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I have no TV, don't live in a place where anybody campaigns or does fund raisers and am one of about four Democrats in the county. I've never seen Clark in person or even heard his voice. I don't see how I could have been exposed to some sort of mind controlling ubercharm. What I know of Clark is what I've found out by research and reading. On those basis I currently support his run for the Democratic nomination and would enjoy voting for him for president.
If those who find Clark anathema and claim there are smoking guns to be found would point me to them I'd be glad to give them the same consideration I'v given other points of view. I registered on anncoulter.com and behaved nicely for a few weeks just to find out what those folks are all about; I'd be happy to give others the same consideration. Please don't point me to idealogue rants or tin foil hat gibberish. I prefer source documents with references sited. Don't assume the correctness of an analysis and then support your assumptions with selected news stories. Just provide the raw information and let me make up my mind.
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| -This Deanie Asks: Could Wesley Clark Be the Dems Answer to Ronald Reagan? |
David Zephyr |
Nov-25-03 08:26 PM |
#0 |
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David, You've Really Expressed It So Beautifully Here |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:30 PM |
#1 |
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Don't apologize, David. Clark has warmth and charisma... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:31 PM |
#2 |
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I bet his ""Q"" factor is even higher in the south. |
billbuckhead |
Nov-25-03 08:32 PM |
#3 |
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Some clown sitting in for Rush a couple of weeks ago.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:34 PM |
#5 |
| -
We're supposed to choose a president like they cast TV shows? |
aquart |
Nov-25-03 08:49 PM |
#19 |
| -
What Do You Think Elections Are, Sir? |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 08:53 PM |
#24 |
| -
Exactly... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:38 AM |
#117 |
| -
Welcome To The Forum, Sir! |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:46 AM |
#119 |
| -
We Should Choose a President Who Can WIN |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:53 PM |
#25 |
| -
You, like many of your brethren... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:54 PM |
#26 |
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It Is Certainly Possible, Mr. Zephyr |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 08:33 PM |
#4 |
| -
exactly |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:24 PM |
#66 |
| -
P.S. David. Your PM mailbox is going to be very active... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:35 PM |
#6 |
| -
Quite possibly |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-25-03 08:37 PM |
#7 |
| -
He's much more than Reagan. Dean is a good man and... |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#8 |
| -
You putting way too much into the patriotism stuff... |
bowens43 |
Nov-25-03 09:04 PM |
#32 |
| -
Who do you support? |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Nov-25-03 09:12 PM |
#39 |
| -
Oh, Do Be Serious, Mr. Bowens |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 10:05 PM |
#59 |
| -
Hitler knew all about the power of nationalism |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 06:58 AM |
#136 |
| -
So now Clark is Hitler? |
RandomUser |
Nov-26-03 08:31 AM |
#139 |
| -
you're wrong |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:34 PM |
#71 |
| -
Right |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 11:07 PM |
#85 |
| -
Not quite... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:47 AM |
#120 |
| -
You see, they don't care about this |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 06:53 AM |
#135 |
| -
The Reactionary Right, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 11:24 AM |
#156 |
| -
Excellent post! |
