| 32. You putting way too much into the patriotism stuff... |
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It's not that important to the American people. They know that the republican spin is just spin. What is important is getting a Democrat elected. We don't know that we would have that with Clark. I can't believe so many people fall in step behind this guy who has NO record. A guy who said that he would have been a republican if they would have him, a guy who showered praise on the bushies, a guy who spoke at republican fund raisers, a guy who did a complete about face on the Iraq war issue when he found out being opposed would play better with the base. I won't vote for him. I'll vote third party or stay home if Clark gets the nomination. The more I hear him speak, the more I see him , the more certain I am that he is a charlatan, an opportunist.
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| -This Deanie Asks: Could Wesley Clark Be the Dems Answer to Ronald Reagan? |
David Zephyr |
Nov-25-03 08:26 PM |
#0 |
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David, You've Really Expressed It So Beautifully Here |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:30 PM |
#1 |
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Don't apologize, David. Clark has warmth and charisma... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:31 PM |
#2 |
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I bet his ""Q"" factor is even higher in the south. |
billbuckhead |
Nov-25-03 08:32 PM |
#3 |
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Some clown sitting in for Rush a couple of weeks ago.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:34 PM |
#5 |
| -
We're supposed to choose a president like they cast TV shows? |
aquart |
Nov-25-03 08:49 PM |
#19 |
| -
What Do You Think Elections Are, Sir? |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 08:53 PM |
#24 |
| -
Exactly... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:38 AM |
#117 |
| -
Welcome To The Forum, Sir! |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:46 AM |
#119 |
| -
We Should Choose a President Who Can WIN |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:53 PM |
#25 |
| -
You, like many of your brethren... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:54 PM |
#26 |
| -
It Is Certainly Possible, Mr. Zephyr |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 08:33 PM |
#4 |
| -
exactly |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:24 PM |
#66 |
| -
P.S. David. Your PM mailbox is going to be very active... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:35 PM |
#6 |
| -
Quite possibly |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-25-03 08:37 PM |
#7 |
| -
He's much more than Reagan. Dean is a good man and... |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#8 |
| -
You putting way too much into the patriotism stuff... |
bowens43 |
Nov-25-03 09:04 PM |
#32 |
| -
Who do you support? |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Nov-25-03 09:12 PM |
#39 |
| -
Oh, Do Be Serious, Mr. Bowens |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 10:05 PM |
#59 |
| -
Hitler knew all about the power of nationalism |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 06:58 AM |
#136 |
| -
So now Clark is Hitler? |
RandomUser |
Nov-26-03 08:31 AM |
#139 |
| -
you're wrong |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:34 PM |
#71 |
| -
Right |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 11:07 PM |
#85 |
| -
Not quite... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:47 AM |
#120 |
| -
You see, they don't care about this |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 06:53 AM |
#135 |
| -
The Reactionary Right, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 11:24 AM |
#156 |
| -
Excellent post! |
GOPBasher |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#9 |
| -
Amazingly, I too have come to this conclusion. |
