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Wed Jan-07-04 01:32 PM
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That this issue wasn't discussed as much during the Clinton Administration? I mean, there were definitely tensions between the gun enthusiasts and people who use their brains, but it seems to me that this issue has been more steady ever since Bush took over. It could just be that I am noticing the argument more now than I have in the past, so I was wondering if anyone else had noticed the same thing.
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| -Why does America have so many gun deaths? |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:35 PM |
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As I saw a comedian say it many years ago... |
Sir_Shrek |
Jan-06-04 02:36 PM |
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are you kidding? George Bush is president, FFS! |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 02:40 PM |
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Disparity of wealth |
StClone |
Jan-06-04 02:56 PM |
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what conclusions? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 02:38 PM |
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Conclusions |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:44 PM |
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Ignorance is the root of all evil..... |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-06-04 02:46 PM |
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ok...did you see the segment about black people? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 02:57 PM |
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It seemed to me that in the last analysis... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:02 PM |
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so what do you think? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:18 PM |
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I think I do... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:28 PM |
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Yup... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:19 PM |
#31 |
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Are you saying that... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:34 PM |
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It depends on the individual pushing for gun control... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:31 PM |
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what's inaccurate about that? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:41 PM |
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Moore argues that... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:45 PM |
#43 |
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again, what's inaccurate about that? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:47 PM |
#44 |
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So are you opposed or in favour? |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:53 PM |
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well, nice of you to change the topic |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:09 PM |
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I don't think he ever said that |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:20 PM |
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mixed ethnicity? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:26 PM |
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The disputed scene |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:34 PM |
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disputed how? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:50 PM |
#79 |
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The simple truth |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:58 PM |
#83 |
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see, you're manufacturing facts |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:23 PM |
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All I'm saying |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:33 PM |
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Why not ask me? |
Character Assassin |
Jan-06-04 04:07 PM |
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I knew what you think years ago |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:10 PM |
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And we can see through yours as well. |
blondeatlast |
Jan-06-04 04:22 PM |
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This should be rich: what stereotypes am I introducing to the discussion? |
Character Assassin |
Jan-06-04 04:24 PM |
#61 |
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I'm a white male gun owner... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:19 PM |
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so why do YOU think there's so much gun violence here in the US |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:27 PM |
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I think it's socio-economic. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:35 PM |
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ok...so who are you talking about? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:53 PM |
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Well, first off... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:19 PM |
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Hear hear! |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:22 PM |
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17-30 year old.....women? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:25 PM |
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You'd be surprised... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:33 PM |
#92 |
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yes I'm sure...so only 17-30 year-old women are using guns improperly? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:45 PM |
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Did I say that? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:48 PM |
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well, upthread I asked you who it was who's doing the undue gun violence |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:09 PM |
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I was talking about all crime in general... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:46 PM |
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so, now it's just youth in gneral |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:48 PM |
#119 |
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Why do I bother? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:53 PM |
#125 |
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You're dodging the question |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:14 PM |
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There's no fixed answer. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 09:49 PM |
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I like black folks just as I like folks in general |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:26 PM |
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who are they? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:28 PM |
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Charles Manson comes to mind |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:30 PM |
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well, he was sick, twisted fuck...I'm talking about TODAY though |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:33 PM |
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He still is a sick, twisted fuck |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:58 PM |
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I'm a white male gun owner with a multiracial family |
alwynsw |
Jan-07-04 01:56 AM |
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Surity of Punishment is lacking |
Racenut20 |
Jan-06-04 02:38 PM |
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People don't die from guns, they die from bullets |
spindoctor |
Jan-06-04 02:45 PM |
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It's those darn 'Matrix' movies....... |
Cannikin |
Jan-06-04 02:47 PM |
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Let's not forget rap music |
spindoctor |
Jan-06-04 02:53 PM |
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I'll rephrase the question... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:49 PM |
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Anybody know where to find the numbers on this? |
spindoctor |
Jan-06-04 03:03 PM |
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Where do I find these "automatic" 9MM pistols? |
Buffler |
Jan-06-04 03:06 PM |
