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| 167. they don't call it a war on drugs for nothing |
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and the few non crime related deaths are just because Americans are as free to be stupid as anything else.
legalize drugs and watch violent crime drop like a rock.
I know, makes too much sense
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| -Why does America have so many gun deaths? |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:35 PM |
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As I saw a comedian say it many years ago... |
Sir_Shrek |
Jan-06-04 02:36 PM |
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are you kidding? George Bush is president, FFS! |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 02:40 PM |
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Disparity of wealth |
StClone |
Jan-06-04 02:56 PM |
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what conclusions? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 02:38 PM |
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Conclusions |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:44 PM |
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Ignorance is the root of all evil..... |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-06-04 02:46 PM |
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ok...did you see the segment about black people? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 02:57 PM |
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It seemed to me that in the last analysis... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:02 PM |
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so what do you think? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:18 PM |
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I think I do... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:28 PM |
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Yup... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:19 PM |
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Are you saying that... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:34 PM |
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It depends on the individual pushing for gun control... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:31 PM |
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what's inaccurate about that? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:41 PM |
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Moore argues that... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:45 PM |
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again, what's inaccurate about that? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:47 PM |
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So are you opposed or in favour? |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:53 PM |
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well, nice of you to change the topic |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:09 PM |
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I don't think he ever said that |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:20 PM |
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mixed ethnicity? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:26 PM |
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The disputed scene |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:34 PM |
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disputed how? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:50 PM |
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The simple truth |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:58 PM |
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see, you're manufacturing facts |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:23 PM |
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All I'm saying |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:33 PM |
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Why not ask me? |
Character Assassin |
Jan-06-04 04:07 PM |
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I knew what you think years ago |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:10 PM |
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And we can see through yours as well. |
blondeatlast |
Jan-06-04 04:22 PM |
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This should be rich: what stereotypes am I introducing to the discussion? |
Character Assassin |
Jan-06-04 04:24 PM |
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I'm a white male gun owner... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:19 PM |
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so why do YOU think there's so much gun violence here in the US |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:27 PM |
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I think it's socio-economic. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:35 PM |
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ok...so who are you talking about? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:53 PM |
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Well, first off... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:19 PM |
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Hear hear! |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:22 PM |
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17-30 year old.....women? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:25 PM |
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You'd be surprised... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:33 PM |
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yes I'm sure...so only 17-30 year-old women are using guns improperly? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:45 PM |
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Did I say that? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:48 PM |
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well, upthread I asked you who it was who's doing the undue gun violence |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:09 PM |
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I was talking about all crime in general... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:46 PM |
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so, now it's just youth in gneral |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:48 PM |
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Why do I bother? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:53 PM |
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You're dodging the question |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:14 PM |
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There's no fixed answer. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 09:49 PM |
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I like black folks just as I like folks in general |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:26 PM |
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who are they? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:28 PM |
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Charles Manson comes to mind |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:30 PM |
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well, he was sick, twisted fuck...I'm talking about TODAY though |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:33 PM |
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He still is a sick, twisted fuck |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:58 PM |
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I'm a white male gun owner with a multiracial family |
alwynsw |
Jan-07-04 01:56 AM |
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Surity of Punishment is lacking |
Racenut20 |
Jan-06-04 02:38 PM |
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People don't die from guns, they die from bullets |
spindoctor |
Jan-06-04 02:45 PM |
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It's those darn 'Matrix' movies....... |
Cannikin |
Jan-06-04 02:47 PM |
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Let's not forget rap music |
spindoctor |
Jan-06-04 02:53 PM |
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I'll rephrase the question... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:49 PM |
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Anybody know where to find the numbers on this? |
spindoctor |
Jan-06-04 03:03 PM |
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Where do I find these "automatic" 9MM pistols? |
Buffler |
Jan-06-04 03:06 PM |
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Pedant |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:08 PM |