MasonJar |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#10 |
| -
That my friends, |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:51 AM |
#121 |
| -
Gee Whizzzzz |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 08:39 PM |
#11 |
| -
Wow, that's excellent |
bicentennial_baby |
Nov-25-03 08:44 PM |
#12 |
| -
Ronald Reagan is a myth. A fiction of mass hysteria. |
aquart |
Nov-25-03 08:44 PM |
#13 |
| -
I'm Sorry You SO BADLY Missed the Entire Point of His Post |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:45 PM |
#15 |
| -
since when is our 2004 |
drfemoe |
Nov-25-03 10:38 PM |
#73 |
| -
Are You Kidding? Charm, Persuasiveness Are Perhaps THE Most Important |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 03:13 AM |
#127 |
| -
Ronald Reagan |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:43 PM |
#75 |
| -
Clark Isn't Perfect- But He Sure Has A Moderate Image |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 08:44 PM |
#14 |
| -
Clark |
salinen |
Nov-25-03 08:50 PM |
#20 |
| -
Wes Clark... Ronald Reagan with a brain. |
xray s |
Nov-25-03 08:46 PM |
#16 |
| -
Raygun with a brain, a heart, a soul and not just a movie hero |
robbedvoter |
Nov-26-03 03:20 AM |
#128 |
| -
Slogan if Clark is nominated: "Clark's Q vs Bush's IQ - your choice" |
Bucky |
Nov-25-03 08:47 PM |
#17 |
| -
Bucky, you've said a mouth full.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 08:57 PM |
#27 |
| -
yes on the charm, no on the Reagan |
Cocoa |
Nov-25-03 08:47 PM |
#18 |
| -
I agree. He's like Clinton, but without the baggage. |
Tatiana |
Nov-25-03 09:00 PM |
#29 |
| -
I know |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 09:07 PM |
#35 |
| -
Don't forget congressional coattails! |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 09:10 PM |
#38 |
| -
the elusive Mormon handyman vote |
Cocoa |
Nov-25-03 09:24 PM |
#42 |
| -
clark/edwards |
rumguy |
Nov-25-03 10:59 PM |
#83 |
| -
Wait a minute! Et tu Cocoa? |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 09:00 AM |
#144 |
| -
Mormon handyman |
drfemoe |
Nov-25-03 10:47 PM |
#76 |
| -
Well stated, Jerseycoa. |
coalminersdaughter |
Nov-26-03 09:29 AM |
#147 |
| -
Thank you |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-26-03 07:44 PM |
#182 |
| -
Compared with *... |
TomNickell |
Nov-25-03 09:57 PM |
#55 |
| -
No |
Pastiche423 |
Nov-25-03 08:50 PM |
#21 |
| -
Your buddy Danny has it |
DrBB |
Nov-25-03 08:51 PM |
#22 |
| -
I Cannot Tell You How Many Republican and Independent Voters I Know |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 08:53 PM |
#23 |
| -
Unfortunately for me my husband is a Repug and... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-25-03 09:02 PM |
#31 |
| -
You can include my parents in that one |
DrBB |
Nov-25-03 09:26 PM |
#43 |
| -
So true... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 02:01 AM |
#123 |
| -
I've had similar experiences |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:04 PM |
#160 |
| -
Exactly |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 02:44 PM |
#165 |
| -
You're right |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:53 PM |
#79 |
| -
Too much is at stake for us to gamble in 2004 |
_Jumper_ |
Nov-25-03 08:59 PM |
#28 |
| -
Right. If we nominate the guy the polls show is the least.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 09:01 PM |
#30 |
| -
Wes Clark is the man many Republicans wish they could be,if they weren't.. |
billbuckhead |
Nov-25-03 09:09 PM |
#36 |
| -
He was on as part of a segment on PBS/Lehrer tonight...sat down |
Gloria |
Nov-25-03 09:04 PM |
#33 |
| -
How did it go with Ifill? I know she was probably.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 09:05 PM |
#34 |
| -
Ifill was behaving herself....it was a very good exchange... |
Gloria |
Nov-25-03 09:18 PM |
#41 |
| -
I think I'm slowly bringing my parents around to Clark |
notmyprez |
Nov-25-03 09:09 PM |
#37 |
| -
What was it about last night's debate? |
darkstar |