GOPBasher |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#9 |
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Amazingly, I too have come to this conclusion. |
MasonJar |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#10 |
| -
That my friends, |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:51 AM |
#121 |
| -
Gee Whizzzzz |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#11 |
| -
Wow, that's excellent |
bicentennial_baby |
Nov-25-03 08:44 PM |
#12 |
| -
Ronald Reagan is a myth. A fiction of mass hysteria. |
aquart |
Nov-25-03 08:44 PM |
#13 |
| -
I'm Sorry You SO BADLY Missed the Entire Point of His Post |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:45 PM |
#15 |
| -
since when is our 2004 |
drfemoe |
Nov-25-03 10:38 PM |
#73 |
| -
Are You Kidding? Charm, Persuasiveness Are Perhaps THE Most Important |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 03:13 AM |
#127 |
| -
Ronald Reagan |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:43 PM |
#75 |
| -
Clark Isn't Perfect- But He Sure Has A Moderate Image |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 08:44 PM |
#14 |
| -
Clark |
salinen |
Nov-25-03 08:50 PM |
#20 |
| -
Wes Clark... Ronald Reagan with a brain. |
xray s |
Nov-25-03 08:46 PM |
#16 |
| -
Raygun with a brain, a heart, a soul and not just a movie hero |
robbedvoter |
Nov-26-03 03:20 AM |
#128 |
| -
Slogan if Clark is nominated: "Clark's Q vs Bush's IQ - your choice" |
Bucky |
Nov-25-03 08:47 PM |
#17 |
| -
Bucky, you've said a mouth full.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:57 PM |
#27 |
| -
yes on the charm, no on the Reagan |
Cocoa |
Nov-25-03 08:47 PM |
#18 |
| -
I agree. He's like Clinton, but without the baggage. |
Tatiana |
Nov-25-03 09:00 PM |
#29 |
| -
I know |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 09:07 PM |
#35 |
| -
Don't forget congressional coattails! |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 09:10 PM |
#38 |
| -
the elusive Mormon handyman vote |
Cocoa |
Nov-25-03 09:24 PM |
#42 |
| -
clark/edwards |
rumguy |
Nov-25-03 10:59 PM |
#83 |
| -
Wait a minute! Et tu Cocoa? |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 09:00 AM |
#144 |
| -
Mormon handyman |
drfemoe |
Nov-25-03 10:47 PM |
#76 |
| -
Well stated, Jerseycoa. |
coalminersdaughter |
Nov-26-03 09:29 AM |
#147 |
| -
Thank you |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-26-03 07:44 PM |
#182 |
| -
Compared with *... |
TomNickell |
Nov-25-03 09:57 PM |
#55 |
| -
No |
Pastiche423 |
Nov-25-03 08:50 PM |
#21 |
| -
Your buddy Danny has it |
DrBB |
Nov-25-03 08:51 PM |
#22 |
| -
I Cannot Tell You How Many Republican and Independent Voters I Know |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:53 PM |
#23 |
| -
Unfortunately for me my husband is a Repug and... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-25-03 09:02 PM |
#31 |
| -
You can include my parents in that one |
DrBB |
Nov-25-03 09:26 PM |
#43 |
| -
So true... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 02:01 AM |
#123 |
| -
I've had similar experiences |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:04 PM |
#160 |
| -
Exactly |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 02:44 PM |
#165 |
| -
You're right |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:53 PM |
#79 |
| -
Too much is at stake for us to gamble in 2004 |
_Jumper_ |
Nov-25-03 08:59 PM |
#28 |
| -
Right. If we nominate the guy the polls show is the least.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 09:01 PM |
#30 |
| -
Wes Clark is the man many Republicans wish they could be,if they weren't.. |
billbuckhead |
Nov-25-03 09:09 PM |
#36 |
| -
He was on as part of a segment on PBS/Lehrer tonight...sat down |
Gloria |
Nov-25-03 09:04 PM |
#33 |
| -
How did it go with Ifill? I know she was probably.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 09:05 PM |
#34 |
| -
Ifill was behaving herself....it was a very good exchange... |
Gloria |
Nov-25-03 09:18 PM |
#41 |
| -
I think I'm slowly bringing my parents around to Clark |
notmyprez |
Nov-25-03 09:09 PM |
#37 |
| -
What was it about last night's debate? |
darkstar |
Nov-25-03 09:53 PM |
#53 |
| -
