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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:22 PM
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61. In fact all you need
according to the experts is a forged voter card. The arguments in defensea are coming back kneejerk simple smug and unstudied, reinforcing the pitch that sold and maintains these machines and overlooks code oversight almost entirely. They assume the scientists know nothing about the hardware and the real life context or at least not as devastating, but they seem to be mistaken in seeing an Achilles heel there too. The counterthrust is coming up short on a crumbling wall.

Too bad it isn't time yet to question the partisan investment or real expertise of state "officials" in championing these machines. The media is still a mile short of being on top of this.
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  -Diebold weighs in with rebuttals -- want to weigh in with the facts? BevHarris  Jul-24-03 08:32 PM   #0 
  - Bev--can I ask you somethng  Starpass   Jul-24-03 08:39 PM   #1 
  - Good question Starpass...  Flubadubya   Jul-24-03 08:44 PM   #7 
  - They're not at all happy. Note that sponsors for Rush Holt's bill  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 08:44 PM   #8 
  - Rebuttal to Point #1  DEMActivist   Jul-24-03 09:02 PM   #19 
  - Really am punchy, but before I forget...from their own manuals  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 08:41 PM   #2 
  - I will distribute to my lists - If you or Allen will email them to me -or  papau   Jul-24-03 08:41 PM   #3 
  - Hey Bev!!! You;re Back.. I Have A Favour To Ask DU  althecat   Jul-24-03 08:42 PM   #5 
  - Did so. Hey, there were a couple broken links in your article  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 08:56 PM   #15 
  - Fixed now... Good spotting...  althecat   Jul-24-03 09:11 PM   #23 
  - It's on Yahoo!  SharonAnn   Jul-24-03 10:33 PM   #53 
  - it was on the 6:00 news here in CA!  arcane1   Jul-24-03 08:52 PM   #11 
     - That's great, arcane1  dmr   Jul-24-03 10:42 PM   #59 
     - I saw that too  proud patriot   Jul-25-03 02:54 AM   #80 
  - #1 - Fine - show us your current code.  Stephanie   Jul-24-03 08:42 PM   #4 
  - I don't have supporting data for most of these, but...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 08:44 PM   #6 
  - Knew you'd be awesome.  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 08:48 PM   #9 
  - On #6...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 08:53 PM   #13 
  - About that voter recall: Has it ever been done?  aquart   Jul-24-03 09:23 PM   #27 
  - I'm on it Bev although a little 'punchy' myself!  ParanoidPat   Jul-24-03 09:00 PM   #16 
     - Check particularly #4, if you would.  punpirate   Jul-24-03 09:06 PM   #21 
        - Well the state people "escrow the source code"  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 09:27 PM   #29 
           - "go all woozly "? Is that a new technical term? I like it!  SharonAnn   Jul-24-03 10:36 PM   #54 
  - I agree, re #1  Spazito   Jul-24-03 08:56 PM   #14 
  - i would add to number two that  bpilgrim   Jul-24-03 09:48 PM   #37 
  - I really don't understand alot about this, but #6 sounds  alaine   Jul-24-03 08:50 PM   #10 
  - LOL -- can you just see running around Baltimore trying to find  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 08:53 PM   #12 
     - But did they ever do it?  aquart   Jul-24-03 09:26 PM   #28 
     - There was a place in North Carolina that did, but I think it was ES&S  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 09:33 PM   #31 
     - Thank you. Not that they would. And guess which  alaine   Jul-24-03 09:52 PM   #39 
        - IIRC, others have said the same thing about...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 10:01 PM   # 
  - coming back with their standard pitch  PATRICK   Jul-24-03 09:01 PM   #17 
  - Here's mine  LizW   Jul-24-03 09:01 PM   #18 
  - Woo hoo -- there's a gem.  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 09:36 PM   #33 
  - Here's some rebuttals...  gristy   Jul-24-03 09:04 PM   #20 
  - Yes  Zan_of_Texas   Jul-25-03 01:36 AM   #73 
  - Upcoming USENIX Security conference in DC relevant here?  DrBB   Jul-24-03 09:07 PM   #22 
  - This issue has been on the agenda for some time  DEMActivist   Jul-24-03 09:11 PM   #24 
