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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:11 PM
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144. Not really
And that's my question. He keeps saying that there is a good deal of support for Kerry or Clark, but that the Marines* he serves with still admire Shrub. Well, support doesn't mean votes. I haven't seen him post anything that says that they will actually abandon Shrub in favor of Clark or Kerry, just that they "support" them.

So my question is, how many have said that they would vote for the Democratic Party candidate if it is either Clark or Kerry RATHER THAN vote for Shrub?


*I call them marines. My brother the former Marine would die if they were referred to as anything else. As far as he and every other Marine I've ever spoken with are concerned, soldiers are the guys in the Amry who couldn't have made it in the Marines. (joking!)
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  - Dean admitting that he didn't want to go to Vietnam hurt him in the South Marines for Clark  Dec-02-03 08:50 PM   #0 
  - A fair question...  Jim4Wes   Dec-02-03 08:51 PM   #1 
  - Frankly I have been predicting Dean's reception in the South  Racenut20   Dec-02-03 08:54 PM   #2 
  - You're very astute, Racenut  wtmusic   Dec-02-03 08:55 PM   #5 
  - What about the Dem Nomination?  Bill of Rights   Dec-02-03 09:56 PM   #45 
  - Tell it here  sangh0   Dec-03-03 10:31 AM   #122 
  - I can tell you with certainty...  Anaxamander   Dec-03-03 08:13 AM   #112 
  - You do realize it's 11 months before elections, right?  J B   Dec-02-03 08:54 PM   #3 
  - Captured on videotape for eternity.  BillyBunter   Dec-02-03 09:04 PM   #9 
  - Imagine that.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-02-03 09:10 PM   #16 
     - One it is.  BillyBunter   Dec-02-03 10:05 PM   #51 
        - LMAO  Forkboy   Dec-02-03 10:10 PM   #53 
        - Not exactly what I said.  BillyBunter   Dec-02-03 10:53 PM   #66 
           - It's not what you said  Forkboy   Dec-02-03 11:01 PM   #69 
              - Of course it is.  BillyBunter   Dec-02-03 11:08 PM   #72 
                 - Glad you agree  Forkboy   Dec-02-03 11:10 PM   #73 
        - Ask Wes Clark if he wanted to go.  diamondsoul   Dec-02-03 10:47 PM   #64 
        - So what do you say to the people,  BillyBunter   Dec-02-03 11:02 PM   #70 
        - Well now, you've raised some salient  diamondsoul   Dec-02-03 11:35 PM   #79 
        - why do you keep calling it DRAFT DODGING?  ima_sinnic   Dec-03-03 08:33 AM   #115 
        - For the same reason republicans call it partial birth abortion  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:12 PM   #127 
        - Dean did his duty.... and the military rejected him.  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:06 PM   #125 
        - Here's what I say:  Chomskyite   Dec-03-03 12:45 PM   #136 
        - Look I'm not  Jim4Wes   Dec-03-03 01:09 AM   #83 
        - LOL  Jack_Dawson   Dec-03-03 03:24 AM   #93 
        - The funny thing is, the people you're talking about didn't serve  SharonAnn   Dec-03-03 01:05 PM   #142 
  - I agree with this....  brent of rppper   Dec-04-03 07:13 PM   #145 
  - If he wanted to go he would have enlisted  wtmusic   Dec-02-03 08:54 PM   #4 
  - Thats odd most of my family from the south  Sterling   Dec-02-03 08:56 PM   #6 
  - So it is apparently helping him  wtmusic   Dec-02-03 09:02 PM   #7 
  - Just imagine how most young men today  Demobrat   Dec-02-03 09:07 PM   #10 
  - The Military south  Marines for Clark   Dec-02-03 09:09 PM   #15 
