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Response to Reply #37
53. Evidence that in this case is heavily biased...
towards the policeman's position. This guy struck first and the returned blows from the cops at first seem resonable. But did any of us really see what happened?


O. J. Simpson got away with it. This case isn't as clear as some might believe. That being said the jury is still out.
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  -The beating death of the black man by police DrWeird  Dec-01-03 12:41 PM   #0 
  - Do police carry other means of restraint? (i.e., nets, or something that  LittleApple81   Dec-01-03 12:54 PM   #1 
  - no. night sticks and guns.  arewethereyet   Dec-01-03 09:52 PM   #122 
  - Have they determined the cause of death yet?  TSElliott   Dec-01-03 12:57 PM   #2 
  - Well it's not conclusive...  DrWeird   Dec-01-03 01:07 PM   #3 
  - It could also be...  TSElliott   Dec-01-03 01:12 PM   #4 
  - According to CNN, enlarged heart  alg0912   Dec-01-03 04:41 PM   #12 
     - So the beating had less to do with it than the exertion when he  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 04:45 PM   #15 
        - you got it  arewethereyet   Dec-01-03 09:53 PM   #124 
  - Autopsy came up with enlarged heart...  rasputin1952   Dec-01-03 09:28 PM   #104 
  - I love THIS...  Isome   Dec-01-03 01:46 PM   #5 
  - And I just loooove the psychics who think this is 'out and out murder'  Character Assassin   Dec-01-03 01:54 PM   #6 
  - Who said it was out & out murder... come forward please!!  Isome   Dec-01-03 04:43 PM   #13 
     - Please avail yourself to the categories in this poll up top.  Character Assassin   Dec-01-03 05:02 PM   #22 
     - No, it ought and will not... n/t  Isome   Dec-01-03 06:10 PM   #32 
        - Obviously some people think that it was....  Character Assassin   Dec-01-03 06:11 PM   #33 
           - Wrong-o ...oh' so presumptuous one...  Isome   Dec-01-03 06:58 PM   #35 
              - It seems clear to me that names are not particularly important.  Character Assassin   Dec-01-03 07:04 PM   #37 
                 - Again with the presumption ...  Isome   Dec-01-03 07:17 PM   #39 
                 - Crisis assessment...  Karenina   Dec-01-03 07:31 PM   #46 
                    - Nets are not standard gear for cops  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:34 PM   #49 
                    - "Nets are not standard gear for cops"  Karenina   Dec-01-03 07:42 PM   #54 
                       - Using just a net would require a great deal of training and practice  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:55 PM   #63 
                          - Using a net... too much training...  Isome   Dec-01-03 08:03 PM   #67 
                          - If one is stupid enough to attack a cop  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:06 PM   #68 
                             - I certainly hope the investigators of this case aren't as  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 08:55 PM   #82 
                             - Yes, I would  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:57 PM   #84 
                                - Sorry, Walt, but that's tragically misguided  jobycom   Dec-02-03 12:37 AM   #191 
                                - If you saw the video  ritc2750   Dec-02-03 02:59 PM   #226 
                                - big tough words that don't ring true  SemperEadem   Dec-02-03 03:20 PM   #231 
                             - Yeah... like the WACO nuts...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:09 PM   #93 
                                - Yep, the WACO nuts fired upon officers  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:12 PM   #96 
                                   - Yeah...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:38 PM   #109 
                                      - Cry for the fucking criminal who died all you want  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:41 PM   #112 
                                      - Of course he did...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:49 PM   #120 
                                      - He assaulted a cop  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:51 PM   #121 
                                      - Medals... that's it...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:52 PM   #123 
                                      - Glad you agree with me now  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:55 PM   #125 
                                      - Oh' I almost forgot you're omnipotent in this case...  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:02 PM   # 
                                      - I'm going off the reports I've seen all day from multiple sources  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:05 PM   #134 
