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Sat Mar-12-05 02:10 AM
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| 32. The French continued fighting in WWII after the fall of France |
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First of all, not only French troops were facing Hitler when he invaded France. There were about 350,000 British troops, a Belgian Army, Dutch units, and two Polish Divisions. All of them disintegrated before the German Blitzkreig, not just the French. The British fled to Dunkirk and in fact relied on the French First Army to keep the Germans at bay. About 60,000 French troops accompanied the British as they fled across the English channel. In North Africa and in the French colonies, they had garrisons that eventually joined the Free French Army. The French Air Force according to French sources estimate that they shot down about 1,000 German planes during the battle of France. Those were 1,000 planes not available to the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain, which was a close contest. One of the greatest aces of the allies in all of World War II was the Free French pilot Pierre Clostermann, who had a combined killed and probable total of about 50 German planes. Free French pilots in North Africa volunteered to go to Russia and formed the two French squadrons of the Normandie Niemen and shot down approximately 300 German planes fighting as a detachment of the Russian Army. The fighter ace Marcel Albert won the medal "Hero Of The Soviet Union", which is Russia's highest military honor. The Free French fought with the allies in North Africa. The battle of Bir Hakeim involved the stand of regiments of Foreign Legion, French Marines, French Spahis, and other units whereby they held off a superior German force under Rommel for 10 days, under constant bombardment, that allowed the British Army to escape and later win a victory at El Alamein. The Free French forces fought with the allies in the Italian campaign and, while the US was bogged down on the bloody beaches at Anzio, it was the French forces that stormed the mountains above them and broke the Gustav Line, forcing the German army to retreat. There was a French Army fighting at the Battle of the Bulge as well. And when people talk about the fact that the French Army retreated and lost in the Battle of France, they are forgetting that the Soviet Army, which was an even larger force, completely fell apart under German attack. If you compare the distance of retreat, the Soviet Army retreated several times the length of France, in fleeing to the gates of Moscow, and was only saved by the fortuitous arrival of the Siberian Army and the Russian winter.
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| -600.000 French died in WWII, 2-3 million inWW 1. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 01:41 AM |
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Thats what I say |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 01:43 AM |
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The numbers are beyond our comprehension John. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 01:46 AM |
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I know, they were brave as anyone |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 01:49 AM |
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When a guy reads the history of first war,it seems like a slow comedy of |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 01:56 AM |
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Its very hard to imagine realyl and its sad |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 01:59 AM |
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not likely |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:53 AM |
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My bad, but we do at least know in the total war they lost more |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 01:54 AM |
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Their losses in WWI probably exceed our total losses |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:10 AM |
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1 in 3 Frenchmen between 18 and 40 died in WWI |
Kathy in Cambridge |
Mar-12-05 03:28 PM |
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Every cemetery has a marker with names |
uppityperson |
Mar-12-05 07:53 PM |
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REALLY ACCORDING TO SEAN HANNITY |
Quixote1818 |
Mar-12-05 11:06 AM |
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Vive la France! |
CubsFan1982 |
Mar-12-05 01:45 AM |
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I wonder how many French 'cowards' routed the best of Europe's |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:58 AM |
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The only ones calling them cowards.. |
enigmatic |
Mar-12-05 01:45 AM |
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Exactly. Democracy without France is incomprehensible. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 01:49 AM |
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I wouldn't go that far. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:29 AM |
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French Batallion won 3 Presidential Distinguished Unit Citations in Korea |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 01:47 AM |
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France lost 1.5 million in WWI, approx. 2-300,000 in WWII |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:51 AM |
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Incredible numbers. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:00 AM |
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Even more... |
intrepid_wanderer |
Mar-12-05 07:12 AM |
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1500+ |
uppityperson |
Mar-12-05 07:54 PM |
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NO. |
intrepid_wanderer |
Mar-13-05 09:10 AM |
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The French continued fighting in WWII after the fall of France |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 02:10 AM |
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True for the Free French. Not so for the Vichy. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:14 AM |
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The French fleet at Mers El Kebir wasn't officially Vichy |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 02:27 AM |
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That's has been, and likely will be, argued until doomsday. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:32 AM |
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The British couldn't take that chance |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:42 AM |
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Actually, I believe the ships were under Admiral Gensoul |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 02:55 AM |
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I think you are right |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:57 AM |
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no argument here |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:38 AM |
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The Casino defenses actually were not that important |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 02:58 AM |
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WWII |
femmecahors |
Mar-12-05 06:13 AM |
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SS/Charlemagne... |
solinvictus |
Mar-12-05 07:52 PM |