Nov-25-03 09:53 PM |
#53 |
| -
More than Q |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-25-03 10:37 PM |
#72 |
| -
Yes, yes! It's his DUTY to run! |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:42 PM |
#74 |
| -
Hey ... |
darkstar |
Nov-25-03 11:09 PM |
#86 |
| -
this may sound dumb but |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 11:01 PM |
#84 |
| -
I picked up on that, too, |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-26-03 05:18 AM |
#129 |
| -
Rock On David!!!!!!!!! |
retyred |
Nov-25-03 09:18 PM |
#40 |
| -
I support Clark |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-25-03 09:27 PM |
#44 |
| -
Clark has Q on steroids! |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 09:37 PM |
#45 |
| -
We Need A Landslide So Electronic Voter Fraud Won't Work |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 09:43 PM |
#49 |
| -
I agree. I still don't know exactly what percentage of precincts |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 09:48 PM |
#51 |
| -
AMEN to that! We need a landslide in 2004. n/t |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-26-03 05:22 AM |
#130 |
| -
Good point. |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:09 PM |
#161 |
| -
David |
Eloriel |
Nov-25-03 09:39 PM |
#46 |
| -
Waah! |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 09:42 PM |
#47 |
| -
The Complaint, My Friend |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 10:18 PM |
#64 |
| -
Exactly Right, as Usual, Sir |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:00 AM |
#105 |
| -
That's precisely why I voiced my concern |
Eloriel |
Nov-25-03 10:56 PM |
#82 |
| -
Oh, Well That's MUCH Better, Then |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 11:58 PM |
#102 |
| -
Please don't help hatas destroy an otherwise beautiful.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:38 PM |
#97 |
| -
Sorry About That |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 11:59 PM |
#103 |
| -
Skeletons? |
mjv135 |
Nov-25-03 10:09 PM |
#62 |
| -
throwaway lines |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 09:28 AM |
#146 |
| -
correction |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 09:40 AM |
#149 |
| -
Here is the deal |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-25-03 09:42 PM |
#48 |
| -
David, I couldn't agree more! |
in_cog_ni_to |
Nov-25-03 09:45 PM |
#50 |
| -
Great post David and I agree |
Ksec |
Nov-25-03 09:50 PM |
#52 |
| -
Yes - Clark is the neocons' worst nightmare |
Bundbuster |
Nov-25-03 09:56 PM |
#54 |
| -
You people are awesome. Another great post. Is this... |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:34 PM |
#96 |
| -
Since I'm relatively new... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 02:12 AM |
#124 |
| -
here's a view of him I like (from a GQ article): |
robbedvoter |
Nov-25-03 09:58 PM |
#56 |
| -
AND, he knows how high the stakes are. |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:04 PM |
#58 |
| -
wow. Very good... |
economic justice |
Nov-25-03 10:00 PM |
#57 |
| -
Clark is a work in progress. The best thing about him is.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:31 PM |
#95 |
| -
The Emperors New Flight Suit. |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-25-03 10:07 PM |
#60 |
| -
Well Said, Mr. Rinaldo! |
The Magistrate |
Nov-25-03 10:22 PM |
#65 |
| -
Really great post, TR! |
darkstar |
Nov-25-03 10:28 PM |
#68 |
| -
Mr. Rinaldo |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 11:12 PM |
#89 |
| -
Again, You Are Such a Welcome Addition to This Board |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-25-03 11:59 PM |
#104 |
| -
You're such a wonderfully articulate writer. |
Tatiana |
Nov-26-03 01:35 AM |
#115 |
| -
You, my friend... |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 02:18 AM |
#126 |
| -
Thank you all. But... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-26-03 10:16 AM |
#154 |
| -