                                      - oh, the hourly reports on Faux?  SemperEadem   Dec-02-03 03:25 PM   #232 
                                      - They 'chose the path of least lethality'...  Ferretherder   Dec-02-03 07:03 AM   #209 
                          - Yeah, its better to just shoot people dead  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 08:57 PM   #83 
                             - In this case, it certainly would have been justified  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:00 PM   #86 
                    - Let him thrash around  Fescue4u   Dec-01-03 10:07 PM   #137 
                       - Who cares?  jeter   Dec-01-03 10:42 PM   #163 
                 - Evidence that in this case is heavily biased...  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 07:40 PM   #53 
                 - what does oj have to do with this?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 06:47 AM   #206 
                    - Well.  Nlighten1   Dec-02-03 07:09 AM   #210 
                    - OJ is always brought up when a famous black man is accused of a crime  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-02-03 07:39 AM   #215 
                       - I hear ya!  cat_girl25   Dec-02-03 04:40 PM   #238 
                 - or they choose not to believe the spin the police are putting on it  SemperEadem   Dec-02-03 03:10 PM   #228 
     - *here*  ultrafoil   Dec-02-03 01:40 AM   #197 
        - You obviously didn't even watch the video  Booberdawg   Dec-02-03 02:22 AM   #198 
           - Yeah  ultrafoil   Dec-02-03 02:33 AM   #199 
           - btw  ultrafoil   Dec-02-03 02:36 AM   #200 
              - You are incorrect  Booberdawg   Dec-02-03 02:43 AM   #203 
                 - No  ultrafoil   Dec-02-03 02:50 AM   #204 
                 - link?  bearfartinthewoods   Dec-02-03 07:39 AM   #216 
                 - Also , Booderag whatever  ultrafoil   Dec-02-03 02:57 AM   #205 
           - Huh'?  Isome   Dec-02-03 02:39 AM   #201 
  - I voted that way  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 04:36 PM   #10 
     - dupe  Isome   Dec-01-03 04:46 PM   #16 
     - I make a judgement call when I see these things  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 04:50 PM   #18 
        - "had more to do with him dying than the beating possibly"  Isome   Dec-01-03 04:59 PM   #21 
           - When you beat somebody up and they die  Nakedmonkey   Dec-01-03 05:04 PM   #23 
           - Nope, not when it's self defense  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:12 PM   #38 
              - Look like self-defense to me too.  DrWeird   Dec-01-03 07:19 PM   #40 
              - The cops did everything they could to avoid this  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:23 PM   #41 
              - dupe  DrWeird   Dec-01-03 07:26 PM   #43 
              - He continued to resist  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:28 PM   #45 
                 - I'd resist to if I were being beaten to death.  DrWeird   Dec-01-03 07:31 PM   #47 
                    - They did not execute him  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:36 PM   #51 
                       - Yeah, they did.  Nakedmonkey   Dec-01-03 07:45 PM   #58 
                          - Nope sorry  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:47 PM   #59 
                             - I can't respect anybody who apologizes for police brutality.  Nakedmonkey   Dec-01-03 07:52 PM   #61 
                                - The case where the cop punched the kid in California was police brutality  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:53 PM   #62 
              - No they didn't.  DrWeird   Dec-01-03 07:26 PM   #44 
              - trying to defend himself from being beaten to death ....  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:12 PM   #140 
              - Yeah... equal force too...  Isome   Dec-01-03 08:07 PM   #69 
                 - I see a huge man landing blows on cops  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:10 PM   #70 
                    - Noooooooo...  Isome   Dec-02-03 01:01 AM   #194 
           - Six cops to subdue a 400 lb man tanked up on coke and PCP  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:04 PM   #36 
              - And who are cops exactly? GODS?  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:17 PM   #147 
                 - Dude, goodbye  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:23 PM   #153 
                    - Dude, backatcha'!!  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:43 PM   #164 
     - Good for you...  Isome   Dec-01-03 04:46 PM   #17 
        - I would have chosen "The Asshole deserves the Darwin Award"  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:32 PM   #48 
  - Having watched the tape now, it did not appear excessive to me  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 04:22 PM   #7 
