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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:38 PM
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2. what conclusions?
He pointed out the problems brought on by our culture of fear.

I think there are a lot of firearm deaths because guns are encouraged as a tool by so many people, and glorified by so many.
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  -Why does America have so many gun deaths? Damndifino  Jan-06-04 02:35 PM   #0 
  - As I saw a comedian say it many years ago...  Sir_Shrek   Jan-06-04 02:36 PM   #1 
  - are you kidding? George Bush is president, FFS!  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 02:40 PM   #4 
     - Disparity of wealth  StClone   Jan-06-04 02:56 PM   #14 
  - what conclusions?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 02:38 PM   #2 
  - Conclusions  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 02:44 PM   #5 
     - Ignorance is the root of all evil.....  frogfromthenorth2   Jan-06-04 02:46 PM   #8 
     - ok...did you see the segment about black people?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 02:57 PM   #16 
        - It seemed to me that in the last analysis...  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:02 PM   #18 
        - so what do you think?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 03:18 PM   #30 
           - I think I do...  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:28 PM   #33 
        - Yup...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 03:19 PM   #31 
           - Are you saying that...  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:34 PM   #36 
           - It depends on the individual pushing for gun control...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 04:31 PM   #70 
           - what's inaccurate about that?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 03:41 PM   #40 
              - Moore argues that...  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:45 PM   #43 
                 - again, what's inaccurate about that?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 03:47 PM   #44 
                    - So are you opposed or in favour?  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:53 PM   #48 
                    - well, nice of you to change the topic  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:09 PM   #53 
                       - I don't think he ever said that  Columbia   Jan-06-04 04:20 PM   #59 
                          - mixed ethnicity?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:26 PM   #63 
                             - The disputed scene  Columbia   Jan-06-04 04:34 PM   #73 
                                - disputed how?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:50 PM   #79 
                                   - The simple truth  Columbia   Jan-06-04 04:58 PM   #83 
                                      - see, you're manufacturing facts  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 05:23 PM   #88 
                                         - All I'm saying  Columbia   Jan-06-04 05:33 PM   # 
                    - Why not ask me?  Character Assassin   Jan-06-04 04:07 PM   #52 
                    - I knew what you think years ago  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:10 PM   #55 
                    - And we can see through yours as well.  blondeatlast   Jan-06-04 04:22 PM   #60 
                       - This should be rich: what stereotypes am I introducing to the discussion?  Character Assassin   Jan-06-04 04:24 PM   #61 
                    - I'm a white male gun owner...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 04:19 PM   #58 
                    - so why do YOU think there's so much gun violence here in the US  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:27 PM   #66 
                       - I think it's socio-economic.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 04:35 PM   #74 
                          - ok...so who are you talking about?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:53 PM   #80 
                             - Well, first off...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 05:19 PM   #86 
                                - Hear hear!  Columbia   Jan-06-04 05:22 PM   #87 
                                - 17-30 year old.....women?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 05:25 PM   #89 
                                   - You'd be surprised...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 05:33 PM   #92 
                                      - yes I'm sure...so only 17-30 year-old women are using guns improperly?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 05:45 PM   #94 
                                         - Did I say that?  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 05:48 PM   #96 
                                            - well, upthread I asked you who it was who's doing the undue gun violence  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:09 PM   #101 
                                               - I was talking about all crime in general...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 06:46 PM   #117 
                                                  - so, now it's just youth in gneral  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:48 PM   #119 
                                                  - Why do I bother?  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 06:53 PM   #125 
                                                  - You're dodging the question  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 07:14 PM   #138 
                                                  - There's no fixed answer.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 09:49 PM   #161 
                    - I like black folks just as I like folks in general  slackmaster   Jan-06-04 04:26 PM   #65 
                    - who are they?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:28 PM   #67 
                       - Charles Manson comes to mind  slackmaster   Jan-06-04 04:30 PM   #68 
                          - well, he was sick, twisted fuck...I'm talking about TODAY though  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:33 PM   #72 
                             - He still is a sick, twisted fuck  slackmaster   Jan-06-04 04:58 PM   #84 
                    - I'm a white male gun owner with a multiracial family  alwynsw   Jan-07-04 01:56 AM   #176 
  - Surity of Punishment is lacking  Racenut20   Jan-06-04 02:38 PM   #3 
  - People don't die from guns, they die from bullets  spindoctor   Jan-06-04 02:45 PM   #6 
