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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 11:21 PM
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53. Nothing sanctimonious or arrogant about it. Definitely not self absorbed.
Edited on Mon Dec-22-03 11:24 PM by alwynsw
If you read my post carefully, you surely would have noticed that I expressly qualified my statement with "Barring physical or mental disability, poverty is a choice in this country. Crime is also a choice." As you point out, I could also have added a few other scenarios as you describe.

I am truly sorry that you missed my point. I stand by it. I could have written a lengthy disclaimer that catalogues every imaginable circumstance that can cause either poverty from the onset or financial disasters that drive some into poverty. Perhaps it was my oversight in attempting to succintly offer reasons for poverty that caused you to think me heartless.

on edit: If I were truly sanctimonious, would "I'm nothing special. I'm no genius." have been written into my post? I truly believe that. I'm an average guy. No more.
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  -Voting rights for felons. Eric J in MN  Dec-22-03 06:48 PM   #0 
  - kick  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 08:14 PM   #1 
  - What is the law in your state? Click here.  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 11:24 PM   #56 
  - Don't know about the one year thing, felons are already defined  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 08:17 PM   #2 
  - What is it's a non-violent offense? The person should  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 08:30 PM   #4 
  - if its a felony, no  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 08:49 PM   #5 
  - He does have a point though...  pengpong   Dec-22-03 11:53 PM   #61 
  - Non-violent offense - I have two words to say to that - no, four words  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 09:51 PM   #21 
     - CEO crooks are the tiniest percentage of convicts.  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 10:17 PM   #32 
     - yes, thats true  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 10:21 PM   #34 
     - The poor are the largest Precent..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:29 PM   #38 
        - yep, lawyers  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 10:44 PM   #43 
           - Poor people get public defenders..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:54 PM   #45 
              - yes they do, not the same thing (understatement of the year)  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 11:08 PM   #50 
     - thats why felonies are bad things  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 10:19 PM   #33 
  - Are you saying that they should never be part of civil society?  Nikia   Dec-22-03 09:21 PM   #11 
  - not at all  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 09:37 PM   #13 
     - Id disagree..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 09:42 PM   #16 
     - I respect your view  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 09:50 PM   #19 
     - Its not the rules so much as the way they are enforced.  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 09:57 PM   #24 
        - I can't argue that this system is deeply flawed  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 10:03 PM   #26 
     - I believe that you're off on this one  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 10:07 PM   #28 
        - When the choice is between going hungery and steeling a a lof of bread..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:12 PM   #29 
        - Please avoid the personal slams.  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 10:21 PM   #35 
           - I didnt make a personal slam.  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:33 PM   #39 
              - No problem  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 10:42 PM   #42 
                 - Sorry..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:45 PM   #44 
                    - You're moving up!  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 11:10 PM   #51 
        - way to go !  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 10:17 PM   #31 
        - I didnt say All crimes..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:27 PM   #37 
           - I agree in principle  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 10:37 PM   #40 
              - Ya..Ive done it..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:42 PM   #41 
                 - It stinks, but it beats stealing  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 10:55 PM   #46 
                    - I think if you were at that point..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 11:01 PM   #48 
        - oh, for crying out loud  southerngirlwriter   Dec-22-03 11:04 PM   #49 
           - Nothing sanctimonious or arrogant about it. Definitely not self absorbed.  alwynsw   Dec-22-03 11:21 PM   #53 
     - It should be wiped clean  WildThang   Dec-22-03 11:21 PM   #54 
        - Records and registrations are for Nazis  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 11:48 PM   #59 
  - I agree...if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.  SaidFred   Dec-22-03 11:32 PM   #57 
     - there is somthing to be said for that as well.  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 11:45 PM   #58 
  - do the crime, do the time, that's it.  ButterflyBlood   Dec-22-03 08:19 PM   #3 
  - I agree.  Devlzown   Dec-22-03 08:54 PM   #6 
  - Once they have done their full sentence,  mandyky   Dec-22-03 08:56 PM   #7 
  - Where I am from, they can vote even when they serve LIFE in prison...  frogfromthenorth2   Dec-22-03 09:02 PM   #8 
  - They should vote after serving their sentence  Nikia   Dec-22-03 09:16 PM   #9 
  - There is no laws on the Books that say Felons cant vote..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 09:17 PM   #10 
  - there are laws on Virginia's books and 6(?) other states as well  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 09:39 PM   #14 
     - Then this is something new..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 09:45 PM   #17 
        - these laws are very old ones, not new  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 09:56 PM   #23 
           - I havent been out side the state of Oregon sence I was 15..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:01 PM   #25 
  - The democrats wouldnt champion this cause anyway..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 09:24 PM   #12 
  - oh no,not so  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 09:40 PM   #15 
     - I find that hard to beleave..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 09:48 PM   #18 
        - I don't disagree with the concept but the facts say otherwise  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 09:53 PM   #22 
           - That would explain my ignorance of this law..  wanderingbear   Dec-22-03 10:04 PM   #27 
              - thats entirely possible  arewethereyet   Dec-22-03 10:23 PM   #36 
  - Most states restore your voting rights upon release from prison.  BiggJawn   Dec-22-03 09:51 PM   #20 
  - Florida is one of the states which says felons can't vote unless  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 10:15 PM   #30 
  - If felons can get Bush defeated  Fescue4u   Dec-22-03 10:56 PM   #47 
  - Absolutely. If every felon could vote after doing the time, it would  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 11:11 PM   #52 
     - Yes,...  pengpong   Dec-22-03 11:56 PM   #62 
  - So I wonder ...  GregW   Dec-22-03 11:23 PM   #55 
  - Different situation.  Eric J in MN   Dec-22-03 11:50 PM   #60 
     - Why not???  wanderingbear   Dec-23-03 12:07 AM   #63 
        - Different for felons to design voting machines than to just to vote nt  Eric J in MN   Dec-23-03 12:18 AM   #64 
           - Again Why??  wanderingbear   Dec-23-03 12:28 AM   #65 
              - the potential damage is different  Eric J in MN   Dec-23-03 10:45 PM   #71 
  - If they've paid their dues, why not?  kimchi   Dec-23-03 01:20 AM   #66 
  - I know the law in IL is this:  Padraig18   Dec-23-03 05:32 AM   #67 
  - Just a thought...  LeahMira   Dec-23-03 06:45 AM   #68 
  - Focus on preventing abuse  JHB   Dec-23-03 07:28 AM   #69 
  - Even in Texas  Bridget Burke   Dec-23-03 08:14 AM   #70 

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