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Pedant |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:08 PM |
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There are a few of them out there... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:10 PM |
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My Theory |
proud patriot |
Jan-06-04 02:46 PM |
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high population |
soundgarden1 |
Jan-06-04 02:48 PM |
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But... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:57 PM |
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Are Suicides included in gun deaths? |
StClone |
Jan-06-04 02:49 PM |
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Suicides not included in FBI stats |
Mudcat |
Jan-06-04 03:29 PM |
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Fear. TV used it for ratings once "news as a public service"... |
Junkdrawer |
Jan-06-04 03:00 PM |
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over drive production of firearms, a strong gun industry that has |
grayrace |
Jan-06-04 03:03 PM |
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It's cultural. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:04 PM |
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Literacy |
Mudcat |
Jan-06-04 03:05 PM |
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I will repeat: IGNORANCE IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL..... |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-06-04 03:09 PM |
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Well... |
Mudcat |
Jan-06-04 03:15 PM |
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Hummm... I don't know if I should hate you beacause |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-06-04 03:17 PM |
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too many crazies w/guns and not enough laws |
corporatewhore |
Jan-06-04 03:16 PM |
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What new laws do we need? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:21 PM |
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Too many guns in the hands of too many people. |
bandera |
Jan-06-04 03:34 PM |
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Glorification |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:38 PM |
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Who's going to register |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 03:41 PM |
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Criminals? |
bandera |
Jan-06-04 03:54 PM |
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You don't have to register to exercise civil rights |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:24 PM |
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So, let's register books, too. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:39 PM |
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how about worrying about gun manufacturers who flood the market |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:55 PM |
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Guns do not behave like gas molecules |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 05:01 PM |
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frankly, more guns means the possibility of more guns in the wrong hands |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:46 PM |
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And Prohibition |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:49 PM |
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who's calling for gun prohibition? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:10 PM |
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The sentiment is the same |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:16 PM |
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what? wait...huh? alcohol is heavily regulated now |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:22 PM |
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I was speaking of Prohibition |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:32 PM |
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you can't just get alcohol anywhere |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:51 PM |
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If guns were treated the way alcohol was |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:59 PM |
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Sure there is... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:49 PM |
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not lately |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:52 PM |
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Well... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:58 PM |
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so why does America have so much more gun violence than anyone else? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:16 PM |
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America does NOT have so much more gun violence than anyone else. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 09:53 PM |
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Didn't Oswald buy the Carcano... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:51 PM |
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I can see the music... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:56 PM |
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then by all means, prohibit it |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:12 PM |
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It's been prohibited.... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-07-04 11:01 AM |
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so, why are people who are using guns improperly getting them? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:14 PM |
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People who use guns improperly get them... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:48 PM |
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oh...so all guns used improperly are attained through the black market? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:50 PM |
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Terwilliger... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 07:00 PM |
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well "felon" is all well and good... |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:17 PM |
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It's also illegal to have a gun while intoxicated in most places. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 09:57 PM |
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Ummm...Bandera....you DO know that criminals are exempt.... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:38 PM |
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Just watch Bowling for Columbine. |
Clark4VotingRights |
Jan-06-04 03:35 PM |
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I thought he said... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 03:39 PM |
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sounds like you don't know what you're talking about |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:49 PM |
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I am of the opinion |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 03:53 PM |
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heh |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:12 PM |
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Typical tactic |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:26 PM |
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True |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:32 PM |
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Ultimately, yes |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:40 PM |
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I think they sold the ammo to minors |
RationalRose |
Jan-06-04 04:14 PM |
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I did watch Bowling For Columbine |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:42 PM |
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Same reason we have so many non-gun deaths |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 03:48 PM |
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Because We Have So Many Guns...... |
CO Liberal |
Jan-06-04 03:49 PM |
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A long tradition that 'real men own guns' |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jan-06-04 04:03 PM |
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And honestly, I think a lot of it -but not all of it-stems from |
RationalRose |
Jan-06-04 04:30 PM |