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Many in the French Resistance were Communists |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-13-05 01:15 AM |
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Your WW II numbers are actually a little low. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 01:54 AM |
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De gaulle was a real pain in the ass, frankly |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:58 AM |
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De gaulle was a real pain in the ass, frankly |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:01 AM |
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Sadly, Petain, the most famous Vichy leader |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:06 AM |
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Churchill liked DeGaulle but Roosevelt absolutely hated him |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 02:19 AM |
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De Gaulle was an idol of Nixons |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:20 AM |
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So did I! But no-one listened to me... |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-12-05 04:27 PM |
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anyone who says the French are cowards... |
WindRavenX |
Mar-12-05 01:55 AM |
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Just for the heck of it, try this on for size. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 01:58 AM |
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The USSR lost 27 million in WWII |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:01 AM |
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I deliberately chose the lower, well actually near median estimate |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:05 AM |
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Yeah. I love what the Nazis did with the Ukranians. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:08 AM |
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Hell |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:17 AM |
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Whats sad is you wouldnt know what to do |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:22 AM |
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it is really hard to pick a 'lesser evil' |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:25 AM |
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Thats whats so sad about many things in history |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:26 AM |
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my grandparents joined neither |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:30 AM |
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I am glad for them |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:33 AM |
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These numbers are beyond comprehension. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:03 AM |
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Typical librul carping... |
rooboy |
Mar-12-05 01:59 AM |
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lol, that's something O'Reilly would actually say too n/t |
Anarcho-Socialist |
Mar-12-05 08:54 AM |
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On the whole, I agree, but |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:03 AM |
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They were facists all right. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:07 AM |
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The French SS Divison Charlemagne |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:09 AM |
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Ive read about British SS divisions too interestingly enough |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:10 AM |
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The British 'Division' |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:12 AM |
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Ahh interesting |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:15 AM |
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John,my uncle Tony was with the Canadians on D-Day. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:29 AM |
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Amazing, what beach was that again? |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:29 AM |
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Juno beach. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:34 AM |
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Didnt know that |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:36 AM |
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Canadians were not picked on then |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:45 AM |
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Never be afraid to come back to Canada. |
Darth_Kitten |
Mar-12-05 11:54 AM |
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I'll have to ask my uncle. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:37 AM |
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Well if hes on the american beaches |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:38 AM |
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It was the luck of the draw. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:43 AM |
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I visited all the beaches when I was 9. |
rockymountaindem |
Mar-12-05 10:36 AM |
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Gold and Sword were British beaches |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:47 AM |
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That's me and names. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 10:43 AM |
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They made it to the outskirts of Caen |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:43 AM |
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Its good that Hitler was so bad with his marshals |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:45 AM |
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His hands were tied |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:54 AM |
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Have you ever read about the Spanish Blue Division? |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:15 AM |
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Not squelched very well. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:34 AM |
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Was there an actual American division fighting? |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:38 AM |
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I've read nothing to verify it. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 11:09 AM |
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The Bund was made illegal |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:33 PM |
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There were Swiss,Norwegian,and Ukrainian SS too. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:21 AM |
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Well Tito himself was half Croatian but yes many Croats |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:23 AM |
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The Croatian Ustasha |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:26 AM |
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Ante Pavelic was a bastard |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:29 AM |