More than Q |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 10:37 PM |
#72 |
| -
Yes, yes! It's his DUTY to run! |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:42 PM |
#74 |
| -
Hey ... |
darkstar |
Nov-25-03 11:09 PM |
#86 |
| -
this may sound dumb but |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 11:01 PM |
#84 |
| -
I picked up on that, too, |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-26-03 05:18 AM |
#129 |
| -
Rock On David!!!!!!!!! |
retyred |
Nov-25-03 09:18 PM |
#40 |
| -
I support Clark |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-25-03 09:27 PM |
#44 |
| -
Clark has Q on steroids! |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 09:37 PM |
#45 |
| -
We Need A Landslide So Electronic Voter Fraud Won't Work |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 09:43 PM |
#49 |
| -
I agree. I still don't know exactly what percentage of precincts |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 09:48 PM |
#51 |
| -
AMEN to that! We need a landslide in 2004. n/t |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-26-03 05:22 AM |
#130 |
| -
Good point. |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:09 PM |
#161 |
| -
David |
Eloriel |
Nov-25-03 09:39 PM |
#46 |
| -
Waah! |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 09:42 PM |
#47 |
| -
The Complaint, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 10:18 PM |
#64 |
| -
Exactly Right, as Usual, Sir |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:00 AM |
#105 |
| -
That's precisely why I voiced my concern |
Eloriel |
Nov-25-03 10:56 PM |
#82 |
| -
Oh, Well That's MUCH Better, Then |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 11:58 PM |
#102 |
| -
Please don't help hatas destroy an otherwise beautiful.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:38 PM |
#97 |
| -
Sorry About That |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 11:59 PM |
#103 |
| -
Skeletons? |
mjv135 |
Nov-25-03 10:09 PM |
#62 |
| -
throwaway lines |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 09:28 AM |
#146 |
| -
correction |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 09:40 AM |
#149 |
| -
Here is the deal |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-25-03 09:42 PM |
#48 |
| -
David, I couldn't agree more! |
in_cog_ni_to |
Nov-25-03 09:45 PM |
#50 |
| -
Great post David and I agree |
Ksec |
Nov-25-03 09:50 PM |
#52 |
| -
Yes - Clark is the neocons' worst nightmare |
Bundbuster |
Nov-25-03 09:56 PM |
#54 |
| -
You people are awesome. Another great post. Is this... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:34 PM |
#96 |
| -
Since I'm relatively new... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 02:12 AM |
#124 |
| -
here's a view of him I like (from a GQ article): |
robbedvoter |
Nov-25-03 09:58 PM |
#56 |
| -
AND, he knows how high the stakes are. |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:04 PM |
#58 |
| -
wow. Very good... |
economic justice |
Nov-25-03 10:00 PM |
#57 |
| -
Clark is a work in progress. The best thing about him is.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:31 PM |
#95 |
| -
The Emperors New Flight Suit. |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-25-03 10:07 PM |
#60 |
| -
Well Said, Mr. Rinaldo! |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 10:22 PM |
#65 |
| -
Really great post, TR! |
darkstar |
Nov-25-03 10:28 PM |
#68 |
| -
Mr. Rinaldo |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 11:12 PM |
#89 |
| -
Again, You Are Such a Welcome Addition to This Board |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 11:59 PM |
#104 |
| -
You're such a wonderfully articulate writer. |
Tatiana |
Nov-26-03 01:35 AM |
#115 |
| -
You, my friend... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 02:18 AM |
#126 |
| -
Thank you all. But... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-26-03 10:16 AM |
#154 |
| -
Outstanding! |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:17 PM |
#162 |
| -
wow I don't know who you are but what you say is brilliant |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 03:27 PM |
#170 |
| -
Like Reagan he can cause a realignment |
andym |