     - And yet they are fine with a commander in chief  Demobrat   Dec-02-03 09:13 PM   #19 
     - They don't have a choice, do they?  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-02-03 10:24 PM   #60 
     - funny  DS1   Dec-02-03 09:14 PM   #21 
     - What do they normally call each other?  Demobrat   Dec-02-03 09:27 PM   #32 
        - Marines  DS1   Dec-02-03 09:28 PM   #34 
           - Arent you a vet yourself DS1?  JohnKleeb   Dec-02-03 10:00 PM   #48 
           - Yes, it's just one of those things  DS1   Dec-02-03 10:22 PM   #57 
           - I noticed that too...  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:14 PM   #128 
     - Fellow North Carolinian here  HFishbine   Dec-02-03 09:15 PM   #22 
     - Marines for Clark - So they like Bush for being AWOL?  BEFOREATHOUGHT   Dec-02-03 09:15 PM   #23 
     - Did Troops Know.....  CityZen-X   Dec-02-03 09:19 PM   #27 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-03 10:04 PM   #49 
     - Since Bush went Awol I don't understand your point  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 03:02 AM   #86 
     - This is what I'm talking about Deanies  Jack_Dawson   Dec-03-03 03:29 AM   #94 
  - I am very close friends with many active and retired military guys  NNN0LHI   Dec-02-03 09:03 PM   #8 
  - What Dean said last night is exactly the kind of answers people want.  Darth_Ole   Dec-02-03 09:08 PM   #14 
     - And as soon as he said it  Demobrat   Dec-02-03 09:23 PM   #30 
     - I agree!  slinkerwink   Dec-02-03 09:26 PM   #31 
        - I predict that if Clark wins alot of are more Rovian Clarkies  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 03:08 AM   #87 
        - They were clapping because...  Jack_Dawson   Dec-03-03 03:33 AM   #95 
           - Dean is polling the best with moderate and indi voters.  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:24 PM   #132 
     - Exactly.... if people had WANTED to go to vietnam...  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:17 PM   #129 
  - More talking points from the clark blog...  TLM   Dec-02-03 09:07 PM   #11 
  - I predict it'll hurt him just as much as  pruner   Dec-02-03 09:07 PM   #12 
  - but not nearly as much as  frustrated_lefty   Dec-02-03 09:10 PM   #17 
     - About that tattoo  HFishbine   Dec-02-03 09:17 PM   #25 
  - lol  Forkboy   Dec-02-03 09:08 PM   #13 
  - Clark or Kerry  Marines for Clark   Dec-02-03 09:14 PM   #20 
     - What is your reply to poster who asked if you like bush because  MoonAndSun   Dec-02-03 09:20 PM   #28 
     - Why would the put their life on Awol Bush who is infinately worse!  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 03:10 AM   #88 
     - I agree  Jack_Dawson   Dec-03-03 03:36 AM   #97 
  - Why does this hurt him?  ellie   Dec-02-03 09:11 PM   #18 
  - 1st I want to say I don't like Dean, 2nd I want to say I don't like Dean  Democrats unite   Dec-02-03 09:17 PM   #24 
  - Clark or Kerry  Marines for Clark   Dec-02-03 09:18 PM   #26 
  - Reply to poster #23 please.  MoonAndSun   Dec-02-03 09:22 PM   #29 
  - Thought you might be  HFishbine   Dec-02-03 09:31 PM   #35 
  - I'm sorry, but  Don Claybrook   Dec-03-03 08:13 AM   #111 
  - rotfl  sandnsea   Dec-03-03 03:22 AM   #92 
  - It'll hurt him just about as much as it hurt Clinton  farmbo   Dec-02-03 09:28 PM   #33 
  - Possibly...  Field Of Dreams   Dec-02-03 09:31 PM   #36 
  - Keep in mind...women cast over half the Southern votes...  farmbo   Dec-02-03 09:45 PM   #42 
  - The south will hurt Dean  Marines for Clark   Dec-02-03 10:05 PM   #50 