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There are a few of them out there... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:10 PM |
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My Theory |
proud patriot |
Jan-06-04 02:46 PM |
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high population |
soundgarden1 |
Jan-06-04 02:48 PM |
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But... |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 02:57 PM |
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Are Suicides included in gun deaths? |
StClone |
Jan-06-04 02:49 PM |
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Suicides not included in FBI stats |
Mudcat |
Jan-06-04 03:29 PM |
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Fear. TV used it for ratings once "news as a public service"... |
Junkdrawer |
Jan-06-04 03:00 PM |
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over drive production of firearms, a strong gun industry that has |
grayrace |
Jan-06-04 03:03 PM |
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It's cultural. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:04 PM |
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Literacy |
Mudcat |
Jan-06-04 03:05 PM |
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I will repeat: IGNORANCE IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL..... |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-06-04 03:09 PM |
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Well... |
Mudcat |
Jan-06-04 03:15 PM |
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Hummm... I don't know if I should hate you beacause |
frogfromthenorth2 |
Jan-06-04 03:17 PM |
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too many crazies w/guns and not enough laws |
corporatewhore |
Jan-06-04 03:16 PM |
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What new laws do we need? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 03:21 PM |
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Too many guns in the hands of too many people. |
bandera |
Jan-06-04 03:34 PM |
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Glorification |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:38 PM |
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Who's going to register |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 03:41 PM |
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Criminals? |
bandera |
Jan-06-04 03:54 PM |
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You don't have to register to exercise civil rights |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 04:24 PM |
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So, let's register books, too. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:39 PM |
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how about worrying about gun manufacturers who flood the market |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:55 PM |
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Guns do not behave like gas molecules |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 05:01 PM |
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frankly, more guns means the possibility of more guns in the wrong hands |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 05:46 PM |
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And Prohibition |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:49 PM |
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who's calling for gun prohibition? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:10 PM |
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The sentiment is the same |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:16 PM |
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what? wait...huh? alcohol is heavily regulated now |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:22 PM |
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I was speaking of Prohibition |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:32 PM |
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you can't just get alcohol anywhere |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:51 PM |
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If guns were treated the way alcohol was |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:59 PM |
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Sure there is... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:49 PM |
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not lately |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:52 PM |
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Well... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:58 PM |
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so why does America have so much more gun violence than anyone else? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:16 PM |
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America does NOT have so much more gun violence than anyone else. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 09:53 PM |
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Didn't Oswald buy the Carcano... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:51 PM |
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I can see the music... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 05:56 PM |
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then by all means, prohibit it |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:12 PM |
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It's been prohibited.... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-07-04 11:01 AM |
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so, why are people who are using guns improperly getting them? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:14 PM |
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People who use guns improperly get them... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:48 PM |
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oh...so all guns used improperly are attained through the black market? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:50 PM |
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Terwilliger... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 07:00 PM |
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well "felon" is all well and good... |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:17 PM |
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It's also illegal to have a gun while intoxicated in most places. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 09:57 PM |
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Ummm...Bandera....you DO know that criminals are exempt.... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:38 PM |
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Just watch Bowling for Columbine. |
Clark4VotingRights |
Jan-06-04 03:35 PM |
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I thought he said... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 03:39 PM |
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sounds like you don't know what you're talking about |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 03:49 PM |
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I am of the opinion |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 03:53 PM |
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heh |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:12 PM |
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Typical tactic |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:26 PM |
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True |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 04:32 PM |
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Ultimately, yes |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 04:40 PM |
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I think they sold the ammo to minors |
RationalRose |
Jan-06-04 04:14 PM |
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I did watch Bowling For Columbine |
Damndifino |
Jan-06-04 03:42 PM |
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Same reason we have so many non-gun deaths |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-04 03:48 PM |
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Because We Have So Many Guns...... |
CO Liberal |
Jan-06-04 03:49 PM |
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A long tradition that 'real men own guns' |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jan-06-04 04:03 PM |
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And honestly, I think a lot of it -but not all of it-stems from |
RationalRose |
Jan-06-04 04:30 PM |
