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Wed Dec-17-03 05:59 AM
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says in "Class" that American blue collar workers are on the whole at heart communists in Marx's sense of the word, but as a group they refuse to accept such labels or consider them.
One or another theorist I have looked at doesn't believe that American politics has one Left-Right axis. It has two axes, according to this scholar whose name eludes me at the moment, one Right-Left and the other Liberal-Intolerant, which are best mapped as orthogonals. I recall very clearly- because it seemed like a very logical and yet revealing observation- that he said the bulk of Americans cluster at Right and Liberal, and few at Intolerant or Left, when asked to selfidentify. It seemed to make more sense of the otherwise messy alliances and messy trends in the body politic than any other scheme I had seen until then.
No, I don't care all that much about the slavery-corporation comparison per se. I'm not sure there is real news there to be discovered. What got me and arendt started is what prognostication is possible from analogy.
As for throwing the label 'center right' at my stance, I admit I don't pass the tests of ideological correctness almost anywhere. I argue for pragmatic steps and acuity and expending effort where success is greatest. On the other hand, I do see an America forming in my lifetime that will have almost nothing left of the ethnic Anglo-Irish society I was raised in as a child, that will feel closer to Brazil than Britain culturally. I will consider it a desirable improvement in the long run and one that I helped bring about. As for its economic arrangements, the present system of pensions and health care is not sustainable and was never really designed to be sustained. But at present there are still too many people invested in the system's inefficiency and privileges.
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| -Deep Analysis: The Emergence of the "New Republican" Party |
arendt |
Dec-13-03 11:11 PM |
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Thank you for this incredible post. |
barbaraann |
Dec-13-03 11:34 PM |
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so is she like saying there are more than a few republicans |
T Bone |
Dec-14-03 12:01 AM |
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Or perhaps just not vote. For example, |
barbaraann |
Dec-14-03 12:46 AM |
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This has to be the worst-timed "step back and think" post I ever made |
arendt |
Dec-14-03 07:36 PM |
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terrific, thought-provoking post |
leftofthedial |
Dec-14-03 07:58 PM |
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nicely done, no flames here. |
kaitykaity |
Dec-13-03 11:50 PM |
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Dec-13-03 11:54 PM |
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Awesome! Thanks... this helps me to see all of this in a whole new light! |
tlcandie |
Dec-13-03 11:56 PM |
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Bedtime, but I'll be back tomorrow AM...with a tank of liquid nitrogen |
arendt |
Dec-13-03 11:59 PM |
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I won't presume to critique.... |
frustrated_lefty |
Dec-14-03 12:03 AM |
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Democracy bytes back... |
TruthIsAll |
Dec-14-03 12:03 AM |
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This is the most brilliant post I've ever read on DU |
Walt Starr |
Dec-14-03 12:07 AM |
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Yup, it will be a rejection of the First Turd and an embracement of excite |
opihimoimoi |
Dec-14-03 01:39 AM |
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Anoher kick |
Walt Starr |
Dec-14-03 01:42 AM |
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Not Sure How I Feel About This |
burning bush |
Dec-14-03 03:38 AM |
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I don't buy it |
Lexingtonian |
Dec-14-03 06:31 AM |
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Dec-14-03 09:14 AM |
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really? |
Lexingtonian |
Dec-15-03 04:27 AM |
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"The coldness of the Calvinists" |
Tansy_Gold |
Dec-15-03 07:39 AM |
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Great. Perhaps this thread is a late-bloomer. Praise the media for Saddam! |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 09:26 AM |
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Leftists/leftists are like Feminists/feminists |
Tansy_Gold |
Dec-15-03 09:43 AM |
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Paul Fussell |
Lexingtonian |
Dec-17-03 05:59 AM |
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Now, this is meaty and intelligent. Thank you. It will take a while... |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 09:21 AM |
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Here's a detailed response |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 02:52 PM |
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Okay.... |
Lexingtonian |
Dec-17-03 04:51 AM |
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You really need to give us some exposition on Culture War |
arendt |
Dec-17-03 09:02 PM |
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Got Trippi background from USA Today article - lost link... |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 04:05 PM |
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Here's the link |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 04:08 PM |
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Well.... |
Lexingtonian |
Dec-17-03 06:13 AM |
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In your analogy, Lex., the good guys eventually win... |
fabius |
Dec-15-03 11:47 PM |
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Pretty damn good. Corporatism and racism are ongoing struggles. |
fabius |
Dec-16-03 12:20 AM |
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nice post |
Kennethken |
Dec-16-03 02:53 PM |
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The corporate "gentlemens' club" is usual pretty racist. |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 03:49 PM |