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My wife owns a bunch of guns. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:41 PM |
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Because we can have guns AND we are fucking crazy. |
jpgray |
Jan-06-04 04:10 PM |
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Because we have a ton of FReepers in this country |
ComerPerro |
Jan-06-04 04:55 PM |
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Because we have so many guns adn so many have been brainwashed |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 05:26 PM |
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There are countries... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:36 PM |
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Which countries? (Industrialized, preferably) |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:05 PM |
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Switzerland for one |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:10 PM |
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uhh...what? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:23 PM |
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Sure do |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:32 PM |
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well, this is great news...Switzerland has many guns and little violence |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:36 PM |
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I will refer to... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:56 PM |
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83 and 86 don't explain who uses guns irresponsibly |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:12 PM |
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Here are some stats |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:21 PM |
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To be considered re: Switzerland |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:34 PM |
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And it is a world |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:37 PM |
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And later the same year (In Switzerland...) or... I don't know. |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:42 PM |
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You can find instances of crime anywhere, |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:49 PM |
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I'm giving valid sources for argument so far. Not opinion. |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:54 PM |
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So now the National Review is mainstream? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 07:02 PM |
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Do you happen to have a source |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:04 PM |
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CDC Figures |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:20 PM |
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Logical fallacy |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:26 PM |
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I don't happen to have that in my library.... |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:54 PM |
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Only educated guesses |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 08:03 PM |
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Are you suggesting... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:55 PM |
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Switzerland's population is roughly 7 million compared to our nearly 3 mil |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:04 PM |
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Wrong. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 07:08 PM |
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Source? Or more opinion? |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:20 PM |
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The Swiss: 27% of homes have firearms. The U.S. 35% |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:31 PM |
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You really need to take a closer look at what you cite |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:34 PM |
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Heh. I'll have to give you that. I misread it. |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:50 PM |
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No problem |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:56 PM |
#154 |
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Getting out of Swiss military service... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 11:53 PM |
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guncite made an error. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 10:39 PM |
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Ah, ok. |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 10:41 PM |
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I think you'll find... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 10:19 PM |
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This is a violent country |
GRClarkesq |
Jan-06-04 05:31 PM |
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Me too! :) |
Shanneee |
Jan-06-04 06:38 PM |
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Have guns, will shoot. |
opihimoimoi |
Jan-06-04 06:38 PM |
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we have way too many bullets. |
leftofthedial |
Jan-06-04 06:54 PM |
#126 |
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all kinds of subthreads and discussions, but no one has given an answer |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:18 PM |
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The answer is... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:29 PM |
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Disagree. Too many guns in the hands of too many incompetents |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:34 PM |
#148 |
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As stated before |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:43 PM |
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One thing I've learned is that with the Gun issue, there's not a lot |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 08:10 PM |
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the war on drugs causes the undue violence? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:46 PM |
#151 |
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I think Mikey's too busy |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:58 PM |
#155 |
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oooo...making money....what a horrible thing! |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 08:04 PM |
#158 |
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Never said it was a horrible thing. |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 08:08 PM |
#159 |
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Michael Moore Didn't Reach A Conlusion... |
K8-EEE |
Jan-06-04 07:59 PM |
#156 |
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Guns make killing easy. |
Buzzz |
Jan-06-04 09:55 PM |
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They also make it easier to defend your life |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 10:21 PM |
#166 |
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Wrong. |
Buzzz |
Jan-06-04 10:52 PM |
#172 |
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If you bothered to read the thread |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 11:01 PM |
#173 |
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English people may not agree |
arewethereyet |
Jan-06-04 11:07 PM |
#174 |
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they don't call it a war on drugs for nothing |
arewethereyet |
Jan-06-04 10:21 PM |
#167 |
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The never-ending War on Drugs |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 10:24 PM |
#168 |
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let um go work on terror insted |
arewethereyet |
Jan-06-04 10:44 PM |
#171 |
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i think it's because we glorify people who |
EV1Ltimm |
Jan-07-04 12:03 PM |
#178 |
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Has anyone noticed |
furrylitldevil |
Jan-07-04 01:32 PM |
#179 |
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actually, there's an old saying... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-07-04 01:59 PM |
#180 |
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good call n/t |
EV1Ltimm |
Jan-07-04 02:42 PM |
#181 |
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