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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:33 PM
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45. You are proposing ....
that EVERYONE stop discussing the Niger report, ... because it 'wastes energy' ....

EVEN though it has provided OODLES of traction in the polls and with the attitudes of the electorate against the Bush regime ....

And YOU want to stop discussing it .......

WHY ? ...

WHY does this smack of GOP apologia ? ....

WHY do you wish us to be 'non partisan' with an EXTREMELY partisan pResident of an EXTREMELY partisan party ? ....

Honestly ..... do you think that the 'head in the sand-get along by going along' approach is going to work this time around ? ...

No ..... No no no and NO ! ......

IF you havent a desire to stand up for your 'partisan' beliefs, then you havent a philosophical basis for dissenting against its antithesis .....

You dont seem to understand this: .. > Just by TALKING of impeachment, it plants seeds of doubt into the minds of millions of former 'believers in the faith' ..... Impeachment doesnt have to be ABSOLUTELY viable to have a desireable effect .... it doesnt have to LEAD to impeachment, but only in the DOUBT of the veracity of the administration .....

The Niger Report is NOT alone: .. the claims of the Aluminum tubes, the 'chemical trucks', the ties to Al Qaeda, the imminence of an attack against US interests by Iraqi WMD's ... IE ALL the supposed assertions regarding the 'case for war' are now beginning to look like chopped liver to MANY americans who formerly 'trusted' this administration to 'tell the truth' .....

ALL of this 'doubt' has been buttressed by the admission BY THE WHITE HOUSE, that the Niger report was INDEED forged ...... and now the PROCESS of verifying intelligence claims can NOW be extended to the other assertions used by this cabal to justify war ...... ALL the other points used in the case for war have become extremely doubtful because of this admission ....

You say the American people are convinced that overthrowing Saddam Hussein was a good thing ..... and I am inclined to agree with that assertion myself .. it IS a good thing to overthrow vicious Stalinistic tyrants, ESPECIALLY those who were good friends of the GOP only 13 years ago .....

Its also nice to drive a nice new car: .... but would it be right to STEAL that car to do so ? .........

Look: .. if you ARENT INTERESTED in indicting this MISadministration for its failures and missteps, and you generally AGREE with the direction this country is in: .... then you havent any reason to vote againt George W. Bush in 2004 ..... and you havent any reason to form arguments against Bush and the GOP holding power ..... and perhaps you might STOP using arguments against them ......

