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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 07:41 PM
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55. Your generalizing
I've heard and said something similar at a recent get together of Dean supporters, but that does not imply that the only reason I don't support Kucinich is because I feel he is unelectable. He may well be electable, but articulating why I don't support a guy who has some good ideas is not easy to do in a few words. I'm not sure where this person who made this comment stands, but I imagine she reached her decision based on more than one or two factors. My support for Dean is based on something that I feel is much greater than ideas or rhetoric. My support for him is based on hope, and the involvement of thousands of Americans. Dean inspires hope, in a broad spectrum of people. That hope has resulted in more grassroots involvement than we have seen in 30 years. I support Dean because the ideas coming out of the Dean campaign are coming from us, and he is listening actively. Be honest, Dean is the most populist candidate we have seen in three decades. Clinton was popular, but he never had this kind of grassroots involvement. The other Dean supporters I've met are getting involved for the first time, and the people I have spoken to have been awakened to political involvement for the long term. Energizing people to take part in the political process is an amazing thing. Your right, populist politics resonate with the people and it is not a coincidence that the things coming out of the Dean campaign reflect populist ideas. Dean supporters feel real hope that the guy that we the people elect will be more responsive to we the people. Naive, perhaps but genuine hope none-the-less. Health care for all Americans is more likely to be fought for by a populist candidate, and a candidate with more fired up grassroots support is more likely to get health care for all Americans.

Kucinich may have been able to tap into this grassroots power, but the fact is that he didn't. We have the potential to have a real populist candidate. It is something that inspires hope that a populist agenda will again be found in D.C.
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  -The Dean campaign's "unelectable" meme WhoCountsTheVotes  Dec-08-03 01:35 PM   #0 
  - that is a shame  CMT   Dec-08-03 01:40 PM   #1 
  - I doubt it  Hep   Dec-08-03 01:46 PM   #3 
  - Its not if you can win  mdmc   Dec-08-03 01:43 PM   #2 
  - No one has been a greater target of "unelectable" than Dean  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 01:46 PM   #4 
  - hmm, perhaps try reading the post next time?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 01:51 PM   #5 
     - hmm, perhaps look at who the article is propping?  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 02:38 PM   #13 
  - Clinton would have beat Bush anyway  AngryYoungMan   Dec-08-03 02:04 PM   #6 
  - I thought these were the numbers:  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 02:07 PM   #7 
     - I'm with you on this  JVS   Dec-08-03 03:08 PM   #23 
  - Bad strategy  JNelson6563   Dec-08-03 02:07 PM   #8 
  - Oh, the Clarkies are the *best* at this meme  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 02:15 PM   #11 
  - Heresay.  bobbyboucher   Dec-08-03 02:11 PM   #9 
  - Sour grapes...  TLM   Dec-08-03 02:15 PM   #10 
  - Coward Dean is unelectable.  Octafish   Dec-08-03 03:39 PM   #29 
     - Meme #245610  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 04:50 PM   #37 
     - What you dont seem to understand  Capn Sunshine   Dec-08-03 04:59 PM   #40 
        - Will the bashers apologize if proven wrong?  Hep   Dec-08-03 05:01 PM   #41 
        - There's nothing to apologize for, is there?  Octafish   Dec-08-03 07:26 PM   #53 
        - If he's so brave, why did he dodge the draft?  Octafish   Dec-08-03 05:48 PM   #46 
           - Lying meme #44528 - "Dean dodged the draft"  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 06:16 PM   #48 
              - Dean went skiing. He hit the moguls. He poured concrete.  Octafish   Dec-08-03 07:29 PM   #54 
  - Obviously there is more to winning elections than policies.  MGKrebs   Dec-08-03 02:34 PM   #12 
  - Perhaps I missed it...  dajabr   Dec-08-03 02:39 PM   #14 
  - goes to show you how much more informed democrats really are  kodi   Dec-08-03 02:41 PM   #15 
  - It's OUR meme? Someone's delusional!  Hep   Dec-08-03 02:47 PM   #16 
  - okay, one more time  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 02:53 PM   #17 
     - Why just Dean people?  dajabr   Dec-08-03 02:58 PM   #18 
     - broad based smear? just Dean people?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:00 PM   #20 
        - "The Dean people used this meme against DK"  dajabr   Dec-08-03 03:06 PM   #22 
           - dajabr, never mind  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:15 PM   #25 
              - I'd be more receptive to your broader point...  dajabr   Dec-08-03 03:31 PM   #27 
     - agreed there  ThirdWheelLegend   Dec-08-03 03:01 PM   #21 
     - Even if I were to agree with the statement,  MGKrebs   Dec-08-03 03:11 PM   #24 
     - well I for one don't like to say it anymore  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:19 PM   #26 
        - Not sure I want to get into this,  MGKrebs   Dec-08-03 03:44 PM   #31 
        - Kucinich more electable than Dean  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 04:09 PM   #33 
           - Cool! So, where is his support and poll numbers? Money?  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 04:52 PM   #38 
        - This demonstrates the problems I've found with some DK  Eloriel   Dec-08-03 04:38 PM   #34 
           - The only person responsible for DK  quaker bill   Dec-08-03 07:58 PM   #56 
     - You're wrong from the start  Hep   Dec-08-03 04:45 PM   #36 
  - I'm beginning to be of the opinion...  YNGW   Dec-08-03 03:00 PM   #19 
  - DK is not the left thx for playing though.  Sterling   Dec-08-03 06:33 PM   #51 
  - There's no problem with stumping for your candidate  mrgorth   Dec-08-03 03:37 PM   #28 
  - I didn't compromise with Dean  Eloriel   Dec-08-03 03:42 PM   #30 
  - I know Eloriel  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:48 PM   #32 
     - Apparently you don't know  Eloriel   Dec-08-03 04:42 PM   #35 
        - Eloriel watch - they will make that lie into a new meme.  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 04:54 PM   #39 
        - The fact that Dean support NAFTA is the absoulte truth  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 05:39 PM   #44 
           - You can find all the warts you care to look for  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 06:22 PM   #49 
        - we've talked about it numerous times, Eloriel  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 05:37 PM   #43 
  - thanks for posting this, you analysis is spot on  goodhue   Dec-08-03 05:02 PM   #42 
  - EXACTLY what I've been thinking!!!  no name no slogan   Dec-08-03 05:47 PM   #45 
  - Every Dem I know likes what Kucinich says but all say they won't vote  bleedingheart   Dec-08-03 05:58 PM   #47 
  - I'm voting for Kucinich.  JVS   Dec-08-03 08:07 PM   #57 
  - That is too bad cuz DK is not too far left.  Sterling   Dec-08-03 06:23 PM   #50 
  - wasn't kucinich previously anti-abortion? anti gay marriage?  enki23   Dec-08-03 06:39 PM   #52 
  - Your generalizing  Polemonium   Dec-08-03 07:41 PM   #55 
 

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