  - There are ways to confront and subdue an individual without violence.  Liberal_Guerilla   Dec-01-03 04:29 PM   #9 
  - Agree with you  jarab   Dec-01-03 05:15 PM   #25 
  - But he attacked them  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 05:17 PM   #27 
     - There's the rub. The instant this asshole attacked the police,...  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:58 PM   #65 
  - where is a link to the beating?  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 04:51 PM   #19 
  - Wolf just said, Coke, PCP, and an enlarged heart is what killed him.  Liberal_Guerilla   Dec-01-03 04:25 PM   #8 
  - Coke and PCP would explain why the guy could not be easily subdued  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 04:44 PM   #14 
  - I voted it was clearly too much force.  cat_girl25   Dec-01-03 04:39 PM   #11 
  - I live here in Cincy and this does not pass the smell test.  1songbird   Dec-01-03 04:58 PM   #20 
  - Get those guys a brown shirt!  Hubert Flottz   Dec-01-03 05:17 PM   #26 
  - It was unfortunate (film link here)  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 05:11 PM   #24 
  - If it's the one I saw on MSNBC, I thought he was spraying pepper spray  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 05:21 PM   #28 
  - also odd is about 3/4 the way through the first tape  salin   Dec-01-03 05:51 PM   #30 
  - see my other post about the odd thing  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 06:00 PM   #31 
     - put the two questions together  salin   Dec-01-03 06:13 PM   #34 
        - I agree.  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 07:34 PM   #50 
  - From the tape....  pbl   Dec-02-03 12:34 AM   #190 
     - Where did you see that in the tape?  Booberdawg   Dec-02-03 01:00 AM   #193 
  - timeline for something odd  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 05:30 PM   #29 
  - Why is it that tasers can be used on political protestors, but not drunks?  Terwilliger   Dec-01-03 07:23 PM   #42 
  - He wasn't a "drunk", he was a cokehead on PCP  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:42 PM   #55 
     - It's nice to be courageous about your beliefs...  Isome   Dec-01-03 08:17 PM   #71 
     - He had coke and PCP in his system  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:19 PM   #72 
        - Cokehead = addicted  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:50 PM   #167 
     - it seems a taser might have prevented this death  Terwilliger   Dec-01-03 08:23 PM   #73 
        - So you think this is a fake autopsy?  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:25 PM   #74 
        - he attacked the cops so they can beat on him now?  Terwilliger   Dec-01-03 09:17 PM   #99 
        - Yes,as soon as he attacked the cop they could freely use batons  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:37 PM   #108 
        - No, it's a PRELIMINARY autopsy -  Isome   Dec-02-03 01:21 AM   #196 
        - Given his heart condition...  ritc2750   Dec-02-03 03:12 PM   #229 
  - The police should have stepped a few feet away and let  Eric J in MN   Dec-01-03 07:40 PM   #52 
  - I agree.  Nlighten1   Dec-01-03 07:43 PM   #56 
  - Preliminary autopsy results say the blows had nothing to do with his death  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 07:44 PM   #57 
     - I'm skeptical that there was no connection between his death  Eric J in MN   Dec-01-03 08:30 PM   #75 
        - I haven't heard anything about the pepper spray in autopsy reports  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:33 PM   #76 
           - er... by definition  salin   Dec-01-03 08:42 PM   #78 
           - Most successful suicides are unintentional  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:44 PM   #79 
              - then it isn't suicide it is an accident.  salin   Dec-01-03 09:40 PM   #111 
                 - The death certificate will still read "suicide" n/t  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:42 PM   #113 
           - Don't you think the stress of being pepper-sprayed and repeatedly clubbed  Eric J in MN   Dec-01-03 09:07 PM   #91 
           - The baton blows have already been ruled out  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:13 PM   #97 
           - Why not have a little sympathy. It could have been handled better. nt  Eric J in MN   Dec-02-03 12:17 AM   #188 
           - Pepper spray  solinvictus   Dec-01-03 09:17 PM   #98 
           - well, duh--that's because the final autospy reports hasn't been filed  SemperEadem   Dec-02-03 03:49 PM   #233 
  - Granted, this was clearly a stupid man who made stupid decisions  GloriaSmith   Dec-01-03 07:49 PM   #60 
  - He chose to escalate by attacking the police  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:01 PM   #66 
  - The thing that burns me up  CWebster   Dec-01-03 07:57 PM   #64 
  - The reason being...  SmokeyBlues   Dec-01-03 08:40 PM   #77 