Dont ask us to do the same: .. we ARE partisans, we DO reject this administration of dangerous numbskulls .... we will not stand down because you feel uncomfortable about doubting the truthfulness of George W. Bush and his henchmen .....
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  -Impeachment is NOT an option Chicagonian  Jul-26-03 11:11 AM   #0 
  - I think this position is weak ....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 11:13 AM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:23 AM   #6 
     - you must be kidding  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 11:28 AM   #12 
     - Have you even been paying attention?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:36 AM   #14 
        - This assertion is patently FALSE !  Trajan   Jul-26-03 11:43 AM   #21 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:52 AM   #28 
           - I am probably old enough to be your daddy .....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 12:04 PM   #35 
           - doubtful.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:10 PM   #39 
              - You are proposing ....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 12:33 PM   #45 
                 - what do you propose?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:45 PM   #48 
                    - I propose ....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 01:29 PM   #66 
                       - just what I figured-  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 02:45 PM   #71 
                          - I see bluster,but it isn't from Trajan  Forkboy   Jul-26-03 03:41 PM   #81 
                             - he didn't answer the question posed.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 03:55 PM   #85 
           - Iran Contra amounted to little  charlie   Jul-26-03 12:25 PM   #44 
           - Reagan was a 'kindly' father figure  alfredo   Jul-26-03 12:48 PM   #49 
           - no, bush isn't a father-figure...  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:52 PM   #51 
           - Actually, Iran-Contra drove Reagan's ratings down considerably  diplomats   Jul-26-03 05:23 PM   #95 
        - Have you been reading the news at all?!!  kayell   Jul-26-03 01:06 PM   #59 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:38 AM   #15 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:42 AM   #19 
           - Weak ....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 11:44 AM   #22 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 03:42 PM   #83 
  - I'm With You  Crisco   Jul-26-03 11:15 AM   #2 
  - The pan is big enough ....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 11:22 AM   #5 
     - Aaaaahhh...there's your problem-  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:27 AM   #9 
        - ENOUGH of them .....  Trajan   Jul-26-03 11:40 AM   #16 
        - No...  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:43 AM   #20 
        - I always knew we were pessimistic but this is pathetic  Leftist78   Jul-26-03 03:31 PM   #80 
  - I don't  mzpip   Jul-26-03 11:16 AM   #3 
  - So  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-26-03 11:20 AM   #4 
  - Face it, it's NOTgoing to happen.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:25 AM   #7 
     - Now that he's turned the CIA against him  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-26-03 11:27 AM   #10 
  - It very well is  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 11:26 AM   #8 
  - Impeached by whom? and over what, exactly?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:33 AM   #13 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:40 AM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:46 AM   #24 
        - The process requires fair and free elections  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-26-03 11:52 AM   #27 
        - So...what do you propose?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:00 PM   #33 
           - Bu$hCo will be tried in the court  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-26-03 12:11 PM   #41 
              - and how will that end come?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:39 PM   #47 
        - In this country, the process inolves elections every 4 years.  steviet_2003   Jul-26-03 12:05 PM   #37 
           - impeachment isn't just a long shot-  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:14 PM   #43 
              - impeachment isn't just a long shot-"  steviet_2003   Jul-26-03 05:04 PM   #92 
     - My God  Blecht   Jul-26-03 11:45 AM   #23 
     - lying  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 11:48 AM   #25 
        - technically, he didn't outright lie.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:59 AM   #30 
           - technically? is that like "technically, Bill Clinton didn't lie"?  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 12:05 PM   #36 
              - And...do you honestly see this happening?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:49 PM   #50 
                 - well...there's the rub  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 12:58 PM   #54 
                    - no...it's not the rub, it's the POINT of what I've been saying.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 01:05 PM   #58 
                       - What about the falling poll numbers?  Leftist78   Jul-26-03 03:43 PM   #84 
                          - Ummmm- the title of the thread is-  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 04:01 PM   #86 
                             - I know the title of the thread  Leftist78   Jul-26-03 04:18 PM   #89 
                                - constantly calling for impeachment over each misstep-  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 04:33 PM   #90 
                                   - you're forgetting that those have worked  Leftist78   Jul-26-03 04:58 PM   #91 
                                   - If it had NO LEGS, the story would have gone away days ago  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-26-03 05:48 PM   #98 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:28 AM   #11 
  - It's not enough to bring him down.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:40 AM   #17 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 11:51 AM   #26 
     - over 50,000 died in Vietnam.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 11:56 AM   #29 
        - Election on what....  Uzybone   Jul-26-03 12:10 PM   #40 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 12:34 PM   #46 
           - no...  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:56 PM   #53 
     - Can I hang George Bush? See, I believe he is a murderer  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 11:59 AM   #31 
     - If you see impeachment as a viable option...  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 12:02 PM   #34 
        - why dont you?  Terwilliger   Jul-26-03 12:54 PM   #52 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 01:00 PM   #56 
     - The electorate  October   Jul-26-03 12:00 PM   #32 
  - There is much more to Bush's deceit than the uranium story...  Redleg   Jul-26-03 12:09 PM   #38 
  - Keep attacking on ALL fronts!!(Some new ones will even come out,  revcarol   Jul-26-03 12:12 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 12:59 PM   #55 
  - thank you, no...  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 01:08 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 01:24 PM   #63 
  - I forgot. What's REALLY important  aquart   Jul-26-03 01:04 PM   #57 
  - nothing on TV?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 01:09 PM   #61 
  - On the contrary....  TreasonousBastard   Jul-26-03 01:18 PM   #62 
  - Why are you so upset  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-26-03 01:26 PM   #64 
  - He just repeated...  Isome   Jul-26-03 01:46 PM   #67 
  - I was being facetious  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-26-03 02:01 PM   #69 
  - please point out-  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 02:47 PM   #72 
     - Post #30  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-26-03 02:52 PM   #74 
        - please point out which lie was defended and how.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 03:10 PM   #76 
           - False rhetoric?  notsodumbhillbilly   Jul-26-03 03:17 PM   #78 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 03:41 PM   #82 
           - It underscores one of two things. Integrity (lack of) or incompetence  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-26-03 05:50 PM   #99 
  - Wasting my time arguing with you is NOT an option...  DemLikr   Jul-26-03 01:27 PM   #65 
  - steadily falling....someday they may even get below 50%.  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 02:50 PM   #73 
  - Not Mutually Dependent  HFishbine   Jul-26-03 01:56 PM   #68 
  - OK. Newbie post.  Blue-Jay   Jul-26-03 02:20 PM   #70 
  - BWAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  ParanoidPat   Jul-26-03 03:07 PM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-03 03:13 PM   #77 
  - WRONG!  judgegina   Jul-26-03 03:31 PM   #79 
  - Did you happen to notice the title of the thread?  Chicagonian   Jul-26-03 04:08 PM   #87 
     - IS an option and coming closer all the time. Many republicans upset  Pallas180   Jul-26-03 04:17 PM   #88 
  - impeachment of bush would give us cheney...no?  ElsewheresDaughter   Jul-26-03 05:04 PM   #93 
  - the niger lies and impeachment...  tomp   Jul-26-03 05:21 PM   #94 
  - i also oppose the idea that bush's lie-telling nature...  tomp   Jul-26-03 05:24 PM   #96 
  - Option schmoption. There is good reason NOT to let go of the Niger story  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-26-03 05:47 PM   #97 
 

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