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Kick, this makes me want to re-think |
CalamityJane |
Dec-14-03 09:58 AM |
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Hmmm |
Eloriel |
Dec-14-03 11:08 AM |
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Thanks Eloriel, I think that's a great point |
CalamityJane |
Dec-14-03 11:18 AM |
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Im puzzled,E |
Ardee |
Dec-19-03 09:23 AM |
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a thought |
Iverson |
Dec-14-03 10:23 AM |
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Yeah, the rightward drift is scary, but it makes sense |
arendt |
Dec-14-03 10:24 PM |
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Incredible insight here. Great job Arendt. |
leftbehind |
Dec-15-03 01:14 AM |
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it raises the question |
Iverson |
Dec-15-03 09:59 AM |
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Clarification |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 02:55 PM |
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Thank you, arendt, for that analysis. |
Bruce McAuley |
Dec-14-03 11:04 AM |
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my reponse |
Kennethken |
Dec-14-03 11:16 AM |
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Now this is an INTELLIGENT response. Thank you. |
arendt |
Dec-14-03 01:33 PM |
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wow - most of my posts just get ignored |
Kennethken |
Dec-16-03 03:21 AM |
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Not clear who you think ABB really is |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 09:40 AM |
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sorry |
Kennethken |
Dec-16-03 02:21 PM |
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Very clear. That's a new distinction for me. |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 02:26 PM |
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Nice respite from the Sadamorgasms and PNAC cheering going on in |
Jacobin |
Dec-14-03 11:25 AM |
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I expect both the R party and BushCo in general |
SpiralHawk |
Dec-14-03 11:47 AM |
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This deserves a kick |
Iverson |
Dec-14-03 12:40 PM |
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and another |
Eloriel |
Dec-14-03 07:48 PM |
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Dude |
Nlighten1 |
Dec-14-03 08:33 PM |
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Hmmm...lots of interesting thoughts here |
mrsteve |
Dec-14-03 11:42 PM |
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Interesting and worth a read for all who like to think "out of the box." |
KoKo01 |
Dec-15-03 08:44 AM |
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An article discussing the same phenomenon |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 05:30 PM |
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Example of internet "nexus." |
barbaraann |
Dec-15-03 05:32 PM |
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Eeeeuuuuuw! Do I have to go there? Can't you precis it? n/t |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 05:48 PM |
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Okay. I'll be right back. |
barbaraann |
Dec-15-03 06:07 PM |
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Report on Freeper thread: |
barbaraann |
Dec-15-03 06:17 PM |
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Genius, |
musiclawyer |
Dec-15-03 06:44 PM |
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Cool! |
barbaraann |
Dec-15-03 08:19 PM |
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When Freepers are quoting rappers I think we have a nexus!... |
arendt |
Dec-15-03 07:50 PM |
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I mean there is a point where we have common thoughts. |
barbaraann |
Dec-15-03 08:13 PM |
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Got it about nexus. What do RWers say about WalMart? |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 10:03 AM |
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Freeper Eastforker hits the nail on the head |
rumguy |
Dec-15-03 08:11 PM |
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Yes. A DUer couldn't have said it better. |
barbaraann |
Dec-15-03 08:15 PM |
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A thought provoking essay |
Rainbows |
Dec-15-03 11:24 PM |
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I'm thinking about starting a thread on the hidden agenda |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 10:01 AM |
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Interesting analysis. |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Dec-15-03 11:54 PM |
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Well written, but I have some thoughts |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-16-03 12:03 AM |
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Does history repeat itself? |
whirlygigspin |
Dec-16-03 01:03 AM |
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While you're researching... |
arendt |
Dec-16-03 09:59 AM |
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Damn! |
Tinoire |
Dec-16-03 01:14 AM |
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Great thread |
proud patriot |
Dec-16-03 01:50 AM |
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Good stuff! Thanks for shaing |
Old and In the Way |
Dec-16-03 05:14 AM |
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Interesting. |
dusty64 |
Dec-16-03 07:16 AM |
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You leave a lot to chew on here, arendt -- as usual |
IrateCitizen |
Dec-19-03 11:04 AM |
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KICK! |
IrateCitizen |
Dec-19-03 12:46 PM |
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Here's a little more to chew on - energy, oil, euros, Iraq and US power... |
GoreN4 |
Dec-19-03 02:16 PM |
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Hey GoreN4, I lauded you on this when you first posted it! |
IrateCitizen |
Dec-19-03 02:26 PM |
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What you're proposing goes against the nature of 'Murrikans... |
IrateCitizen |
Dec-19-03 02:31 PM |
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