     - *lmao*  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:22 PM   #102 
     - That *is* funny...  newyorican   Dec-01-03 10:59 PM   #171 
     - Please stop coddling the bad guys!  SmokeyBlues   Dec-02-03 12:29 AM   #189 
        - "he was a speedy 5'6" 400 pounds..."  Isome   Dec-02-03 01:12 AM   #195 
     - You mean like gestapo?  CWebster   Dec-02-03 06:59 AM   #208 
  - Nathaniel Jones  solinvictus   Dec-01-03 08:48 PM   #80 
  - Welcome to the thread  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 08:49 PM   #81 
  - I voted that it was justified force  vdeputy   Dec-01-03 08:59 PM   #85 
  - Thank you for your service  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:03 PM   #88 
  - Typical murder of a black man by police  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 09:03 PM   #87 
  - Shot?!?!  solinvictus   Dec-01-03 09:08 PM   #92 
  - Read much...  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:56 PM   #169 
  - I've seen a white man nearly fired upon by two sherriff's deputies  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:10 PM   #94 
     - have you seen a white man beaten to death by the cops?  Terwilliger   Dec-01-03 09:19 PM   #100 
     - As a follow-up to your question  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 09:24 PM   #103 
     - This guy was not beaten to death  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:31 PM   #105 
     - Yep  solinvictus   Dec-01-03 09:36 PM   #107 
        - One... that's not enough...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:43 PM   #115 
           - The reason you don't hear about white men being killed by cops is  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:46 PM   #116 
              - *lol*  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:05 PM   #133 
              - It's not that they don't say anything  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:16 PM   #146 
                 - That comment was tinged with prejudice and the "R" word  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 10:37 PM   #157 
                    - The media plays the "race card"  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:41 PM   #161 
                       - There is no "race card"  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 11:00 PM   #172 
                          - That may be true in other cases  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 11:04 PM   # 
              - "He got what he deserved"  Forkboy   Dec-02-03 12:45 AM   #192 
     - A black man wouldn't have gotten that far and you know it  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 09:22 PM   #101 
        - Where I saw this, no way  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:35 PM   #106 
           - Darwin Awards are funny...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:46 PM   #117 
              - He died for his own stupidity  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:47 PM   #118 
                 - Hey, I like that repetition thing you got going...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:57 PM   #127 
                    - When I see the repetition on this thread  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:59 PM   #128 
                       - Oh' really... race baiting...  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:47 PM   #166 
  - WHY did they stop him in the first place?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 09:06 PM   #89 
  - He was asleep in front of a White Castle restaurant  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:07 PM   #90 
  - You seem to have formed your opinion  1songbird   Dec-01-03 10:00 PM   #129 
     - If there is 90 seconds missing  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:13 PM   #142 
        - Thanks, I intend to make updates as more information comes out.  1songbird   Dec-01-03 10:21 PM   #152 
  - And then...  solinvictus   Dec-01-03 09:12 PM   #95 
  - you fight the police, you get what you deserve...  evil_orange_cat   Dec-01-03 09:39 PM   #110 
  - You would have to know the history of Cincy  1songbird   Dec-01-03 09:43 PM   #114 
     - History or not, assaulting law enforcement officers is stupid  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 09:49 PM   #119 
        - Being a Black male...  Isome   Dec-01-03 09:55 PM   #126 
        - If he had not assaulted the officers  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:02 PM   #130 
        - and OJ was innocent right? pfft.  evil_orange_cat   Dec-01-03 10:02 PM   #131 
           - Oh God! Let's not get started on OJ!  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 10:06 PM   #136 
           - O.J. was innocent?!  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:09 PM   #139 
        - No history is extremely relevant because  1songbird   Dec-01-03 10:16 PM   #145 
