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Sat Nov-22-03 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #175 |
| 177. Thanks for the help, Seger. How 'bout some links? |
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Here's where Dr. HUMES talked about the ice bullet: The Tell-Tale Back WoundEXCERPT... O'Neill stated that some discussion did occur concerning the disintegration of the bullet. A "general feeling" existed that a soft-nosed bullet struck JFK. In reference to the back wound, there was discussion that the bullet could have been a "plastic" type or an "Ice" .
And from ONeills signed affidavit:
I do not see how the bullets that entered below the shoulder in the back could have come out the front of the throat. During the interview on January 10, 1978, I disagreed with Dr. Boswell's depiction of the location of the back (thorax) wound which Dr. Boswell had drawn on a diagram during an interview with this Committee in the Fall of 1977. I do not recall anything about the tracheotomy incision that indicated a bullet had damaged the area. When shown the tracing of the tracheotomy, I had no recollection or comment concerning the apparent bullet wound perimeter. It was and is my opinion that the bullet which entered the back came out the back.
Some discussion did occur concerning the disintegration of the bullet. A general feeling existed that a soft-nosed bullet struck JFK. There was discussion concerning the back wound that the bullet could have been a "plastic" type or an "Ice" bullet, one which dissolves after contact. There was no real sense either way that the wounds were caused by the same kind of bullet.
CONTINUED...
http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/assassination...
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| -P Jennings to prove there was no conspiracy in JFK murder |
bobbieinok |
Nov-20-03 03:39 PM |
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what a joke |
el_gato |
Nov-20-03 03:47 PM |
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no...but there have been several shows recently proving that |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 03:47 PM |
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Well...just for argument's sake... |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 04:01 PM |
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and that is what changed my mind...luck happens. |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 04:14 PM |
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Booth? How come the Government hung several people as... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-20-03 06:25 PM |
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Ahem |
dflprincess |
Nov-20-03 09:30 PM |
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Average shot? |
jsw_81 |
Nov-21-03 01:32 AM |
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possibly |
directinfection |
Nov-21-03 03:36 PM |
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Clearly it DID come from behind him. |
PAMod |
Nov-21-03 05:41 PM |
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Nope. I disagree. Look at the autopsy photos and read what the |
Solomon |
Nov-22-03 09:54 AM |
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The autopsy photos show a small hole in the upper back of his head... |
PAMod |
Nov-22-03 11:07 AM |
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Listen to the doctors who saw his head. They were just as shocked |
Solomon |
Nov-22-03 02:46 PM |
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I shouldn't have made it sound like you "want" a conspiracy... |
PAMod |
Nov-24-03 10:07 AM |
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What about the Zapruder film? |
Nederland |
Nov-24-03 10:43 AM |
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About Booth. |
Ani Yun Wiya |
Nov-21-03 03:27 AM |
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Jennings is Canadian. Canadians are commies, |
ohiosmith |
Nov-20-03 03:51 PM |
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You are kidding |
bicentennial_baby |
Nov-20-03 04:00 PM |
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The Soviets played hockey. |
ohiosmith |
Nov-20-03 04:16 PM |
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Also, Wayne Gretzky is a hockey player. |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 11:21 PM |
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Oh my God... |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:30 PM |
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ha! |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 01:13 AM |
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The Avs and Jets!! |
MrPrax |
Nov-21-03 12:56 PM |
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Most likely tows the Gerald Posner/John McAdams line |
Bombtrack |
Nov-20-03 03:53 PM |
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They have |
NicoleM |
Nov-20-03 03:59 PM |
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Computer simulations do whatever they are programmed to do |
AntiCoup2k |
Nov-20-03 08:33 PM |
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you can prove it wrong |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 12:03 AM |
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Glad someone's finally going to do it |
NoPasaran |
Nov-20-03 04:06 PM |
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So you believe in the magic bullet eh? |
el_gato |
Nov-20-03 04:09 PM |
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This show on court TV used computer simulations to show that |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 04:16 PM |
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Yep. In truth, they were lined up so the bullet could go straight through |
KFC |
Nov-20-03 04:26 PM |
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And the bullet comes out clean on the other side? |
MadHound |
Nov-20-03 04:47 PM |
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OK...you want to play this game smart ass... |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 05:43 PM |
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And the medical evidence disproves the nonsense the Warren Commission... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-20-03 06:29 PM |
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The Warren Report is sloppy...the military and local doctors |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 06:37 PM |
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Read the actual medical reports...you might learn something... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-20-03 06:49 PM |
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Key Word...Theory. Do you believe in the BIG BANG? how bout Evolution? |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 06:55 PM |
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Wow!! I love how the defenders of the Warren Commission get all... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-20-03 07:06 PM |
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Who's backed into a corner? |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:06 PM |
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SINGLE BULLET THEORY |
Parche |
Nov-20-03 06:36 PM |
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Hmmm |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 06:43 PM |
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How about based on the fact that the Warren Commission was never.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-20-03 06:59 PM |
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may I ask... |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:26 PM |
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actually |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:17 PM |
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You are a riot, truly, you are |
MadHound |
Nov-20-03 07:03 PM |
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For Christ's sake |
jsw_81 |