Nov-25-03 10:08 PM |
#61 |
| -
Yes, Thank You |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:17 PM |
#63 |
| -
Wow! I have rarely seen such brilliant extemporaneous posts as |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:25 PM |
#67 |
| -
This is a great thread, isn't it? It's like a spiritual awakening.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:45 PM |
#98 |
| -
Seriously, This Is Probably the Best Thread I Can Remember |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:02 AM |
#107 |
| -
This thread is the Republican wing nuts worst nightmare come true n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-25-03 10:32 PM |
#69 |
| -
I agree Clark made a great showing |
drfemoe |
Nov-25-03 10:33 PM |
#70 |
| -
Why do we need a Democratic "Reagan"? |
andym |
Nov-25-03 10:49 PM |
#78 |
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It's just a metaphor, relating to Clark's charisma, which is huge. |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:56 PM |
#81 |
| -
You got it, andym! We have to beat them at their own game. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:28 PM |
#93 |
| -
I can't tell you how wrong you are. |
BillyBunter |
Nov-25-03 11:14 PM |
#91 |
| -
Fantastic Post |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:01 AM |
#106 |
| -
Well Said, Mr. Bunter! |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:07 AM |
#111 |
| -
Thanks, David |
cally |
Nov-25-03 10:49 PM |
#77 |
| -
wow- great post! |
gore-is-my-president |
Nov-25-03 10:55 PM |
#80 |
| -
Why not a democratic Bush? |
zeemike |
Nov-25-03 11:11 PM |
#87 |
| -
Jeb will become president if bush wins in 2004. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:25 PM |
#92 |
| -
Actually I was being sarcastic. |
zeemike |
Nov-25-03 11:31 PM |
#94 |
| -
Clark's Q factor so high they should call him Qlark. |
MIMStigator |
Nov-25-03 11:11 PM |
#88 |
| -
LOL! |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:43 AM |
#108 |
| -
ROFLAMO! |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:40 PM |
#164 |
| -
Current Dean Meetup Host and I agree! |
usregimechange |
Nov-25-03 11:14 PM |
#90 |
| -
NO |
artr2 |
Nov-25-03 11:46 PM |
#99 |
| -
But yes....it is true... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-25-03 11:53 PM |
#100 |
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I've been seeing a Clark/Dean ticket since Clark announced. |
Liberal_Guerilla |
Nov-25-03 11:55 PM |
#101 |
| -
Clark did an excellent job Monday. |
fabius |
Nov-26-03 12:47 AM |
#109 |
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The comparison to Raygun is valid. |
Dr Satan |
Nov-26-03 12:58 AM |
#110 |
| -
Who Has No Enemies Has No Friends, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:16 AM |
#112 |
| -
Don't you just hate |
Mattforclark |
Nov-26-03 01:18 AM |
#113 |
| -
Tell it like it is |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 07:24 AM |
#138 |
| -
Clark is likable |
fujiyama |
Nov-26-03 01:34 AM |
#114 |
| -
More than Likeable. Clark is loveable. |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 11:31 AM |
#158 |
| -
Wow! Great conclusion, David! |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:36 AM |
#116 |
| -
I'd like to pull up a pew at your revival meeting! |
VolcanoJen |
Nov-26-03 01:44 AM |
#118 |
| -
Still Generally At My Stall Down In Israel v. Palestine, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:51 AM |
#122 |
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Charisma AND substance |
saoirse |
Nov-26-03 02:15 AM |
#125 |
| -
Clark is a Boy Scout |
OKNancy |
Nov-26-03 05:28 AM |
#131 |
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my concern |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-26-03 08:47 AM |
#143 |
| -
Excellent explanation of the Reagan phenomenon, David, and |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-26-03 06:15 AM |
#132 |
| -
Great analysis |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 09:51 AM |
#152 |
| -
Adding to "A Man for All Reasons" |
Donna Zen |
Nov-26-03 06:25 AM |
#133 |
| -
And the Reagan revolution |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 06:33 AM |
#134 |