     - I live in the South...Alabama to be exact, and I was born in Virginia...  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-02-03 11:06 PM   #71 
  - Gore was a son of the South and a veteran who didn't go awol  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 03:12 AM   #89 
  - But Clinton was charming  jumptheshadow   Dec-03-03 06:15 AM   #107 
     - It remains to be seen...  farmbo   Dec-03-03 08:27 AM   #113 
  - YooHoo!!! Marines For Clark....where are you?  MoonAndSun   Dec-02-03 09:31 PM   #37 
  - Its amazing  Jim4Wes   Dec-02-03 09:35 PM   #38 
  - I'm former military, but there are quite a few Democrats that distrust...  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-02-03 11:16 PM   #74 
     - Yes  Jim4Wes   Dec-02-03 11:21 PM   #75 
     - I don't think that is factual  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 03:16 AM   #90 
     - I'm glad you qualified that,because  Jim4Wes   Dec-03-03 03:59 AM   #103 
     - Clark said he would have voted for the IWR!  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 05:19 AM   #105 
        - You have to look at his whole record  Jim4Wes   Dec-03-03 09:51 AM   #120 
     - I don't think you read what I posted. What specifically about my post...  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-03-03 12:43 PM   #135 
     - Here's the post I promised  Jim4Wes   Dec-03-03 03:49 AM   #101 
  - Hurt him?  Donna Zen   Dec-02-03 09:36 PM   #39 
  - Newsflash, the liberal base of the dem party... don't want a war hawk  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:39 PM   #134 
  - Does Dean's admitting that he was not and is not an idiot hurt him?  damnraddem   Dec-02-03 09:37 PM   #40 
  - Moon my reply  Marines for Clark   Dec-02-03 09:49 PM   #44 
     - Thanks for your reply back, Marines For Clark,  MoonAndSun   Dec-02-03 10:07 PM   #52 
     - No, Dean never had those votes....  Rowdyboy   Dec-03-03 12:54 AM   #81 
        - Not really  lastliberalintexas   Dec-03-03 01:11 PM   #144 
     - www.awolbush.com  Bill of Rights   Dec-02-03 10:11 PM   #54 
     - Whomever is the nominee needs to make it an issue and get  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 03:19 AM   #91 
  - To be honest  fujiyama   Dec-02-03 09:45 PM   #41 
  - Dean's Candor  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-02-03 11:21 PM   #76 
  - No, it won't.  Dob Bole   Dec-02-03 09:46 PM   #43 
  - South Carolina  Nicholas_J   Dec-02-03 09:58 PM   #46 
  - Whaaat?  HFishbine   Dec-02-03 10:56 PM   #68 
  - And  Chomskyite   Dec-03-03 12:57 PM   #139 
  - Some people approve, some people don't  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-02-03 09:59 PM   #47 
  - Yep, Tom, you make some very salient points. We cannot afford to forget  karlschneider   Dec-02-03 10:23 PM   #58 
  - Bush not wanting to go to Vietnam didn't hurt him!  SharonAnn   Dec-02-03 10:16 PM   #55 
  - I disagree  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-02-03 10:29 PM   #62 
  - As far as Vietnam goes, why should this be an issue when the  caledesi   Dec-02-03 10:21 PM   #56 
  - southerners aren't stupid  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-02-03 10:23 PM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-03 10:29 PM   #61 
  - Gee, wish I had 628 posts...  AnnitaR   Dec-02-03 10:54 PM   #67 
     - Sad, I thought we had gotten beyond "my post count is bigger  Rowdyboy   Dec-03-03 12:56 AM   #82 
     - AnnitaR  newyawker99   Dec-03-03 08:04 AM   #110 
  - And Clark wanting stricter gun laws will hurt him  party_line   Dec-02-03 10:37 PM   #63 