Nov-21-03 01:44 AM |
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Oswald was thirty |
Terwilliger |
Nov-21-03 11:51 AM |
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Oswald was 24 |
jsw_81 |
Nov-22-03 09:19 PM |
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Tin hat or not... |
AbbieLives |
Nov-21-03 11:45 AM |
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The bullet wasn't 'clean' |
jsw_81 |
Nov-21-03 01:40 AM |
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Oh Lord, if its on TV it must be true! |
MadHound |
Nov-21-03 06:21 AM |
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Oh, and another point I failed to mention earlier |
MadHound |
Nov-21-03 08:03 AM |
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They addressed all those points on the show... |
jab105 |
Nov-22-03 01:57 PM |
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Yeah, the 3 magic bullets theory is much better |
William Seger |
Nov-20-03 08:26 PM |
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BULLETS MADE OF ICE!!! |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 03:33 AM |
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Laugh all you want. The "ice bullet" was posited by Dr. James Hume... |
Octafish |
Nov-22-03 02:12 AM |
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Duh... |
William Seger |
Nov-22-03 05:02 AM |
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Sorry. We can't all be geniuses like you. |
Octafish |
Nov-22-03 10:09 AM |
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"I agree with what I know." |
William Seger |
Nov-22-03 11:32 AM |
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Ice bullets were brought up the lead JFK autopsy physician. |
Octafish |
Nov-22-03 12:18 PM |
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I think you mean Dr. Humes, not Hume... |
William Seger |
Nov-22-03 01:44 PM |
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Thanks for the help, Seger. How 'bout some links? |
Octafish |
Nov-22-03 02:35 PM |
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Ah HA! |
William Seger |
Nov-22-03 06:14 PM |
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So you take the word of J Edgar Hoover over the ER docs'? |
Octafish |
Nov-22-03 07:28 PM |
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and not just Crenshaw: |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-22-03 07:50 PM |
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Baloney! |
William Seger |
Nov-23-03 04:12 PM |
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You're still wrong! McAdams is a BFEE lickspittle. |
Octafish |
Nov-23-03 08:09 PM |
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More than Dealy Plaza needs to be explained |
ramblin_dave |
Nov-20-03 04:53 PM |
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Should be interesting |
Very Good Dem |
Nov-20-03 05:12 PM |
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The question for me |
bobbieinok |
Nov-20-03 05:19 PM |
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Let's see . . . |
Very Good Dem |
Nov-20-03 05:36 PM |
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So it's not strange at all that all those policemen couldn't protect |
bobbieinok |
Nov-20-03 06:17 PM |
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no...look at all the press that was there. |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 06:28 PM |
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People forget |
Very Good Dem |
Nov-20-03 08:21 PM |
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Innocent? |
aquart |
Nov-20-03 09:12 PM |
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You totally misinterpreted my post |
Very Good Dem |
Nov-20-03 10:02 PM |
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Innocent? What about Lincoln, McKinley, Garfield assasinations |
hlthe2b |
Nov-21-03 11:48 AM |
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It's such a small place |
Retrograde |
Nov-21-03 06:51 PM |
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in my opinion |
directinfection |
Nov-21-03 03:48 PM |
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Don't forget the KGB! |
jsw_81 |
Nov-21-03 01:47 AM |
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Jack Ruby was at that Police Station ALL the time. |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 05:48 PM |
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Jack Ruby met Oswald LONG before Nov 24, 1963 |
Terwilliger |
Nov-22-03 10:14 AM |
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then can you please answer for me |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 06:27 PM |
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I don't have to...The onus is on you to prove how the fake Oswald |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 06:46 PM |
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For God's sakes, think: |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 06:55 PM |
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What does that prove? |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 07:00 PM |
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"conspiracy theorists" need nothing but a conspiracy, |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 07:19 PM |
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A single gunman is not plausible. |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 09:27 PM |
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ballistics |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:22 PM |
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If you want to believe J Edgar Hoover, be my guest. |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 11:33 PM |
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not at all correct |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:45 PM |
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Wow! It's like having my own FBI Agent! |
Octafish |
Nov-21-03 01:19 PM |
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Those photos prove my point |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 01:40 PM |
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McAdams does make a good case with what he presents... |
Octafish |
Nov-21-03 03:32 PM |
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bunched up theory? |
directinfection |
Nov-21-03 04:00 PM |
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actually |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 04:09 PM |
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Photographic evidence shows JFK's jacket "bunched up" in the back... |
PAMod |
Nov-21-03 07:54 AM |
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You mean, like this? |
Octafish |
Nov-21-03 01:34 PM |
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You know, that Warren Commission drawing is terrible, and... |
PAMod |
Nov-22-03 11:27 AM |
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Your turn |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:11 PM |
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nuh uh |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 11:36 PM |
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You may be right |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:53 PM |
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What it means is that in conspiracies to commit murder, |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 12:14 AM |
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er... |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 01:10 AM |
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er, etc |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 06:50 AM |
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Not asking that |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 02:01 PM |
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please, don't talk about "flat earthers" who won't accept evidence |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 02:08 PM |
