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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:56 AM
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9. You left out the part where he opposes unworkable pork
Asked whether he supports or opposes a Bush plan to begin deploying a nascent missile defense in 2004, Dean accused the current administration of rushing an untested system into the field. But he added: "Effective missile defense will be an important part of a Dean administration's national and homeland security strategy."

Dean praised President Clinton's moves toward a ground-based missile defense for the United States, "on a timetable that would ensure the deployment would be capable of actually responding to an attack." He pledged to "integrate missile defense into an overall national and homeland security effort which provides real defense for Americans at home and our forces and friends and allies abroad."
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and the part that explains what is objectionable in the int'l ban:


Currently, the U.S. military relies on satellites for intelligence, communications and other functions. Analysts say the Pentagon, under Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, is exploring a military expansion in space, a shift in emphasis from past administrations.

Elaborating on Dean's position, spokesman Jay Carson said Wednesday that the candidate was concerned about broadly worded arms-control proposals that could curtail current space operations. But Carson acknowledged that Dean's positions on space and missile defense belied his reputation as a national security liberal.
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  -Dean Supports "Star Wars" Missile Def & Space Weapons?? (you be the judge) AP  Dec-11-03 09:47 AM   #0 
  - That's one reason why  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-11-03 09:49 AM   #1 
  - So, where's the contradiction?  wtmusic   Dec-11-03 09:49 AM   #2 
  - Most Democrats I know look at Star Wars as unworkable pork which exists  AP   Dec-11-03 09:51 AM   #4 
  - Yes, but what's that got to do with the preemptive policy?  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 09:55 AM   #7 
  - It just sounds like he likes to spend money on things that make Wall St...  AP   Dec-11-03 09:57 AM   #12 
     - According to the LA Times editorial spin...  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 09:59 AM   #15 
        - I'd love to know what the truth is. That's why I put the "??" in my...  AP   Dec-11-03 10:01 AM   #19 
           - OK.  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 10:07 AM   #25 
  - You left out the part where he opposes unworkable pork  party_line   Dec-11-03 09:56 AM   #9 
  - So.........  retyred   Dec-11-03 10:56 AM   #50 
  - It's an oversimplification to lump Star Wars  wtmusic   Dec-11-03 09:58 AM   #14 
  - So you advocate  _NorCal_D_   Dec-11-03 10:12 AM   #32 
  - Huh?  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 09:50 AM   #3 
  - You think Star Wars is cool? You think it works? You think it isn't...  AP   Dec-11-03 09:54 AM   # 
     - That's not what my post said.  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 09:56 AM   #10 
  - What is Clark's position?  mrgorth   Dec-11-03 09:53 AM   #5 
  - Let a real man tell you what's wrong.  PleaseKillMe   Dec-11-03 10:03 AM   #21 
     - A "real man"?  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 10:09 AM   #27 
     - You couldn't shovel It with  zidzi   Dec-11-03 10:25 AM   #43 
     - Clark and Kerry are aligned on that.  blm   Dec-11-03 10:20 AM   #37 
     - Link?  bicentennial_baby   Dec-11-03 10:22 AM   #38 
  - How many times do they need to say it?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-11-03 09:54 AM   #6 
  - So Dean supports corporate welfare.  Skwmom   Dec-11-03 09:56 AM   #8 
  - You are reading editorial spin on Dean's stands.  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 09:58 AM   #13 
     - Who would put any faith in Dean's policy statements.  Skwmom   Dec-11-03 10:02 AM   #20 
        - Really?  Amerikav60   Dec-11-03 10:05 AM   #23 
        - Well, that's the spin that you've chosen to buy.  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 10:06 AM   #24 
        - I've read the whole lot  PHDiva   Dec-11-03 10:17 AM   #35 
        - Poop  RetroLounge   Dec-11-03 11:55 AM   #62 
  - Wha...??? That's crazy. The science is AGAINST Star Wars.  blm   Dec-11-03 09:56 AM   #11 