Outstanding! |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:17 PM |
#162 |
| -
wow I don't know who you are but what you say is brilliant |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 03:27 PM |
#170 |
| -
Like Reagan he can cause a realignment |
andym |
Nov-25-03 10:08 PM |
#61 |
| -
Yes, Thank You |
HootieMcBoob |
Nov-25-03 10:17 PM |
#63 |
| -
Wow! I have rarely seen such brilliant extemporaneous posts as |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:25 PM |
#67 |
| -
This is a great thread, isn't it? It's like a spiritual awakening.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:45 PM |
#98 |
| -
Seriously, This Is Probably the Best Thread I Can Remember |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:02 AM |
#107 |
| -
This thread is the Republican wing nuts worst nightmare come true n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-25-03 10:32 PM |
#69 |
| -
I agree Clark made a great showing |
drfemoe |
Nov-25-03 10:33 PM |
#70 |
| -
Why do we need a Democratic "Reagan"? |
andym |
Nov-25-03 10:49 PM |
#78 |
| -
It's just a metaphor, relating to Clark's charisma, which is huge. |
saywhat |
Nov-25-03 10:56 PM |
#81 |
| -
You got it, andym! We have to beat them at their own game. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:28 PM |
#93 |
| -
I can't tell you how wrong you are. |
BillyBunter |
Nov-25-03 11:14 PM |
#91 |
| -
Fantastic Post |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:01 AM |
#106 |
| -
Well Said, Mr. Bunter! |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:07 AM |
#111 |
| -
Thanks, David |
cally |
Nov-25-03 10:49 PM |
#77 |
| -
wow- great post! |
gore-is-my-president |
Nov-25-03 10:55 PM |
#80 |
| -
Why not a democratic Bush? |
zeemike |
Nov-25-03 11:11 PM |
#87 |
| -
Jeb will become president if bush wins in 2004. |
Kahuna |
Nov-25-03 11:25 PM |
#92 |
| -
Actually I was being sarcastic. |
zeemike |
Nov-25-03 11:31 PM |
#94 |
| -
Clark's Q factor so high they should call him Qlark. |
MIMStigator |
Nov-25-03 11:11 PM |
#88 |
| -
LOL! |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 12:43 AM |
#108 |
| -
ROFLAMO! |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 12:40 PM |
#164 |
| -
Current Dean Meetup Host and I agree! |
usregimechange |
Nov-25-03 11:14 PM |
#90 |
| -
NO |
artr2 |
Nov-25-03 11:46 PM |
#99 |
| -
But yes....it is true... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-25-03 11:53 PM |
#100 |
| -
I've been seeing a Clark/Dean ticket since Clark announced. |
Liberal_Guerilla |
Nov-25-03 11:55 PM |
#101 |
| -
Clark did an excellent job Monday. |
fabius |
Nov-26-03 12:47 AM |
#109 |
| -
The comparison to Raygun is valid. |
Dr Satan |
Nov-26-03 12:58 AM |
#110 |
| -
Who Has No Enemies Has No Friends, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:16 AM |
#112 |
| -
Don't you just hate |
Mattforclark |
Nov-26-03 01:18 AM |
#113 |
| -
Tell it like it is |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 07:24 AM |
#138 |
| -
Clark is likable |
fujiyama |
Nov-26-03 01:34 AM |
#114 |
| -
More than Likeable. Clark is loveable. |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 11:31 AM |
#158 |
| -
Wow! Great conclusion, David! |
britpopper |
Nov-26-03 01:36 AM |
#116 |
| -
I'd like to pull up a pew at your revival meeting! |
VolcanoJen |
Nov-26-03 01:44 AM |
#118 |
| -
Still Generally At My Stall Down In Israel v. Palestine, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Nov-26-03 01:51 AM |
#122 |
| -
Charisma AND substance |
saoirse |
Nov-26-03 02:15 AM |
#125 |
| -
Clark is a Boy Scout |
OKNancy |
Nov-26-03 05:28 AM |
#131 |
| -
my concern |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-26-03 08:47 AM |
#143 |
| -
Excellent explanation of the Reagan phenomenon, David, and |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-26-03 06:15 AM |
#132 |
| -
Great analysis |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 09:51 AM |
#152 |
| -
Adding to "A Man for All Reasons" |
Donna Zen |
Nov-26-03 06:25 AM |
#133 |