     - Yup--Dill is on the e-voting session panel.  DrBB   Jul-24-03 09:17 PM   #25 
  - Laughable.  TahitiNut   Jul-24-03 09:23 PM   #26 
  - Woh! Tahiti! Suddenly another favorite of mine appears  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 09:40 PM   #34 
  - Okay  Eloriel   Jul-24-03 09:28 PM   #30 
  - On #3, maybe a good response would be...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 09:43 PM   #36 
  - If they want to come out with a straightforward rebuttal that will stand  Prisoner_Number_Six   Jul-24-03 09:34 PM   #32 
  - Excellent. Precisely right.  Eloriel   Jul-24-03 10:24 PM   #50 
  - Is there a need for "official" response - or do we just pull from these  papau   Jul-24-03 09:42 PM   #35 
  - Looking for logical, powerful, factual rebuttals that also help the press  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 09:50 PM   #38 
  - WEIGH IN? NEW REBUTTAL - Georgia official Michael Barnes  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 10:01 PM   #40 
  - MORE: New AJC article  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 10:05 PM   #42 
  - Okay....  punpirate   Jul-24-03 10:13 PM   #46 
  - We want science, not art(ful dodgers).  TahitiNut   Jul-24-03 10:17 PM   #48 
  - I saw that... that new quote from barns is fascinating...  althecat   Jul-25-03 12:24 AM   #68 
  - I find this quote interesting:  ibegurpard   Jul-25-03 01:42 AM   #74 
  - Umm...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 10:06 PM   #43 
  - MORE FROM BARNES (he was chatty today)  BevHarris   Jul-24-03 10:09 PM   #44 
  - This says, in essence, that...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 10:21 PM   #49 
     - Don't forget that reporters and writers often take things out of context  Eloriel   Jul-24-03 10:32 PM   #52 
        - Mercuri Should Write To The Editor About This  althecat   Jul-25-03 12:26 AM   #69 
  - Two words: Palm Pilot  TahitiNut   Jul-24-03 10:11 PM   #45 
  - A laptop? What about an iPaq?  aquart   Jul-24-03 10:38 PM   #55 
     - In fact all you need  PATRICK   Jul-24-03 11:22 PM   #61 
  - Rebuttal to point 1  ParanoidPat   Jul-24-03 10:01 PM   #41 
  - "Rebuttal to point 2"  ParanoidPat   Jul-25-03 03:31 AM   #81 
     - "Rebuttal to point 3"  ParanoidPat   Jul-25-03 05:52 AM   #83 
        - "Rebuttal to point 4"  ParanoidPat   Jul-25-03 06:59 AM   #84 
           - "Rebuttal to point 5"  ParanoidPat   Jul-25-03 07:03 AM   #85 
              - "Rebuttal to point 6"  ParanoidPat   Jul-25-03 07:24 AM   #86 
                 - Summery  ParanoidPat   Jul-25-03 07:44 AM   #87 
  - Sigh.  bemildred   Jul-24-03 10:13 PM   #47 
  - This may be redundant....  RedEagle   Jul-24-03 10:41 PM   #58 
  - #6 is key  noiretblu   Jul-24-03 10:25 PM   #51 
  - It's against the law in every state (I think) to identify...  punpirate   Jul-24-03 10:38 PM   #56 
  - federal law (or some law) requires  gristy   Jul-24-03 10:38 PM   #57 
     - thanks...that makes sense  noiretblu   Jul-24-03 10:51 PM   #60 
        - The point, though, is that if...  punpirate   Jul-25-03 12:00 AM   #64 
  - Ask more questions, so they can tell you more lies!  bumbler   Jul-24-03 11:38 PM   #62 
  - An interesting statistic that is probably meaningless. But...  Prisoner_Number_Six   Jul-24-03 11:39 PM   #63 
  - While the code is badly bloated...  punpirate   Jul-25-03 12:04 AM   #65 
  - Moony Times runs with AP story  Bushfire   Jul-25-03 12:11 AM   #66 
  - The thing I found most curious  Oaf Of Office   Jul-25-03 12:15 AM   #67 
  - Ok lets take these one at a time...  classics   Jul-25-03 12:52 AM   #70 
  - Well done. Here's my husband's rebuttal:  BevHarris   Jul-25-03 01:27 AM   #72 
  - Perfect!  jpgray   Jul-25-03 02:52 AM   #79 
  - #5 - "...we've had great success with them". LOL! I'll bet they have!  Dover   Jul-25-03 01:06 AM   #71 
  - Ok  Zan_of_Texas   Jul-25-03 01:57 AM   #76 
  - Ah, and the rebuttal in the Washington Post:  BevHarris   Jul-25-03 01:47 AM   #75 
     - Okay, Alleghany County...  punpirate   Jul-25-03 02:07 AM   #77 
     - Have they verified that code has been updated? Or that the code that  Dover   Jul-25-03 02:48 AM   #78 
        - No, they've merely asserted that it is so...  punpirate   Jul-25-03 04:34 AM   #82 
 

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