  - It's those darn 'Matrix' movies.......  Cannikin   Jan-06-04 02:47 PM   #9 
  - Let's not forget rap music  spindoctor   Jan-06-04 02:53 PM   #13 
  - I'll rephrase the question...  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 02:49 PM   #11 
     - Anybody know where to find the numbers on this?  spindoctor   Jan-06-04 03:03 PM   #20 
     - Where do I find these "automatic" 9MM pistols?  Buffler   Jan-06-04 03:06 PM   #23 
        - Pedant  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:08 PM   #24 
        - There are a few of them out there...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 03:10 PM   #26 
  - My Theory  proud patriot   Jan-06-04 02:46 PM   #7 
  - high population  soundgarden1   Jan-06-04 02:48 PM   #10 
  - But...  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 02:57 PM   #15 
  - Are Suicides included in gun deaths?  StClone   Jan-06-04 02:49 PM   #12 
  - Suicides not included in FBI stats  Mudcat   Jan-06-04 03:29 PM   #34 
  - Fear. TV used it for ratings once "news as a public service"...  Junkdrawer   Jan-06-04 03:00 PM   #17 
  - over drive production of firearms, a strong gun industry that has  grayrace   Jan-06-04 03:03 PM   #19 
  - It's cultural.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 03:04 PM   #21 
  - Literacy  Mudcat   Jan-06-04 03:05 PM   #22 
  - I will repeat: IGNORANCE IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.....  frogfromthenorth2   Jan-06-04 03:09 PM   #25 
     - Well...  Mudcat   Jan-06-04 03:15 PM   #27 
        - Hummm... I don't know if I should hate you beacause  frogfromthenorth2   Jan-06-04 03:17 PM   #29 
  - too many crazies w/guns and not enough laws  corporatewhore   Jan-06-04 03:16 PM   #28 
  - What new laws do we need?  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 03:21 PM   #32 
  - Too many guns in the hands of too many people.  bandera   Jan-06-04 03:34 PM   #35 
  - Glorification  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:38 PM   #38 
  - Who's going to register  Columbia   Jan-06-04 03:41 PM   #41 
  - Criminals?  bandera   Jan-06-04 03:54 PM   #50 
  - You don't have to register to exercise civil rights  slackmaster   Jan-06-04 04:24 PM   #62 
  - So, let's register books, too.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 04:39 PM   #76 
  - how about worrying about gun manufacturers who flood the market  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:55 PM   #82 
     - Guns do not behave like gas molecules  slackmaster   Jan-06-04 05:01 PM   #85 
        - frankly, more guns means the possibility of more guns in the wrong hands  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 05:46 PM   #95 
           - And Prohibition  Columbia   Jan-06-04 05:49 PM   #97 
           - who's calling for gun prohibition?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:10 PM   #103 
              - The sentiment is the same  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:16 PM   #106 
                 - what? wait...huh? alcohol is heavily regulated now  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:22 PM   #107 
                    - I was speaking of Prohibition  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:32 PM   #110 
                    - you can't just get alcohol anywhere  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:51 PM   #123 
                       - If guns were treated the way alcohol was  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:59 PM   #131 
                    - Sure there is...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 06:49 PM   #120 
                       - not lately  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:52 PM   #124 
                          - Well...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 06:58 PM   #130 
                             - so why does America have so much more gun violence than anyone else?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 07:16 PM   #139 
                                - America does NOT have so much more gun violence than anyone else.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 09:53 PM   #162 
           - Didn't Oswald buy the Carcano...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 05:51 PM   #98 
              - I can see the music...  Columbia   Jan-06-04 05:56 PM   #99 
              - then by all means, prohibit it  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:12 PM   #104 
              - It's been prohibited....  DoNotRefill   Jan-07-04 11:01 AM   #177 
              - so, why are people who are using guns improperly getting them?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:14 PM   #105 
                 - People who use guns improperly get them...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 06:48 PM   #118 
                    - oh...so all guns used improperly are attained through the black market?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:50 PM   #122 
                       - Terwilliger...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 07:00 PM   #132 
                          - well "felon" is all well and good...  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 07:17 PM   #140 
                             - It's also illegal to have a gun while intoxicated in most places.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 09:57 PM   #164 
  - Ummm...Bandera....you DO know that criminals are exempt....  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 04:38 PM   #75 
  - Just watch Bowling for Columbine.  Clark4VotingRights   Jan-06-04 03:35 PM   #37 
  - I thought he said...  Columbia   Jan-06-04 03:39 PM   #39 
  - sounds like you don't know what you're talking about  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 03:49 PM   #46 
     - I am of the opinion  Columbia   Jan-06-04 03:53 PM   #49 
        - heh  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:12 PM   #56 
        - Typical tactic  Columbia   Jan-06-04 04:26 PM   #64 
           - True  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 04:32 PM   #71 
              - Ultimately, yes  Columbia   Jan-06-04 04:40 PM   #77 
        - I think they sold the ammo to minors  RationalRose   Jan-06-04 04:14 PM   #57 
  - I did watch Bowling For Columbine  Damndifino   Jan-06-04 03:42 PM   #42 
  - Same reason we have so many non-gun deaths  slackmaster   Jan-06-04 03:48 PM   #45 
  - Because We Have So Many Guns......  CO Liberal   Jan-06-04 03:49 PM   #47 
  - A long tradition that 'real men own guns'  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-06-04 04:03 PM   #51 
  - And honestly, I think a lot of it -but not all of it-stems from  RationalRose   Jan-06-04 04:30 PM   #69 