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don't forget Sweden |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:28 AM |
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What a black mark on "neutral" Sweden. |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:31 AM |
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Norweigans were on the allies right? |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:34 AM |
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The French fought in Norway, too |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 02:41 AM |
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I had no idea |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:43 AM |
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Swedish Wallenberg was THE Hero of the Holocaust |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:55 AM |
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Why did they do that? |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:56 AM |
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they were nasty fucks |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 03:02 AM |
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They sure were, god I hate Stalin |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 03:05 AM |
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The Finns fought w/ the nazis |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 03:00 AM |
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Didnt the Finns win that war with Russia? |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 03:02 AM |
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No |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 03:03 AM |
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Oh oops |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 03:06 AM |
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And - let's not even get started on the Swiss. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:35 AM |
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True to a point. |
alwynsw |
Mar-12-05 02:12 AM |
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Churchill once |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-12-05 04:40 PM |
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Had some freeper cousin try to tell a joke last thanksgiving, |
Lone Pawn |
Mar-12-05 02:05 AM |
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How does this bullshit spread? |
Swede |
Mar-12-05 02:11 AM |
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Both. And blindly so.... |
Robeson |
Mar-12-05 04:34 AM |
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There are 5500 French soldiers in Afghanistan |
Neo |
Mar-12-05 02:09 AM |
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And they were in Nam before the Yanks |
HEyHEY |
Mar-12-05 02:47 AM |
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While it took the USA 3 years to anti -up against HITLER |
HEyHEY |
Mar-12-05 02:47 AM |
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Stupid America First assholes |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 02:48 AM |
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Watch your tone, buddy. |
Pooka Fey |
Mar-12-05 03:26 PM |
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He means the 1939-1942 period |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 07:34 PM |
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Oh. Thanks for shedding a little light on that heat. |
Pooka Fey |
Mar-13-05 12:50 AM |
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DOn't tell me to watch my tone |
HEyHEY |
Mar-12-05 07:46 PM |
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and didn't do much worse either |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 02:56 AM |
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Actually, the French were fighting in four times the terrority |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 03:24 AM |
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But most of the soldiers weren't actually french |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:45 PM |
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When you say Algerians, you are in part talking about French |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 04:20 PM |
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I am aware of the Pied Noirs |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 07:32 PM |
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And the French were the first to arrive in France on D-Day |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 03:22 AM |
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I thought the first Allied casualty on D-Day was Lt. Brotheridge |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 01:29 PM |
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Its also in Ambrose's D-Day |
JohnKleeb |
Mar-12-05 03:27 PM |
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read "the Longest Day' |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 07:43 PM |
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The French also made a movie called the "Sky Batallion" |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 04:08 PM |
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And the Polish paratroopers |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Mar-12-05 05:12 PM |
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The Polish Para Brigade in Arnhem |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 07:39 PM |
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Don't forget the American and British Paratroopers right behind 'em |
Pooka Fey |
Mar-12-05 03:16 PM |
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Let's not forget Juno |
HEyHEY |
Mar-12-05 07:55 PM |
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The Republicans talking heads are idiots |
imenja |
Mar-12-05 05:31 AM |
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Conservatives Don't Read History |
VogonGlory |
Mar-12-05 08:40 AM |
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But they aren't |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-12-05 04:50 PM |
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What about the French intervention in the War of Independence? |
Anarcho-Socialist |
Mar-12-05 09:00 AM |
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The Americans wouldn't have stood a chance without the French in that war. |
Pooka Fey |
Mar-12-05 03:54 PM |
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The French were right about the WMDs |
Mich Otter |
Mar-12-05 10:09 AM |
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d'accord! |
datasuspect |
Mar-12-05 10:10 AM |
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Consider too, the psychological factors in such staggering losses. |
Aristus |
Mar-12-05 10:48 AM |
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I will be in Paris Thursday, |
tinfoilinfor2005 |
Mar-12-05 11:10 AM |
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And De Gaulle, |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-12-05 04:24 PM |
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De Gaulle was a genius |
Zuni |
Mar-12-05 07:41 PM |
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Spot on, Zuni. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-14-05 03:46 PM |
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9,000 collaborators summarily executed, 40,000 sentenced to |
Neshanic |
Mar-13-05 01:37 AM |
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