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sid dicious Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:49 PM
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74. I like what you're saying and that's the sort of thing that
makes me feel good.

I think that the majority of professions are noble and of value...maybe not of value forever (like telephone operators) but they definitely have a place in our society.

However, a job like janitor is something that can be learned easily usually. Not the maintenance man running the sprinkler systems, mowing the lawn, coordinating repairs with contractors...that is a skilled position that would require an AA degree in many cases and not everyone can do it.

A janitor might need to know about chemicals, but not necessarily. It is a low skilled position that will be paid less. Than the maintenance superindendant.

Women are still getting paid less, but I definitely know that it's not in all cases and all industries (no I'm not talking adult-films :).

As for the woman with big boobs getting more tips. That's something that I would feel wrong about controlling. But I think it's also wrong to tip someone purely because they're good looking. Especially when service is the main priority (unless you're in a strip club).

It's just not that easy for me. I like some things about our capitalist society and others seem unfair. But at what cost do we make it fair? And will that necessarily make it fair?

What do the Europeans do about this sort of stuff?
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  -Why should people making $15,000 and less dsc  Dec-20-03 12:00 AM   #0 
  - Social Security should be uncapped.  Cleita   Dec-20-03 12:18 AM   #1 
  - I have no problem removing the cap  dsc   Dec-20-03 12:32 AM   #7 
  - It's already means tested.  Cleita   Dec-20-03 12:37 AM   #9 
     - But the formula is very progressive  Yupster   Dec-20-03 01:26 AM   #15 
  - Amen  pasadenaboy   Dec-20-03 04:52 PM   #72 
  - it is far worse then you suggest  stevebreeze   Dec-20-03 12:21 AM   #2 
  - Only "earned" income is taxed for Soc. Sec and Medicare  SharonAnn   Dec-20-03 12:43 PM   #43 
  - Remove the cap on social security earnings...  gmoney   Dec-20-03 12:21 AM   #3 
  - Clinton may not have given the middle class as big a tax break as he...  AP   Dec-20-03 12:24 AM   #4 
  - He gave them no tax cut at all  dsc   Dec-20-03 12:26 AM   #5 
  - Where do you get those numbers?  AP   Dec-20-03 10:43 AM   #33 
     - He didn't lower any tax rates other than increasing the EIC  dsc   Dec-20-03 03:30 PM   #53 
        - What were the tax rates and brackets before Clinton's big tax bill?  AP   Dec-21-03 12:33 AM   #75 
           - He raised the top bracket  dsc   Dec-21-03 01:35 AM   #76 
              - By making the code more progressive, and making people  AP   Dec-21-03 02:03 AM   #77 
  - Clinton's intentions may have been good, but the results . . .  NavajoRug   Dec-20-03 03:19 PM   #50 
  - Two solutions  Yupster   Dec-20-03 12:30 AM   #6 
  - The problem with number two  dsc   Dec-20-03 12:33 AM   #8 
  - and how bout what's happening to health care?  buycitgo   Dec-20-03 12:42 AM   #11 
  - Very true  dsc   Dec-20-03 12:46 AM   #12 
     - And the thinking is that  Yupster   Dec-20-03 01:23 AM   #14 
        - not all teachers do actually  dsc   Dec-20-03 01:58 AM   #20 
           - What state teacher retirement plan  Yupster   Dec-20-03 02:03 AM   #24 
              - In many states, you have to teach a certain number of years  revcarol   Dec-20-03 07:45 AM   #30 
              - My dad  dsc   Dec-20-03 10:48 AM   #35 
  - If social security is such an "inferior pension", then  Yupster   Dec-20-03 01:18 AM   #13 
     - why are we defending it for everyone else?  buycitgo   Dec-20-03 01:35 AM   #16 
     - I don't begrudge anyone a better plan  Yupster   Dec-20-03 01:59 AM   #21 
     - because teachers make a deal  dsc   Dec-20-03 01:48 AM   #17 