     - My wife owns a bunch of guns.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 04:41 PM   #78 
  - Because we can have guns AND we are fucking crazy.  jpgray   Jan-06-04 04:10 PM   #54 
  - Because we have a ton of FReepers in this country  ComerPerro   Jan-06-04 04:55 PM   #81 
  - Because we have so many guns adn so many have been brainwashed  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 05:26 PM   #90 
  - There are countries...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 05:36 PM   #93 
     - Which countries? (Industrialized, preferably)  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 06:05 PM   #100 
        - Switzerland for one  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:10 PM   #102 
           - uhh...what?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:23 PM   #108 
           - Sure do  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:32 PM   #109 
              - well, this is great news...Switzerland has many guns and little violence  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 06:36 PM   #112 
                 - I will refer to...  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:56 PM   #129 
                    - 83 and 86 don't explain who uses guns irresponsibly  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 07:12 PM   #137 
                       - Here are some stats  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:21 PM   #144 
           - To be considered re: Switzerland  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 06:34 PM   #111 
              - And it is a world  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:37 PM   #113 
                 - And later the same year (In Switzerland...) or... I don't know.  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 06:42 PM   #116 
                    - You can find instances of crime anywhere,  Columbia   Jan-06-04 06:49 PM   #121 
                    - I'm giving valid sources for argument so far. Not opinion.  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 06:54 PM   #127 
                       - So now the National Review is mainstream?  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 07:02 PM   #133 
                       - Do you happen to have a source  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:04 PM   #135 
                          - CDC Figures  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:20 PM   #142 
                             - Logical fallacy  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:26 PM   #145 
                                - I don't happen to have that in my library....  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:54 PM   #153 
                                   - Only educated guesses  Columbia   Jan-06-04 08:03 PM   #157 
                    - Are you suggesting...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 06:55 PM   #128 
                       - Switzerland's population is roughly 7 million compared to our nearly 3 mil  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:04 PM   #134 
                          - Wrong.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 07:08 PM   #136 
                             - Source? Or more opinion?  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:20 PM   #143 
                             - The Swiss: 27% of homes have firearms. The U.S. 35%  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:31 PM   #147 
                                - You really need to take a closer look at what you cite  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:34 PM   #149 
                                - Heh. I'll have to give you that. I misread it.  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:50 PM   #152 
                                   - No problem  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:56 PM   #154 
                                   - Getting out of Swiss military service...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 11:53 PM   #175 
                                   - guncite made an error.  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 10:39 PM   #169 
                                      - Ah, ok.  Columbia   Jan-06-04 10:41 PM   #170 
                                - I think you'll find...  DoNotRefill   Jan-06-04 10:19 PM   #165 
  - This is a violent country  GRClarkesq   Jan-06-04 05:31 PM   #91 
  - Me too! :)  Shanneee   Jan-06-04 06:38 PM   #114 
  - Have guns, will shoot.  opihimoimoi   Jan-06-04 06:38 PM   #115 
  - we have way too many bullets.  leftofthedial   Jan-06-04 06:54 PM   #126 
  - all kinds of subthreads and discussions, but no one has given an answer  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 07:18 PM   #141 
  - The answer is...  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:29 PM   #146 
     - Disagree. Too many guns in the hands of too many incompetents  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 07:34 PM   #148 
     - As stated before  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:43 PM   #150 
        - One thing I've learned is that with the Gun issue, there's not a lot  Billy_Pilgrim   Jan-06-04 08:10 PM   #160 
     - the war on drugs causes the undue violence?  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 07:46 PM   #151 
        - I think Mikey's too busy  Columbia   Jan-06-04 07:58 PM   #155 
           - oooo...making money....what a horrible thing!  Terwilliger   Jan-06-04 08:04 PM   #158 
              - Never said it was a horrible thing.  Columbia   Jan-06-04 08:08 PM   #159 
  - Michael Moore Didn't Reach A Conlusion...  K8-EEE   Jan-06-04 07:59 PM   #156 
  - Guns make killing easy.  Buzzz   Jan-06-04 09:55 PM   #163 
  - They also make it easier to defend your life  Columbia   Jan-06-04 10:21 PM   #166 
     - Wrong.  Buzzz   Jan-06-04 10:52 PM   #172 
        - If you bothered to read the thread  Columbia   Jan-06-04 11:01 PM   #173 
        - English people may not agree  arewethereyet   Jan-06-04 11:07 PM   #174 
  - they don't call it a war on drugs for nothing  arewethereyet   Jan-06-04 10:21 PM   #167 
  - The never-ending War on Drugs  Columbia   Jan-06-04 10:24 PM   #168 
     - let um go work on terror insted  arewethereyet   Jan-06-04 10:44 PM   #171 
  - i think it's because we glorify people who  EV1Ltimm   Jan-07-04 12:03 PM   #178 
     - Has anyone noticed  furrylitldevil   Jan-07-04 01:32 PM   #179 
     - actually, there's an old saying...  DoNotRefill   Jan-07-04 01:59 PM   #180 
        - good call n/t  EV1Ltimm   Jan-07-04 02:42 PM   #181 
 

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