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Tue Nov-25-03 11:27 AM
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"It said ``anti-union repression'' was especially bad in the developing world, citing such countries as China, Indonesia, South Korea and Myanmar among Asian nations and Zimbabwe and Swaziland in Africa."
Is all this repression due to American training as well?
Repressive governments and brutality flower just fine without American intervention. In fact, the most brutal massacres and the most blatant disregard for human rights take place where there is NO professional officer corps, NO professional training. The Army can't change the basic nature of foreign trainees in a couple of months. But without this training, foreign officer corps are almost guarunteed to experience ZERO exposure to human rights-related training. The existence of a professional police and military are vital to the existence of a stable democracy.
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| -School of Americas is CLOSED 12/15/2000--Rebuttal |
xultar |
Nov-25-03 10:00 AM |
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They won't give up |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:01 AM |
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Actually, it wasn't closed, it was just renamed again in 2001 . . . |
ET Awful |
Nov-25-03 10:06 AM |
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Ok under it's new name there are Democratic and Republican |
xultar |
Nov-25-03 10:11 AM |
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So you LIED about the school being shut down |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:21 AM |
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The school is NOT closed |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:07 AM |
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intent |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:09 AM |
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Oh come on, we're not stupid - it was renamed! |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-25-03 10:12 AM |
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Did Clark |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:13 AM |
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intent |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:20 AM |
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Based on? |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:22 AM |
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It was just this last weekend that people protested there |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:30 AM |
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If any other candidates did some of the things Clark has.... |
TLM |
Nov-25-03 11:49 AM |
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Nope, but he was OK with the school and said they do good work there. |
TLM |
Nov-25-03 11:45 AM |
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I think this post exposes you |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 03:00 PM |
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Clark on SOA/WHISC -- From Tinoire's post below |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 03:13 PM |
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but what insinuations |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 03:27 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-25-03 10:17 AM |
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a few rotteers? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:19 AM |
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Prove Terwilliger- Produce The Syllabus |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 10:36 AM |
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The two military generals that overthrew Chavez attended the SOA |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:57 AM |
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Here's some details for you to start reconciling your denial... |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:03 AM |
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Great, many thanks for taking the time, IC. n/t |
Stone_Spirits |
Nov-25-03 11:14 AM |
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Once Again You Provide No Pertinent Facts- Just Usual Bullshit |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 11:20 AM |
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I don't give a shit about Clark with this!!! |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:27 AM |
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Do you have a link? |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 11:32 AM |
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Gladly. It's in my original post, but I'll repost it just for you... |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:34 AM |
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thanks |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 11:40 AM |
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No facts? He just gave you a book's worth of info on SOA |
TLM |
Nov-25-03 11:54 AM |
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But I didn't provide hard NUMBERS... |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:09 PM |
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You Are WRONG OF COURSE SO I'll Do The Work For You |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 12:47 PM |
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One last time, I'm not arguing about Clark |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:56 PM |
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Surprised you are not asleep yet |
CWebster |
Nov-25-03 01:03 PM |
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hmm.. |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 11:27 AM |
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But American intervention has often helped it along |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:32 AM |
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I thought that sentence |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 12:00 PM |
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why is that that the SOA produces all these bad people? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 12:06 PM |
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How does it PRODUCE bad people? |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 01:08 PM |
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there needs to be two things... |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 01:18 PM |
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Check this out |
davekriss |
Nov-25-03 11:44 AM |
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If Clark can't do anything, what good is he? |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-25-03 10:22 AM |
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Clark Is Actually Confronting The PNAC'ers |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 10:38 AM |
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Why would he confront PNACers when he supports American-based terrorists |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:58 AM |
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Here's the important difference, Terwilliger |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 03:21 PM |
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great explanation - thanks |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-25-03 03:23 PM |
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Thanks |
RobertSeattle |
Nov-25-03 10:14 AM |
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professional murderers doing the bidding of Hank Kissinger and the like |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:27 AM |
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Please |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 10:47 AM |
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so you say |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:51 AM |
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Here's the course catalog |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 11:02 AM |
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Here's Bush's Compassion Agenda |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 11:05 AM |
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Ha! Way to show 'em, Tinoire |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 11:08 AM |
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Do either of you have a relevant argument to make here?n/t |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 11:12 AM |
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The murderer's propoganda is probably the weakest defense |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:17 AM |
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Thank you IC |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 11:22 AM |
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Who are "the murderer's"? |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 11:39 AM |
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Asked and answered |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 11:58 AM |
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Intentionally obtuse, huh? |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 12:18 PM |
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More straw men |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 12:31 PM |
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You are so lost. |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 12:50 PM |
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fascinating! |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 01:01 PM |
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Now THAT'S the KING of strawmen!!! |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 01:02 PM |
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You know, |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 01:11 PM |