           - I don't buy it  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:34 PM   #155 
  - What this case is vividly showing, is the physical version of the  Solomon   Dec-01-03 10:04 PM   #132 
  - The Rodney King case was iffy  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:08 PM   #138 
  - "If there was no further blows"  Solomon   Dec-01-03 10:15 PM   #143 
  - I'm going off the tape  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:19 PM   #149 
  - Therefore, after "the point where they had him subdued"  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 10:20 PM   #150 
     - Exactly  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:29 PM   #154 
  - They did not beat him to death  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 10:15 PM   #144 
  - Forget it Solomon, it won't happen.  Isome   Dec-01-03 10:40 PM   #160 
     - Isome. I know I irritate them but I gotta keep at it until  Solomon   Dec-02-03 12:08 AM   #185 
  - Looks justified  Fescue4u   Dec-01-03 10:05 PM   #135 
  - Justified  soleyprog   Dec-01-03 10:12 PM   #141 
  - "that boy just refused to be reasonable"  Solomon   Dec-01-03 10:18 PM   #148 
  - There's only one "if" in this case  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:20 PM   #151 
     - You guys are the ones with the "ifs".  Solomon   Dec-01-03 10:34 PM   #156 
     - White guys assault cops and white guys get the same treatment  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:38 PM   #158 
     - Wrong again  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 10:41 PM   #162 
        - Oh bull shit!  Walt Starr   Dec-01-03 10:44 PM   #165 
           - No, this isn't about race...  Isome   Dec-01-03 11:03 PM   #173 
     - The cops didnt kill him  Fescue4u   Dec-01-03 10:56 PM   #170 
     - no if about you  tinanator   Dec-02-03 02:40 AM   #202 
  - that "boy"?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-01-03 10:40 PM   #159 
  - I didnt see his birth certificate  Fescue4u   Dec-01-03 10:54 PM   #168 
  - It comes out at the damnest times doesn't it! n/t  Isome   Dec-01-03 11:04 PM   #174 
     - What are you trying to imply?  Fescue4u   Dec-01-03 11:18 PM   #177 
        - Imply...  Isome   Dec-01-03 11:25 PM   #178 
           - uh huh  Fescue4u   Dec-02-03 12:10 AM   #186 
  - If you're local then  1songbird   Dec-01-03 11:07 PM   #175 
     - Actually I didnt hear that  Fescue4u   Dec-01-03 11:16 PM   #176 
     - Yes the ACLU wants to know  1songbird   Dec-01-03 11:42 PM   #179 
     - You should know.  ultrafoil   Dec-02-03 12:10 AM   #187 
     - I'd like to see the other 90 seconds too  Booberdawg   Dec-01-03 11:49 PM   #181 
        - The 90 seconds has to be cleared up.  1songbird   Dec-01-03 11:57 PM   #182 
  - Forgive me for not reading this thread. A couple of points though.  chaska   Dec-01-03 11:43 PM   #180 
  - No you can't let the CPD sit on folks here.  1songbird   Dec-02-03 12:02 AM   #184 
  - Poor baby six cops  ultrafoil   Dec-01-03 11:59 PM   #183 
  - I watched the whole tape  Loonman   Dec-02-03 06:56 AM   #207 
  - This is so contrived..  CWebster   Dec-02-03 07:15 AM   #212 
  - Whatever  Loonman   Dec-02-03 07:16 AM   #213 
  - How did the cops know he was on PCP and coke?  Nlighten1   Dec-02-03 07:17 AM   #214 
  - "hopped up on PCP..."  Isome   Dec-02-03 04:44 PM   #239 
  - I'm sorry he died, BUT...  Padraig18   Dec-02-03 07:10 AM   #211 
  - All the cops had to do was shoot the fool in both legs  opihimoimoi   Dec-02-03 10:09 AM   #217 
  - They just finished discussing this on WGN-AM radio (Chicago)...  Padraig18   Dec-02-03 11:19 AM   #218 
     - It simply amazes me that every SINGLE one of these  CWebster   Dec-02-03 11:26 AM   #220 
        - Hmmm...  Padraig18   Dec-02-03 11:32 AM   #221 
        - Dupe  Padraig18   Dec-02-03 11:32 AM   #222 
  - I heard a revision earlier which said...  pbl   Dec-02-03 03:16 PM   #230 
  - I ADMIT IT, I WAS WRONG!!!!!  Walt Starr   Dec-02-03 11:22 AM   #219 
  - What I will concede, since it is a recurring theme in this thread,  Booberdawg   Dec-02-03 02:02 PM   #223 
  - Oh' gawwwd...  Isome   Dec-02-03 03:01 PM   #227 
     - I apologize to you  Walt Starr   Dec-02-03 03:53 PM   #234 
  - We went through this in Detroit, we just didn't have it on video  noonwitch   Dec-02-03 02:29 PM   #224 
  - Like I said, all the cops had to do is use mace, or, failing all other  opihimoimoi   Dec-02-03 02:50 PM   #225 
     - Unlike Monty Python, being shot in the leg with a big caliber  ArkDem   Dec-02-03 04:36 PM   #237 
  - I don't know.  durutti   Dec-02-03 04:11 PM   #235 
     - He got what he deserved for being stupid.  MISSDem   Dec-02-03 04:34 PM   #236 
        - "He deserved what he got."  Goldenboy   Dec-02-03 05:30 PM   #240 
           - It makes you wonder...  Isome   Dec-02-03 08:26 PM   #241 
 

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