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54. I actually think it may have started out that way
Back when Dean was a blip in the polls but obviously had some grassroots going for him, the Repubs may have pegged him as their favorite/easiest to beat. An anti-war ultra-liberal? A dream come true! After all, popular opinion back then was just starting to shift against the war, but Bush was still confident that we would win the hearts and minds and be the Great Liberators. (Remember when Rummy was suggesting that we were just getting "our hair mussed" in Iraq?)

Kerry was the presumed frontrunner at the time, and I imagine their long time hatred of John Kerry -- the whole "regime change" comment aside, he's been a thorn in their side for years -- would motivate them to prop someone else up.

I don't think they counted on Dean's huge groundswell, his support from inside and outside of the party, from new voters, young voters, old voters, liberal and moderate voters, fiscal conservatives, independents, minorities, southerners, even some Repubs who have tired of Bush.

I think their laughter has turned quite nervous when it comes to Howard Dean.

Not the first time that these jokers have miscalculated.

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  -Dispelling a popular Dean/DU myth Closer  Dec-02-03 11:07 AM   #0 
  - nope, sure doesn't  slinkerwink   Dec-02-03 11:12 AM   #1 
  - what if they are convinced they got what they wanted?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 11:24 AM   #13 
     - See entry 12  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:26 AM   #15 
        - see 17,,,why would they wait?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 11:43 AM   #33 
  - I've always believed  CMT   Dec-02-03 11:12 AM   #2 
  - I think that Dean's organization and fund-raising  HereSince1628   Dec-02-03 11:22 AM   #9 
  - You make a good point. And this visit might be a preliminary  janx   Dec-02-03 01:22 PM   #71 
  - I think they're beginning to realize that Dean will be tougher to beat  gore-is-my-president   Dec-02-03 09:57 PM   #98 
  - That meme's the tip of the iceberg.  Octafish   Dec-02-03 11:12 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-03 11:18 AM   #5 
  - Thanks. Better to dump Ho-Ho now than find out Nov. 3, 2004.  Octafish   Dec-02-03 11:31 AM   #24 
     - Example of Dean's knowledge about education policy  hey2370   Dec-02-03 12:19 PM   #52 
     - The student actually asked about civics education  mandyky   Dec-02-03 12:48 PM   #64 
  - Except...  Amerikav60   Dec-02-03 11:23 AM   #10 
  - Agreed.  Octafish   Dec-02-03 11:35 AM   # 
     - I hate it when we agree (LOL)  Amerikav60   Dec-02-03 11:55 AM   #36 
  - Nope  HawkeyeX   Dec-02-03 11:29 AM   #21 
     - Good point, but AWOL will say that issue's been "vetted."  Octafish   Dec-02-03 11:39 AM   #29 
     - AWOL issue is dead  jmaier   Dec-02-03 12:15 PM   #49 
        - Are you high?  Sterling   Dec-02-03 07:52 PM   #91 
  - Because they are satisfied Dean will be the nominee and the media teflon  blm   Dec-02-03 11:17 AM   #4 
  - Hmmm, ok  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:24 AM   #12 
     - i don't know what he or she tthinks but that works for me.  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 11:28 AM   #17 
     - Umm, when responding to them  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:31 AM   #23 
        - my apologies......the writer of the posts is off screen to the right  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:05 PM   # 
     - No...I said THEY are satisfied...however many dems are NOT.  blm   Dec-02-03 11:35 AM   #26 
     - The idea is to identify the Dem nominee  Cogito   Dec-02-03 12:35 PM   #58 
        - Exactly.  blm   Dec-02-03 01:18 PM   #70 
        - Dean said he'll release his records....  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-02-03 09:39 PM   #95 
           - Hate that he compares himself to Bush. We are looking for someone BETTER  gore-is-my-president   Dec-02-03 10:04 PM   #99 
  - Republicans Wanting Dean or Any Other Particular Is A Myth  LoneStarLiberal   Dec-02-03 11:19 AM   #6 
  - Gray Davis WANTED To Run Against Simon & Not Riordan  cryingshame   Dec-02-03 12:05 PM   #45 
  - please don't take offense but imho, your thinking is niave  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:15 PM   #50 
     - Not really, Bear  mikehiggins   Dec-02-03 12:35 PM   #59 
  - As a Dean supporter myself  lastliberalintexas   Dec-02-03 11:20 AM   #7 
  - Just a question, completely off-topic  returnable   Dec-02-03 11:24 AM   #11 
  - Good question  lastliberalintexas   Dec-02-03 11:39 AM   #30 
     - You have my sympathies  returnable   Dec-02-03 11:58 AM   #39 
     - Lonely In The Lone Star State  LoneStarLiberal   Dec-02-03 12:27 PM   #56 
  - does anyone remember what holiday or month that parade was in?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:30 PM   #57 
  - There was an article in my local paper  JNelson6563   Dec-02-03 11:22 AM   #8 
  - Well, if Dean had a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, and 3 Purple Hearts  NewYorkerfromMass   Dec-02-03 11:26 AM   #14 