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Especially when you can't hit it because your head's in the sand |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 01:14 PM |
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It's all he seems to know |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 01:22 PM |
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I thought we were supposed to be different here in America |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 11:59 AM |
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I've had the same experiences, cool guy |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:03 PM |
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Evidence points to the latter. |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 12:36 PM |
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One more time, just for you |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:50 PM |
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Intentionally oblivious |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 01:03 PM |
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I think I might have mentioned this too: |
leanings |
Nov-25-03 01:03 PM |
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they have two |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 01:13 PM |
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IC, concurrent to the support for the Contras |
salin |
Nov-25-03 12:54 PM |
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Oscar Romero and the six American Catholic Nuns |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 01:12 PM |
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Counterdrug operations course |
Ignoramus |
Nov-25-03 11:48 PM |
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professional officers like noriega or thugs like rios montt |
el_gato |
Nov-25-03 10:46 AM |
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Some? Some bad apples? Would you mind naming some of the good apples? |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 11:03 AM |
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You're The One Who Can't Provide Numbers |
cryingshame |
Nov-25-03 11:23 AM |
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When SOA puts out the "bad seed catalogue" |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 11:29 AM |
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Wow.... |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 02:30 PM |
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NOT CLOSED! renamed Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Nov-25-03 10:22 AM |
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Why don't all anti-Clark people |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:31 AM |
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yes, but you're tweaked |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 10:36 AM |
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I was curious |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:41 AM |
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no saint |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 11:03 AM |
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If the school- now renamed- is what you say.... |
Desertrose |
Nov-25-03 10:46 AM |
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What year did Clark create the school? |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 10:50 AM |
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He spoke there so he knew what the school was for |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 11:01 AM |
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You're right and wrong |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 11:11 AM |
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Give me a break |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 11:32 AM |
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So do you support it |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 11:39 AM |
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terwilliger certainly does |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 12:01 PM |
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You are full of it |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 12:05 PM |
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Your tax $ support SOA |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 12:34 PM |
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be fair now |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 12:06 PM |
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ok, now you say look at it as if... |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 12:09 PM |
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I didn't say they are all true |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 12:12 PM |
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If Clark is worth anything, he knows all about the programs at the SOA |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 12:16 PM |
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which could also suggest that the charges are untrue. (NT) |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-25-03 12:29 PM |
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If Terwilliger's knows anything, he knows about the programs at the SOA |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 12:37 PM |
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Yes I do! |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 12:03 PM |
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Does matter if he created it-- why was he there? |
no name no slogan |
Nov-25-03 12:01 PM |
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I haven't done enough research |
democratreformed |
Nov-25-03 12:09 PM |
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You should follow your own advise, xultar |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:21 AM |
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so what is the mission...do you think? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 11:35 AM |
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America is acting just like any other historical power |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 11:41 AM |
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I'm sorry, isn't our Republic supposed to live by different standards? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-25-03 12:13 PM |
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"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." -- Jefferson |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:17 PM |
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I don't believe this. |
Colin Ex |
Nov-25-03 11:40 AM |
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I won't defend that school |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-25-03 11:58 AM |
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If I may make a point -- |
Colin Ex |
Nov-25-03 12:05 PM |
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You are more than reasonable |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-25-03 12:35 PM |
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OK |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 12:01 PM |
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Great job addressing my point. |
Colin Ex |
Nov-25-03 12:06 PM |
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These are not progressives |
TLM |
Nov-25-03 12:02 PM |
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No progressive |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 12:37 PM |
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No progressive would support NAFTA |
sangh0 |
Nov-25-03 03:19 PM |
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Throwing rocks from Dean's glass house? |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-25-03 02:45 PM |
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Unfortunately I have had to back-peddle on that belief |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 03:22 PM |
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That's because they're either misguided, or not progressive |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:07 PM |
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I'm not defending the SOA |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 12:42 PM |
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In that defense, I'll join you |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-25-03 12:48 PM |
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Attacking the SOA |
Pastiche423 |
Nov-25-03 12:56 PM |
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Wow, hate to tell you what these aruments in defense of SOA |
CWebster |
Nov-25-03 01:48 PM |
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Your spin |
mmonk |
Nov-25-03 02:33 PM |
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Kucinich on School of the Americas. Posted for Crying Shame |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 02:53 PM |
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heh...you're telling us to do the research yet, |
buddhamama |
Nov-25-03 03:19 PM |
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The official SOA speech from the Clark Web-site |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 03:36 PM |
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This is CRAZY |
democratreformed |
Nov-25-03 04:32 PM |
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It says "The Original Wesley Clark for President 2004 Website" |
Tinoire |
Nov-25-03 05:12 PM |
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I had a friend there last weekend |
Ficus |
Nov-25-03 04:29 PM |
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I just read a link describing institutionalized torture |
JudiLyn |
Nov-25-03 11:15 PM |
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