        - Are there other professions  Yupster   Dec-20-03 01:52 AM   #18 
           - Ohio  dsc   Dec-20-03 01:57 AM   #19 
           - I know of no other  dsc   Dec-20-03 02:00 AM   #22 
           - So you really do think that teachers deserve  Yupster   Dec-20-03 02:12 AM   #25 
              - It has nothing to do with intellect  dsc   Dec-20-03 10:56 AM   #38 
                 - Yeah  Yupster   Dec-20-03 03:57 PM   #62 
           - I'm in Illinois and pay 9% to the IL Teacher Ret System ($7116)  alcuno   Dec-20-03 01:05 PM   #45 
  - Please help with a question I have...  kaybea   Dec-20-03 06:58 AM   #29 
     - If your state retirement system existed before  dsc   Dec-20-03 10:52 AM   #36 
     - Thanks for the reply.  kaybea   Dec-20-03 06:43 PM   #73 
     - In Texas  Yupster   Dec-20-03 03:43 PM   #57 
  - excellent thread.......excellent, point-on responses  buycitgo   Dec-20-03 12:38 AM   #10 
  - Earned Income Credit  sandnsea   Dec-20-03 02:02 AM   #23 
  - no cap on medicare premiums though  Yupster   Dec-20-03 02:18 AM   #26 
  - actually only people with children  dsc   Dec-20-03 10:54 AM   #37 
     - 25 to 65  sandnsea   Dec-20-03 12:03 PM   #39 
        - When I did my taxes  dsc   Dec-20-03 12:37 PM   #41 
  - Kucinich has the answer, as ususal  eridani   Dec-20-03 02:46 AM   #27 
  - Yep. he has great plans  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-20-03 10:47 AM   #34 
  - In Florida  KayLaw   Dec-20-03 06:21 AM   #28 
  - The poorer you are the better SSI is for you...  PSR40004   Dec-20-03 07:46 AM   #31 
  - Yep, like the WSJ wrote, they're just a big ol' brace of "lucky duckies" .  coda   Dec-20-03 07:59 AM   #32 
  - Yes, a $450 retirement check is lucky lucky lucky n/t  sandnsea   Dec-20-03 12:04 PM   #40 
  - You're RIGHT!  BiggJawn   Dec-20-03 12:42 PM   #42 
  - Unless if you die before age 62  Yupster   Dec-20-03 03:45 PM   #58 
  - Why  Aconymous   Dec-20-03 12:51 PM   #44 
  - That's what a progressive tax system does.  alcuno   Dec-20-03 02:11 PM   #46 
     - A flat tax can work, but it needs a high floor  Muddleoftheroad   Dec-20-03 02:40 PM   #47 
     - Is that $30,000 for one person or a family of five?  alcuno   Dec-20-03 03:05 PM   #48 
        - Per adult earner  Muddleoftheroad   Dec-20-03 03:21 PM   #51 
           - So the person supporting 1 pays the same tax as the person  alcuno   Dec-20-03 03:36 PM   #55 
              - Not necessarily . . .  NavajoRug   Dec-20-03 03:46 PM   #60 
     - I don't think this is how the flat tax is supposed to work . . .  NavajoRug   Dec-20-03 03:25 PM   #52 
  - Not having looked at other threads  sid dicious   Dec-20-03 03:09 PM   #49 
  - Why should someone with no skills, no experience and  Cleita   Dec-20-03 03:33 PM   #54 
  - But seriously, do you have a answer to my question?  sid dicious   Dec-20-03 03:45 PM   #59 
  - Many people with education and skills are not adequately  Cleita   Dec-20-03 04:04 PM   #64 
  - I like what you're saying and that's the sort of thing that  sid dicious   Dec-20-03 08:49 PM   #74 
  - Probably so that I don't trip over them when I walk down the street.  alcuno   Dec-20-03 03:40 PM   #56 
  - Is he entitled I dunno.  sid dicious   Dec-20-03 03:53 PM   #61 
     - I'm not talking about illegal workers, I'm talking US citizens.  alcuno   Dec-20-03 04:12 PM   #66 
        - Good Point  sid dicious   Dec-20-03 04:24 PM   #69 
           - No, I don't think you are entitled to pay to maintain your lifestyle.  alcuno   Dec-20-03 04:44 PM   #70 
              - What happened to our country since the 70s to make earning  cirej2000   Dec-20-03 04:49 PM   #71 
  - Well you might want to spend some time reading the posts...  cirej2000   Dec-20-03 04:05 PM   #65 
  - Poor people shouldnt have to pay taxes at all..  wanderingbear   Dec-20-03 04:01 PM   #63 
     - Welcome to DU, wanderingbear.  alcuno   Dec-20-03 04:13 PM   #67 
     - You're so right.  Cleita   Dec-20-03 04:20 PM   #68 

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