  - And no charisma  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:29 AM   #20 
  - Exactimundo!  HawkeyeX   Dec-02-03 11:36 AM   #28 
     - LOL  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:40 AM   #31 
     - No...he would NOT. He appears more presidential  blm   Dec-02-03 12:04 PM   #43 
        - Oh so here we go with the "GQ"-ization of the Dem nominee  Scott Lee   Dec-02-03 02:06 PM   #73 
     - Jeez... he's not that bad-looking...  Anaxamander   Dec-02-03 11:55 AM   #37 
     - THAT is a personal attack and a bash.  blm   Dec-02-03 12:00 PM   #41 
     - Funny, you were silent when all the Dean photos were the  Scott Lee   Dec-02-03 02:08 PM   #75 
        - I don't even click on those threads.  blm   Dec-02-03 05:02 PM   #80 
           - So you're half informed, in other words.  Scott Lee   Dec-02-03 05:18 PM   #82 
              - No. I don't click on threads that attack Dean personally.  blm   Dec-02-03 06:01 PM   #88 
              - how do you know without looking? Many titles are deceptive  Scott Lee   Dec-02-03 07:41 PM   #89 
                 - Are you a collection agent? You really have no clue when you go too far  blm   Dec-02-03 07:55 PM   #92 
              - Uh, Scott the offer for wit instruction still stands  mitchum   Dec-02-03 07:48 PM   #90 
     - Impressive argument  sangh0   Dec-02-03 12:09 PM   #47 
        - Impressive reply  Forkboy   Dec-02-03 09:50 PM   #97 
  - Kerry?  JNelson6563   Dec-02-03 01:04 PM   #68 
  - The 1 bad thing about a Dean presidency  mrgorth   Dec-02-03 11:27 AM   #16 
  - Dean vs. Bush  HawkeyeX   Dec-02-03 11:32 AM   #25 
     - Yep, lots of moderate Rs sick of Jr  JNelson6563   Dec-02-03 01:03 PM   #67 
  - they aren't taking him with a grain of salt  Bombtrack   Dec-02-03 11:28 AM   #18 
  - C'mon closer  mrgorth   Dec-02-03 11:28 AM   #19 
  - LOL  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:35 AM   #27 
  - As a loyal Democrat....  AWD   Dec-02-03 11:30 AM   #22 
  - Bravo, that post should close this thread.  Sterling   Dec-02-03 08:04 PM   #93 
  - Right on some points, fishy on others.  poskonig   Dec-02-03 11:41 AM   #32 
  - But you didn't address my question...  Closer   Dec-02-03 11:46 AM   #34 
  - I don't know.  poskonig   Dec-02-03 11:56 AM   #38 
  - Oh come on...  Closer   Dec-02-03 12:07 PM   #46 
  - why not????????  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:23 PM   #53 
  - funneling is not necessary  Bombtrack   Dec-02-03 11:54 AM   #35 
     - I believe that a handful of Republicans might have sent Dean money  Amerikav60   Dec-02-03 11:58 AM   #40 
     - I agree about "the major way"  robbedvoter   Dec-02-03 12:18 PM   #51 
        - Maybe you are right  Amerikav60   Dec-02-03 12:25 PM   #55 
     - did you read that freeper thread?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:45 PM   #62 
     - ooops dupe  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:45 PM   #63 
  - Gillespie the ad maker?  mikehiggins   Dec-02-03 12:01 PM   #42 
  - Again, this is so easily dispelled  RetroLounge   Dec-02-03 12:04 PM   #44 
  - I actually think it may have started out that way  Amerikav60   Dec-02-03 12:23 PM   #54 
  - geeeeze...i love CMB and AL and DK but  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:54 PM   #65 
  - I answered that 2 weeks ago here:  robbedvoter   Dec-02-03 12:14 PM   #48 
  - HAHA, the Dean Camp MUST read DU  Closer   Dec-02-03 12:37 PM   #60 
  - or else they watch fox  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 12:56 PM   #66 
  - I'll love to attend that  slinkerwink   Dec-02-03 02:08 PM   #74 
  - Sounds like repug Bushit to me  Kanola   Dec-02-03 12:41 PM   #61 
  - it's more of a guess than a myth  Cocoa   Dec-02-03 01:13 PM   #69 
  - Dean's being blasted on the RNC's website  farmbo   Dec-02-03 01:43 PM   #72 
  - It's because they want Dean to run, donchanknow.  Scott Lee   Dec-02-03 02:10 PM   #76 
  - Because it plays into the "Dean is the nominee" foregone conclusion thing.  AP   Dec-02-03 02:12 PM   #77 
  - Another thing to consider is that although you have this one pieces of  AP   Dec-02-03 02:14 PM   #78 
  - Where is the information about this--besides the DFA news  janx   Dec-02-03 04:58 PM   #79 
  - They expect that he will be the opponet.  ArkDem   Dec-02-03 05:15 PM   #81 
  - Yes, damn that Dean. How dare he be the frontrunner?  Scott Lee   Dec-02-03 05:19 PM   #83 
     - UGH......How DARE he raise oodles of money to beat his opponents and Bush?  slinkerwink   Dec-02-03 05:34 PM   #84 
  - That doesn't mean anything of that nature  knight_of_the_star   Dec-02-03 05:40 PM   #85 
  - Karl Rove is scared of Dean  du_fan   Dec-02-03 05:45 PM   #86 
  - yeah......we know what we're going to be up against from the freepers  slinkerwink   Dec-02-03 05:51 PM   #87 
  - GOP in VT just a show...I've got Links and Pictures it is not a myth!  xultar   Dec-02-03 09:35 PM   #94 
     - now this is the most illogical post by you yet....  slinkerwink   Dec-02-03 09:44 PM   #96 

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