  - Yes, I bet it will  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-02-03 10:48 PM   #65 
     - Clarks strategy  Jim4Wes   Dec-02-03 11:59 PM   #80 
  - I dunno if it will. Will the South continue to hurt itself  Kurovski   Dec-02-03 11:22 PM   #77 
  - Didn't hurt him in this area of the *South*.  madfloridian   Dec-02-03 11:27 PM   #78 
  - How the South will reject Dean  CWebster   Dec-03-03 01:42 AM   #84 
  - Didn't hurt Clinton  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 02:57 AM   #85 
  - Sure as hell didn't hurt Clinton in the south  VermontDem2004   Dec-03-03 03:36 AM   #96 
  - Clinton was FROM the south - big diff  Jack_Dawson   Dec-03-03 03:45 AM   #99 
     - It doesn't matter  VermontDem2004   Dec-03-03 03:47 AM   #100 
     - Good Logic  Jack_Dawson   Dec-03-03 03:50 AM   #102 
        - If you think the fact that he got a deferment will hurt him is your  VermontDem2004   Dec-03-03 04:02 AM   #104 
        - Gore is Southern and didn't dodge the draft, and he did worse the Clinton  Classical_Liberal   Dec-03-03 05:25 AM   #106 
     - Conventional wisdom.  HuckleB   Dec-03-03 12:17 PM   #130 
  - I can't believe so many of you responded to this thread...  rumguy   Dec-03-03 03:38 AM   #98 
  - yes we must always watch what we say because of the south  CMT   Dec-03-03 06:51 AM   #108 
  - Dean's a coward, like Bush.  Octafish   Dec-03-03 07:48 AM   #109 
  - speaking of COWARDS, yessing BushCo is hardly brave  ima_sinnic   Dec-03-03 08:40 AM   #116 
  - Coward Dean, a moderate -- conservative on fiscal issues.  Octafish   Dec-03-03 09:13 AM   #118 
     - coward Kerry, Iraq war enabler, peace protestor/warrior  ima_sinnic   Dec-03-03 09:48 AM   #119 
     - Nice job on offering the false choice. Howard is still a coward.  Octafish   Dec-03-03 10:26 AM   #121 
        - How is going on with your life cowardly?  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:55 PM   #138 
           - Pick and choose what you want. The truth is Dean is a draft-dodger.  Octafish   Dec-06-03 01:24 AM   #147 
     - Yeah I just love the way Kerry bravly lied about throwing his metals  TLM   Dec-03-03 12:47 PM   #137 
        - At least Kerry had some medals to throw!  Octafish   Dec-06-03 01:30 AM   #148 
  - Baloney attacks are also cowardly.  HuckleB   Dec-03-03 12:11 PM   #126 
     - Spending the winter skiing shows Dean's back was fine.  Octafish   Dec-03-03 12:23 PM   #131 
        - No, it doesn't.  HuckleB   Dec-03-03 12:27 PM   #133 
        - Ho-Ho's own words...  Octafish   Dec-06-03 01:42 AM   #150 
        - And tell me what medical school did you graduate from?  TLM   Dec-03-03 01:04 PM   #141 
           - I'm no doc, but I can spot a phony. Dean's back was OK when he hiked VT.  Octafish   Dec-06-03 01:37 AM   #149 
  - I have yet to meet a person who was excited at the prospect of  MrsGrumpy   Dec-03-03 08:30 AM   #114 
  - Who better understands the horros of war  Hep   Dec-03-03 08:58 AM   #117 
  - I don't get it. Doesn't everyone who gets drafted NOT want to go to war?  dkf   Dec-03-03 10:31 AM   #123 
  - Will this attitude change if Bush reinstitutes the draft?  dansolo   Dec-03-03 11:48 AM   #124 
  - Exactly.  Darth_Ole   Dec-03-03 12:57 PM   #140 
  - THat's a great question.... if a new draft becomes an issue  TLM   Dec-03-03 01:06 PM   #143 
  - actually....if i may add  brent of rppper   Dec-04-03 07:19 PM   #146 
  - Yes & No.  Silverhair   Dec-06-03 09:13 AM   #151 
     - It's really hurt him so far  Hep   Dec-06-03 09:17 AM   #152 
 

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