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My wife owns a bunch of guns. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 04:41 PM |
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Because we can have guns AND we are fucking crazy. |
jpgray |
Jan-06-04 04:10 PM |
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Because we have a ton of FReepers in this country |
ComerPerro |
Jan-06-04 04:55 PM |
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Because we have so many guns adn so many have been brainwashed |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 05:26 PM |
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There are countries... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 05:36 PM |
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Which countries? (Industrialized, preferably) |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:05 PM |
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Switzerland for one |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:10 PM |
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uhh...what? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:23 PM |
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Sure do |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:32 PM |
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well, this is great news...Switzerland has many guns and little violence |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 06:36 PM |
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I will refer to... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:56 PM |
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83 and 86 don't explain who uses guns irresponsibly |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:12 PM |
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Here are some stats |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:21 PM |
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To be considered re: Switzerland |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:34 PM |
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And it is a world |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:37 PM |
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And later the same year (In Switzerland...) or... I don't know. |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:42 PM |
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You can find instances of crime anywhere, |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 06:49 PM |
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I'm giving valid sources for argument so far. Not opinion. |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 06:54 PM |
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So now the National Review is mainstream? |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 07:02 PM |
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Do you happen to have a source |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:04 PM |
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CDC Figures |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:20 PM |
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Logical fallacy |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:26 PM |
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I don't happen to have that in my library.... |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:54 PM |
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Only educated guesses |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 08:03 PM |
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Are you suggesting... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 06:55 PM |
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Switzerland's population is roughly 7 million compared to our nearly 3 mil |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:04 PM |
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Wrong. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 07:08 PM |
#136 |
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Source? Or more opinion? |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:20 PM |
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The Swiss: 27% of homes have firearms. The U.S. 35% |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:31 PM |
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You really need to take a closer look at what you cite |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:34 PM |
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Heh. I'll have to give you that. I misread it. |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:50 PM |
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No problem |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:56 PM |
#154 |
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Getting out of Swiss military service... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 11:53 PM |
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guncite made an error. |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 10:39 PM |
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Ah, ok. |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 10:41 PM |
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I think you'll find... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-06-04 10:19 PM |
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This is a violent country |
GRClarkesq |
Jan-06-04 05:31 PM |
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Me too! :) |
Shanneee |
Jan-06-04 06:38 PM |
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Have guns, will shoot. |
opihimoimoi |
Jan-06-04 06:38 PM |
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we have way too many bullets. |
leftofthedial |
Jan-06-04 06:54 PM |
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all kinds of subthreads and discussions, but no one has given an answer |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:18 PM |
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The answer is... |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:29 PM |
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Disagree. Too many guns in the hands of too many incompetents |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 07:34 PM |
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As stated before |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:43 PM |
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One thing I've learned is that with the Gun issue, there's not a lot |
Billy_Pilgrim |
Jan-06-04 08:10 PM |
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the war on drugs causes the undue violence? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 07:46 PM |
#151 |
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I think Mikey's too busy |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 07:58 PM |
#155 |
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oooo...making money....what a horrible thing! |
Terwilliger |
Jan-06-04 08:04 PM |
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Never said it was a horrible thing. |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 08:08 PM |
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Michael Moore Didn't Reach A Conlusion... |
K8-EEE |
Jan-06-04 07:59 PM |
#156 |
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Guns make killing easy. |
Buzzz |
Jan-06-04 09:55 PM |
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They also make it easier to defend your life |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 10:21 PM |
#166 |
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Wrong. |
Buzzz |
Jan-06-04 10:52 PM |
#172 |
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If you bothered to read the thread |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 11:01 PM |
#173 |
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English people may not agree |
arewethereyet |
Jan-06-04 11:07 PM |
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they don't call it a war on drugs for nothing |
arewethereyet |
Jan-06-04 10:21 PM |
#167 |
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The never-ending War on Drugs |
Columbia |
Jan-06-04 10:24 PM |
#168 |
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let um go work on terror insted |
arewethereyet |
Jan-06-04 10:44 PM |
#171 |
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i think it's because we glorify people who |
EV1Ltimm |
Jan-07-04 12:03 PM |
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Has anyone noticed |
furrylitldevil |
Jan-07-04 01:32 PM |
#179 |
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actually, there's an old saying... |
DoNotRefill |
Jan-07-04 01:59 PM |
#180 |
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good call n/t |
EV1Ltimm |
Jan-07-04 02:42 PM |
#181 |
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