| -
And the Reagan revolution |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 06:33 AM |
#134 |
| -
Yes, I lived through it |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-26-03 08:38 AM |
#142 |
| -
"Golden opportunity".. |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 09:33 AM |
#148 |
| -
Excellent Points |
REP |
Nov-26-03 07:15 AM |
#137 |
| -
I hate Ronald Reagan, so I hope not |
Hep |
Nov-26-03 08:33 AM |
#140 |
| -
Thank you for a excellent post, David |
RandomUser |
Nov-26-03 08:34 AM |
#141 |
| -
i like him too on a personal level |
buddhamama |
Nov-26-03 09:23 AM |
#145 |
| -
I've backed Dean with about $200 worth of support.... |
jab105 |
Nov-26-03 09:43 AM |
#150 |
| -
Clark is the new kid on the block--Jonny come lately |
CWebster |
Nov-26-03 09:49 AM |
#151 |
| -
people who say things like this |
teevee |
Nov-26-03 11:10 AM |
#155 |
| -
Challenge |
jayson23 |
Nov-26-03 10:05 AM |
#153 |
| -
This Marks a Turn |
Jack_Dawson |
Nov-26-03 11:27 AM |
#157 |
| -
Bush has already revealed his hand with his ad. |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 11:35 AM |
#159 |
| -
I hope not. Reagan was an awful President |
RetroLounge |
Nov-26-03 12:32 PM |
#163 |
| -
I agree, David |
lumpy |
Nov-26-03 02:53 PM |
#166 |
| -
Thanks to All Who Understand the Spirit of This Thread |
David Zephyr |
Nov-26-03 03:06 PM |
#167 |
| -
Thanks Again for Posting This |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Nov-26-03 03:11 PM |
#168 |
| -
So true |
Jerseycoa |
Nov-26-03 07:51 PM |
#183 |
| -
You're welcome, David. |
VolcanoJen |
Nov-26-03 03:58 PM |
#172 |
| -
Trust me David. If Dean is the nominee I will gladly vote.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 06:21 PM |
#179 |
| -
Comes down to honor, don't you think? |
linkrot |
Nov-26-03 03:14 PM |
#169 |
| -
Welcome to DU! But... |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 06:22 PM |
#180 |
| -
This has been the most incredible thread I've ever read on DU |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 03:51 PM |
#171 |
| -
just a great read this afternoon.. |
DemCam |
Nov-26-03 04:53 PM |
#173 |
| -
I agree. |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-26-03 04:59 PM |
#174 |
| -
John Hlinko of the draft movement put it best. He said... |
Kahuna |
Nov-26-03 06:25 PM |
#181 |
| -
This Deanocrat does NOT find Clark charismatic |
Larkspur |
Nov-26-03 05:00 PM |
#175 |
| -
Well this woman DOES find Clark charismatic, as well as |
notmyprez |
Nov-26-03 05:29 PM |
#176 |
| -
Polls have shown consistantly that Clark has a 3-to-1 gender gap |
Larkspur |
Dec-01-03 02:19 PM |
#196 |
| -
Not just 'Q' |
RichardRay |
Nov-26-03 06:05 PM |
#177 |
| -
I understand what you mean RR |
Donna Zen |
Nov-26-03 08:22 PM |
#185 |
| -
Clark/Dean = Dem Landslide victory! Most Repukes/Independents I know |
ElementaryPenguin |
Nov-26-03 06:20 PM |
#178 |
| -
Clark shouldn't be compared to that Repuke. |
AmericanDem |
Nov-26-03 08:18 PM |
#184 |
| -
Trading substance for glam - WTF |
Polemonium |
Nov-26-03 09:37 PM |
#186 |
| -
I bet Tsongas backers in 92 made similar arguments |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 09:40 PM |
#187 |
| -
a rediculous comparison |
Polemonium |
Nov-26-03 09:45 PM |
#188 |
| -
It is a cool thing |
rumguy |
Nov-26-03 09:47 PM |
#189 |
| -
I hope so too |
Polemonium |
Nov-26-03 10:07 PM |
#190 |
| -
If substance over glam was the issue, Graham would still |
Kahuna |
Nov-28-03 07:22 PM |
#195 |
| -
Oh please, even Wesley Clark has to be better than THAT! |
leesa |
Nov-26-03 10:56 PM |
#191 |
| -
Why play their game? Here is why. Stooges or not they were both presidents |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-26-03 11:14 PM |
#192 |
| -
David, make sure you read this.... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-26-03 11:15 PM |
#193 |
| -
I've Already Read It. |
David Zephyr |
Nov-26-03 11:24 PM |
#194 |
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