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Thu Jul-24-03 09:01 PM
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is not much of a defense. They are at a vulnerbale window of purchasing the machines. So ignore, muffle, laugh and lie. Keep pitching the sales talk that has duped and spoonfed all the election officials. AFTER the machines are purchased, THEN will come the ruthless war to stop lawsuits and refunds. They can't even begin to address their bigger fears of being caught in deliberate or negligent rigging.
Visit the Diebold site. They had a big problem with Maryland going slow on the deal. August 4,5 is a webcast analysts conference full of portfolio braggadoccio by the execs. The deadlines for the reform legislation and fed funds are coming due with or without local reservations. Most of all they want to quiet or slow the story. Perhaps the big media is somewhat complying with that limited strategy?
Their arguments are lies, sales pitch, generalized vagueries pumped up with nice sounding assurances. Mash it together and dismiss them, then provide a detailed summary per Bev of the parsed nonsense. The logic errors are childishly basic. We've had no complaints so there is nothing to complain about. All people believe in God, therefore God exists(And Aquinas was sincere, not a corporate salesman).
Like local news, preeminence will be given to the statements of offended corporations. Multiply the venues without waiting for the "esteemed" media.
And I have been asking this too and not just about voting machines. WHAT are the professional Dems doing?????? I see some individual resistance, but they certainly are not an effective vanguard of their own self-protection.
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| -Diebold weighs in with rebuttals -- want to weigh in with the facts? |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 08:32 PM |
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Bev--can I ask you somethng |
Starpass |
Jul-24-03 08:39 PM |
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Good question Starpass... |
Flubadubya |
Jul-24-03 08:44 PM |
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They're not at all happy. Note that sponsors for Rush Holt's bill |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 08:44 PM |
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Rebuttal to Point #1 |
DEMActivist |
Jul-24-03 09:02 PM |
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Really am punchy, but before I forget...from their own manuals |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 08:41 PM |
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I will distribute to my lists - If you or Allen will email them to me -or |
papau |
Jul-24-03 08:41 PM |
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Hey Bev!!! You;re Back.. I Have A Favour To Ask DU |
althecat |
Jul-24-03 08:42 PM |
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Did so. Hey, there were a couple broken links in your article |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 08:56 PM |
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Fixed now... Good spotting... |
althecat |
Jul-24-03 09:11 PM |
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It's on Yahoo! |
SharonAnn |
Jul-24-03 10:33 PM |
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it was on the 6:00 news here in CA! |
arcane1 |
Jul-24-03 08:52 PM |
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That's great, arcane1 |
dmr |
Jul-24-03 10:42 PM |
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I saw that too |
proud patriot |
Jul-25-03 02:54 AM |
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#1 - Fine - show us your current code. |
Stephanie |
Jul-24-03 08:42 PM |
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I don't have supporting data for most of these, but... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 08:44 PM |
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Knew you'd be awesome. |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 08:48 PM |
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On #6... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 08:53 PM |
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About that voter recall: Has it ever been done? |
aquart |
Jul-24-03 09:23 PM |
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I'm on it Bev although a little 'punchy' myself! |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-24-03 09:00 PM |
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Check particularly #4, if you would. |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 09:06 PM |
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Well the state people "escrow the source code" |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 09:27 PM |
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"go all woozly "? Is that a new technical term? I like it! |
SharonAnn |
Jul-24-03 10:36 PM |
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I agree, re #1 |
Spazito |
Jul-24-03 08:56 PM |
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i would add to number two that |
bpilgrim |
Jul-24-03 09:48 PM |
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I really don't understand alot about this, but #6 sounds |
alaine |
Jul-24-03 08:50 PM |
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LOL -- can you just see running around Baltimore trying to find |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 08:53 PM |
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But did they ever do it? |
aquart |
Jul-24-03 09:26 PM |
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There was a place in North Carolina that did, but I think it was ES&S |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 09:33 PM |
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Thank you. Not that they would. And guess which |
alaine |
Jul-24-03 09:52 PM |
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IIRC, others have said the same thing about... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 10:01 PM |
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coming back with their standard pitch |
PATRICK |
Jul-24-03 09:01 PM |
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Here's mine |
LizW |
Jul-24-03 09:01 PM |
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Woo hoo -- there's a gem. |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 09:36 PM |
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Here's some rebuttals... |
gristy |
Jul-24-03 09:04 PM |
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Yes |
Zan_of_Texas |
Jul-25-03 01:36 AM |
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Upcoming USENIX Security conference in DC relevant here? |
DrBB |
Jul-24-03 09:07 PM |
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This issue has been on the agenda for some time |