| -
Yes, I lived through it |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-26-03 08:38 AM |
#142 |
| -
"Golden opportunity".. |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 09:33 AM |
#148 |
| -
Excellent Points |
REP |
Nov-26-03 07:15 AM |
#137 |
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I hate Ronald Reagan, so I hope not |
Hep |
Nov-26-03 08:33 AM |
#140 |
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Thank you for a excellent post, David |
RandomUser |
Nov-26-03 08:34 AM |
#141 |
| -
i like him too on a personal level |
buddhamama |
Nov-26-03 09:23 AM |
#145 |
| -
I've backed Dean with about $200 worth of support.... |
jab105 |
Nov-26-03 09:43 AM |
#150 |
| -
Clark is the new kid on the block--Jonny come lately |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 09:49 AM |
#151 |
| -
people who say things like this |
teevee |
Nov-26-03 11:10 AM |
#155 |
| -
Challenge |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 10:05 AM |
#153 |
| -
This Marks a Turn |
Jack_Dawson |
Nov-26-03 11:27 AM |
#157 |
| -
Bush has already revealed his hand with his ad. |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 11:35 AM |
#159 |
| -
I hope not. Reagan was an awful President |
RetroLounge |
Nov-26-03 12:32 PM |
#163 |
| -
I agree, David |
lumpy |
Nov-26-03 02:53 PM |
#166 |
| -
Thanks to All Who Understand the Spirit of This Thread |
David Zephyr |
Nov-26-03 03:06 PM |
#167 |
| -
Thanks Again for Posting This |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 03:11 PM |
#168 |
| -
So true |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-26-03 07:51 PM |
#183 |
| -
You're welcome, David. |
VolcanoJen |
Nov-26-03 03:58 PM |
#172 |
| -
Trust me David. If Dean is the nominee I will gladly vote.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 06:21 PM |
#179 |
| -
Comes down to honor, don't you think? |
linkrot |
Nov-26-03 03:14 PM |
#169 |
| -
Welcome to DU! But... |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 06:22 PM |
#180 |
| -
This has been the most incredible thread I've ever read on DU |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 03:51 PM |
#171 |
| -
just a great read this afternoon.. |
DemCam |
Nov-26-03 04:53 PM |
#173 |
| -
I agree. |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 04:59 PM |
#174 |
| -
John Hlinko of the draft movement put it best. He said... |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 06:25 PM |
#181 |
| -
This Deanocrat does NOT find Clark charismatic |
Larkspur |
Nov-26-03 05:00 PM |
#175 |
| -
Well this woman DOES find Clark charismatic, as well as |
notmyprez |
Nov-26-03 05:29 PM |
#176 |
| -
Polls have shown consistantly that Clark has a 3-to-1 gender gap |
Larkspur |
Dec-01-03 02:19 PM |
#196 |
| -
Not just 'Q' |
RichardRay |
Nov-26-03 06:05 PM |
#177 |
| -
I understand what you mean RR |
Donna Zen |
Nov-26-03 08:22 PM |
#185 |
| -
Clark/Dean = Dem Landslide victory! Most Repukes/Independents I know |
ElementaryPenguin |
Nov-26-03 06:20 PM |
#178 |
| -
Clark shouldn't be compared to that Repuke. |
AmericanDem |
Nov-26-03 08:18 PM |
#184 |
| -
Trading substance for glam - WTF |
Polemonium |
Nov-26-03 09:37 PM |
#186 |
| -
I bet Tsongas backers in 92 made similar arguments |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 09:40 PM |
#187 |
| -
a rediculous comparison |
Polemonium |
Nov-26-03 09:45 PM |
#188 |
| -
It is a cool thing |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 09:47 PM |
#189 |
| -
I hope so too |
Polemonium |
Nov-26-03 10:07 PM |
#190 |
| -
If substance over glam was the issue, Graham would still |
Kahuna |
Nov-28-03 07:22 PM |
#195 |
| -
Oh please, even Wesley Clark has to be better than THAT! |
leesa |
Nov-26-03 10:56 PM |
#191 |
| -
Why play their game? Here is why. Stooges or not they were both presidents |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-26-03 11:14 PM |
#192 |
| -
David, make sure you read this.... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-26-03 11:15 PM |
#193 |
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I've Already Read It. |
David Zephyr |
Nov-26-03 11:24 PM |
#194 |
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