  - You don't think Dean would let a little think like science get in is way.  Skwmom   Dec-11-03 10:00 AM   #17 
  - Well, his supporters would like to see what he actually said first.  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 10:00 AM   #18 
     - This is a fair comment.  AP   Dec-11-03 10:03 AM   #22 
        - From the LA Times Article:  AP   Dec-11-03 10:08 AM   #26 
           - Thank you.  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 10:10 AM   #29 
           - Clinton tried to hold this program to strict standards  AP   Dec-11-03 10:17 AM   #34 
  - I would have to see a direct quote from Dean specifically regarding this  LuminousX   Dec-11-03 09:59 AM   #16 
  - Interestingly enough... Dean doesn't support it...  LuminousX   Dec-11-03 10:09 AM   #28 
     - Yeah, it's clear from the quotes AP offered above...  HuckleB   Dec-11-03 10:12 AM   #31 
     - It's the "weapons is space" position that separates Dean from rest.  AP   Dec-11-03 10:20 AM   #36 
        - Kerry is prescient  LuminousX   Dec-11-03 10:22 AM   #39 
           - When the project is announced it'll be too late to do anything  remfan   Dec-11-03 11:51 AM   #61 
     - Thanks LuminousX....I don't know what I'd  zidzi   Dec-11-03 10:23 AM   #40 
  - Unbelievable  _NorCal_D_   Dec-11-03 10:11 AM   #30 
  - The article linked (LA Times)  salin   Dec-11-03 10:16 AM   #33 
  - Star Wars is a Terrible Idea, but I'm voting Howard Dean  Don Claybrook   Dec-11-03 10:23 AM   #41 
  - Political Wire is Lying  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-11-03 10:24 AM   #42 
  -'s a 24/7 job around here  zidzi   Dec-11-03 10:28 AM   #45 
  - Dean opposes "Star Wars"  Duder   Dec-11-03 10:28 AM   #44 
  - There is an issue raised in the LA TImes... but it is not Star Wars  salin   Dec-11-03 10:34 AM   #46 
  - Kerry is for a ban? That's the wrong position to take.  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-11-03 10:40 AM   #47 
  - You're ignoring the second question discussed in the article:  AP   Dec-11-03 11:11 AM   #58 
     - It is? Or leaving the door open for unknown technology?  salin   Dec-11-03 12:04 PM   #65 
  - Dean's "policy" on ICC  PHDiva   Dec-11-03 10:55 AM   #49 
  - AP this is the most disturbing thing I have seen in awhile  salin   Dec-11-03 10:45 AM   #48 
  - I trusted Political Wire's headline. I think I amended the subject line  AP   Dec-11-03 11:06 AM   #54 
  - AP -  salin   Dec-11-03 11:23 AM   #60 
     - How is it "spin" to cust and paste headline & cut and paste the article..  AP   Dec-11-03 12:38 PM   #70 
  - OK but go back to Frontline and read up on Clinton's land based  nothingshocksmeanymore   Dec-11-03 11:07 AM   #55 
  - Again - legitimate questions  salin   Dec-11-03 12:06 PM   #66 
  - For emphasis: I cut and paste Political Wire's headline.  AP   Dec-11-03 11:08 AM   #56 
     - ah - credibility has to be charged? How about looking at the article  salin   Dec-11-03 12:09 PM   #67 
        - I read the Political Wire story first, and posted that. What's wrong  AP   Dec-11-03 12:37 PM   #69 
           - because the item wasn't a "story" it LINKED to a story  salin   Dec-11-03 12:42 PM   #72 
              - It was a story about another story. I posted the first story,  AP   Dec-11-03 01:00 PM   #73 
  - Poop  Walt Starr   Dec-11-03 10:57 AM   #51 
  - As usual... no quotes from Dean on his position...  TLM   Dec-11-03 10:58 AM   #52 
  - Shame on you for spreading falsehoods  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-11-03 10:58 AM   #53 
  - seemed like an important issue to discuss when I saw the Political Wire  AP   Dec-11-03 11:09 AM   #57 
     - You should have taken the two minutes it took to actually read the article  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-11-03 11:17 AM   #59 
        - I cut and paste the whole article, I put the question marks in.  AP   Dec-11-03 12:17 PM   #68 
  - AP has an Agenda against Dean- here's the proof. NOT a Personal Attack  Patriot_Spear   Dec-11-03 11:56 AM   #63 
  - What do you think that means?  AP   Dec-11-03 12:40 PM   #71 
     - Here's what your saying, 'I admit I'm biased, but believe me anyway...'  Patriot_Spear   Dec-11-03 01:06 PM   #74 
        - It means I'm willing to hold the microscope to Dean's words while most  AP   Dec-11-03 01:08 PM   #75 
           - Look, they're YOUR words- quit trying to fool people.  Patriot_Spear   Dec-11-03 01:11 PM   #76 
  - Poop and more poop  RetroLounge   Dec-11-03 11:58 AM   #64 

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