DEMActivist |
Jul-24-03 09:11 PM |
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Yup--Dill is on the e-voting session panel. |
DrBB |
Jul-24-03 09:17 PM |
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Laughable. |
TahitiNut |
Jul-24-03 09:23 PM |
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Woh! Tahiti! Suddenly another favorite of mine appears |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 09:40 PM |
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Okay |
Eloriel |
Jul-24-03 09:28 PM |
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On #3, maybe a good response would be... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 09:43 PM |
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If they want to come out with a straightforward rebuttal that will stand |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Jul-24-03 09:34 PM |
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Excellent. Precisely right. |
Eloriel |
Jul-24-03 10:24 PM |
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Is there a need for "official" response - or do we just pull from these |
papau |
Jul-24-03 09:42 PM |
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Looking for logical, powerful, factual rebuttals that also help the press |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 09:50 PM |
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WEIGH IN? NEW REBUTTAL - Georgia official Michael Barnes |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 10:01 PM |
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MORE: New AJC article |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 10:05 PM |
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Okay.... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 10:13 PM |
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We want science, not art(ful dodgers). |
TahitiNut |
Jul-24-03 10:17 PM |
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I saw that... that new quote from barns is fascinating... |
althecat |
Jul-25-03 12:24 AM |
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I find this quote interesting: |
ibegurpard |
Jul-25-03 01:42 AM |
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Umm... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 10:06 PM |
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MORE FROM BARNES (he was chatty today) |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 10:09 PM |
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This says, in essence, that... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 10:21 PM |
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Don't forget that reporters and writers often take things out of context |
Eloriel |
Jul-24-03 10:32 PM |
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Mercuri Should Write To The Editor About This |
althecat |
Jul-25-03 12:26 AM |
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Two words: Palm Pilot |
TahitiNut |
Jul-24-03 10:11 PM |
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A laptop? What about an iPaq? |
aquart |
Jul-24-03 10:38 PM |
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In fact all you need |
PATRICK |
Jul-24-03 11:22 PM |
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Rebuttal to point 1 |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-24-03 10:01 PM |
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"Rebuttal to point 2" |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-25-03 03:31 AM |
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"Rebuttal to point 3" |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-25-03 05:52 AM |
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"Rebuttal to point 4" |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-25-03 06:59 AM |
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"Rebuttal to point 5" |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-25-03 07:03 AM |
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"Rebuttal to point 6" |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-25-03 07:24 AM |
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Summery |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-25-03 07:44 AM |
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Sigh. |
bemildred |
Jul-24-03 10:13 PM |
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This may be redundant.... |
RedEagle |
Jul-24-03 10:41 PM |
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#6 is key |
noiretblu |
Jul-24-03 10:25 PM |
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It's against the law in every state (I think) to identify... |
punpirate |
Jul-24-03 10:38 PM |
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federal law (or some law) requires |
gristy |
Jul-24-03 10:38 PM |
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thanks...that makes sense |
noiretblu |
Jul-24-03 10:51 PM |
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The point, though, is that if... |
punpirate |
Jul-25-03 12:00 AM |
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Ask more questions, so they can tell you more lies! |
bumbler |
Jul-24-03 11:38 PM |
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An interesting statistic that is probably meaningless. But... |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Jul-24-03 11:39 PM |
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While the code is badly bloated... |
punpirate |
Jul-25-03 12:04 AM |
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Moony Times runs with AP story |
Bushfire |
Jul-25-03 12:11 AM |
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The thing I found most curious |
Oaf Of Office |
Jul-25-03 12:15 AM |
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Ok lets take these one at a time... |
classics |
Jul-25-03 12:52 AM |
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Well done. Here's my husband's rebuttal: |
BevHarris |
Jul-25-03 01:27 AM |
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Perfect! |
jpgray |
Jul-25-03 02:52 AM |
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#5 - "...we've had great success with them". LOL! I'll bet they have! |
Dover |
Jul-25-03 01:06 AM |
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Ok |
Zan_of_Texas |
Jul-25-03 01:57 AM |
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Ah, and the rebuttal in the Washington Post: |
BevHarris |
Jul-25-03 01:47 AM |
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Okay, Alleghany County... |
punpirate |
Jul-25-03 02:07 AM |
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Have they verified that code has been updated? Or that the code that |
Dover |
Jul-25-03 02:48 AM |
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No, they've merely asserted that it is so... |
punpirate |
Jul-25-03 04:34 AM |
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