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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 03:44 PM
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31. Not sure I want to get into this,
(this has been covered here so much), but, interested in your perspective: how could Dean be seen as less "electable" than DK? By what criteria? I assume we are talking about "electable" as opposed to "nominatable", meaning, appeal to the general electorate. Because Dean won't sign on to one of the most leftist, radical positions DK supports?

Which brings up another point; one could make the case that the NAFTA issue is not really off the table, it's just that Dean's position is seen as less drastic and more realistic than DK's.

Blame- although I think DU has some influence in political debate, I think it is unlikely that DU'er DK bashers are responsible for the Democratic party's eventual support of a candidate.

I am sympathetic to your concerns about NAFTA, but it is not at the top of the list for some of us.

Finally, I like DK. In fact, I like him right where he is. That's not a slam. He can be very effective working in Congress, and probably would have a lot more freedom to aggressively pursue the progressive agenda there than he would as president. I have felt for a while now that if Gore had become Prez, we would then be ready for a DK presidency. But Gore is not (officially) President, the country has taken a little turn to the right, and we have to make up that ground first before we get back to selling a progressive agenda to Main St.

(sorry- not as well though out as I would like, pressed for time here.)
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  -The Dean campaign's "unelectable" meme WhoCountsTheVotes  Dec-08-03 01:35 PM   #0 
  - that is a shame  CMT   Dec-08-03 01:40 PM   #1 
  - I doubt it  Hep   Dec-08-03 01:46 PM   #3 
  - Its not if you can win  mdmc   Dec-08-03 01:43 PM   #2 
  - No one has been a greater target of "unelectable" than Dean  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 01:46 PM   #4 
  - hmm, perhaps try reading the post next time?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 01:51 PM   #5 
     - hmm, perhaps look at who the article is propping?  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 02:38 PM   #13 
  - Clinton would have beat Bush anyway  AngryYoungMan   Dec-08-03 02:04 PM   #6 
  - I thought these were the numbers:  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 02:07 PM   #7 
     - I'm with you on this  JVS   Dec-08-03 03:08 PM   #23 
  - Bad strategy  JNelson6563   Dec-08-03 02:07 PM   #8 
  - Oh, the Clarkies are the *best* at this meme  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 02:15 PM   #11 
  - Heresay.  bobbyboucher   Dec-08-03 02:11 PM   #9 
  - Sour grapes...  TLM   Dec-08-03 02:15 PM   #10 
  - Coward Dean is unelectable.  Octafish   Dec-08-03 03:39 PM   #29 
     - Meme #245610  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 04:50 PM   #37 
     - What you dont seem to understand  Capn Sunshine   Dec-08-03 04:59 PM   #40 
        - Will the bashers apologize if proven wrong?  Hep   Dec-08-03 05:01 PM   #41 
        - There's nothing to apologize for, is there?  Octafish   Dec-08-03 07:26 PM   #53 
        - If he's so brave, why did he dodge the draft?  Octafish   Dec-08-03 05:48 PM   #46 
           - Lying meme #44528 - "Dean dodged the draft"  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 06:16 PM   #48 
              - Dean went skiing. He hit the moguls. He poured concrete.  Octafish   Dec-08-03 07:29 PM   #54 
  - Obviously there is more to winning elections than policies.  MGKrebs   Dec-08-03 02:34 PM   #12 
  - Perhaps I missed it...  dajabr   Dec-08-03 02:39 PM   #14 
  - goes to show you how much more informed democrats really are  kodi   Dec-08-03 02:41 PM   #15 
  - It's OUR meme? Someone's delusional!  Hep   Dec-08-03 02:47 PM   #16 
  - okay, one more time  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 02:53 PM   #17 
     - Why just Dean people?  dajabr   Dec-08-03 02:58 PM   #18 
     - broad based smear? just Dean people?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:00 PM   #20 
        - "The Dean people used this meme against DK"  dajabr   Dec-08-03 03:06 PM   #22 
           - dajabr, never mind  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:15 PM   #25 
              - I'd be more receptive to your broader point...  dajabr   Dec-08-03 03:31 PM   #27 
     - agreed there  ThirdWheelLegend   Dec-08-03 03:01 PM   #21 
     - Even if I were to agree with the statement,  MGKrebs   Dec-08-03 03:11 PM   #24 
     - well I for one don't like to say it anymore  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:19 PM   #26 
        - Not sure I want to get into this,  MGKrebs   Dec-08-03 03:44 PM   #31 
        - Kucinich more electable than Dean  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 04:09 PM   #33 
           - Cool! So, where is his support and poll numbers? Money?  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 04:52 PM   #38 
        - This demonstrates the problems I've found with some DK  Eloriel   Dec-08-03 04:38 PM   #34 
           - The only person responsible for DK  quaker bill   Dec-08-03 07:58 PM   #56 
     - You're wrong from the start  Hep   Dec-08-03 04:45 PM   #36 
  - I'm beginning to be of the opinion...  YNGW   Dec-08-03 03:00 PM   #19 
  - DK is not the left thx for playing though.  Sterling   Dec-08-03 06:33 PM   #51 
  - There's no problem with stumping for your candidate  mrgorth   Dec-08-03 03:37 PM   #28 
  - I didn't compromise with Dean  Eloriel   Dec-08-03 03:42 PM   #30 
  - I know Eloriel  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 03:48 PM   #32 
     - Apparently you don't know  Eloriel   Dec-08-03 04:42 PM   #35 
        - Eloriel watch - they will make that lie into a new meme.  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 04:54 PM   #39 
        - The fact that Dean support NAFTA is the absoulte truth  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 05:39 PM   #44 
           - You can find all the warts you care to look for  Scott Lee   Dec-08-03 06:22 PM   #49 
        - we've talked about it numerous times, Eloriel  WhoCountsTheVotes   Dec-08-03 05:37 PM   #43 
  - thanks for posting this, you analysis is spot on  goodhue   Dec-08-03 05:02 PM   #42 
  - EXACTLY what I've been thinking!!!  no name no slogan   Dec-08-03 05:47 PM   #45 
  - Every Dem I know likes what Kucinich says but all say they won't vote  bleedingheart   Dec-08-03 05:58 PM   #47 
  - I'm voting for Kucinich.  JVS   Dec-08-03 08:07 PM   #57 
  - That is too bad cuz DK is not too far left.  Sterling   Dec-08-03 06:23 PM   #50 
  - wasn't kucinich previously anti-abortion? anti gay marriage?  enki23   Dec-08-03 06:39 PM   #52 
  - Your generalizing  Polemonium   Dec-08-03 07:41 PM   #55 

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