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I'll address all your points though- here |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 02:19 PM |
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and right back at ya: |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 02:34 PM |
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Looked at the .pdf |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 02:45 PM |
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Found this: |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 02:37 PM |
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You are actually saying what I've been hinting at here for days |
PAMod |
Nov-21-03 08:09 AM |
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Hi Very Good Dem!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-20-03 07:03 PM |
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thanks n/t |
Very Good Dem |
Nov-20-03 08:21 PM |
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The history channel |
Kira |
Nov-20-03 05:20 PM |
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No way to prove it, when so much evidence points in the other direction |
grannylib |
Nov-20-03 05:44 PM |
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Anyone who believes the official story. |
Sterling |
Nov-20-03 05:50 PM |
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And anyone who believes a conspiracy theory because they |
donotpassgo |
Nov-20-03 06:50 PM |
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You don't know who you're talking to, or you'd edit that. |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 09:51 PM |
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A remark that bears repeating, Octafish: |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 10:22 PM |
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The evidence against a conspiracy mostly |
FlaGranny |
Nov-20-03 06:07 PM |
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didn't some of this 'mysteriously' disappear????? |
bobbieinok |
Nov-20-03 06:15 PM |
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JFK, the man with two brains |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 06:20 PM |
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that would be suspicious, except... |
Andyjunction |
Nov-20-03 11:36 PM |
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"would be"? Two different brains isn't suspicious enough for you? |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 11:49 PM |
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well... |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 02:03 AM |
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well, no |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 06:41 AM |
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Haven't you seen it? |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 02:03 PM |
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of course |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 02:14 PM |
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Then can you (or anyone) tell me why... |
Sapphocrat |
Nov-22-03 07:00 AM |
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I think so |
Andyjunction |
Nov-22-03 06:23 PM |
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Geez why didn't he tell us years ago???? |
spanone |
Nov-20-03 08:23 PM |
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I hope people are spending their time more wisely tonight by watching |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 08:29 PM |
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SO far I'm enjoying the ABC show |
OKNancy |
Nov-20-03 08:36 PM |
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PBS seems to be reciting Warren Commission fiction about Oswald... |
TruthIsAll |
Nov-20-03 09:02 PM |
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Yes, there's that, but they also featured |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 09:11 PM |
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Not only do they have a photo |
FlaGranny |
Nov-22-03 08:57 AM |
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Oh, PBS, please talk to Prof. Newman and Prof. Melanson! |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 09:12 PM |
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The PBS doc is about 10 years old, I think, |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 09:18 PM |
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Thanks, MB! Now that you mention it... |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 09:35 PM |
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Apparently Gus Russo is responsible in large part for both |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 10:49 PM |
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ABC is the same |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 09:26 PM |
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Any talk of Ruby and organized crime? |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 09:39 PM |
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They just went through and supposedly refuted |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 09:51 PM |
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Wow. That's low. |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 10:21 PM |
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So now we have |
Very Good Dem |
Nov-20-03 10:28 PM |
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Not necessarily. |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 10:53 PM |
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Uses a lot of material that we saw in JFK, too. |
aquart |
Nov-20-03 10:47 PM |
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Anybody ever see these pics? |
Closer |
Nov-20-03 09:05 PM |
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Yes. What about them? |
Octafish |
Nov-20-03 09:14 PM |
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Yes, and when you look at the picture taken of his right side, |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-20-03 09:15 PM |
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I have only one thing |
bushwentawol |
Nov-20-03 09:23 PM |
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ABC is getting some very negative feedback on this |
dflprincess |
Nov-20-03 09:32 PM |
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OMG |
dflprincess |
Nov-20-03 09:49 PM |
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I do think that if they're going to try to prove that Oswald |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 09:54 PM |
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of what? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-20-03 10:18 PM |
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Just a couple of examples- |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 11:15 PM |
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Oddly, for me it was Tippet's murder. |
aquart |
Nov-20-03 10:59 PM |
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The two witnesses who supposedly were |
FlaGranny |
Nov-20-03 11:12 PM |
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They did a good job of explaining the official view. |
Solomon |
Nov-20-03 09:56 PM |
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Yeah... |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-20-03 09:59 PM |
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Not only that, but the |
FlaGranny |
Nov-20-03 11:03 PM |
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How did Jennings explain away the windshield story? |
0rganism |
Nov-21-03 04:44 AM |
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I just saw the program |
jsw_81 |
Nov-21-03 01:25 AM |
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I wouldn't say it proved beyond ANY doubt |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-21-03 01:28 AM |
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Wow, not a big Oliver Stone fan I see |
Rex |
Nov-21-03 01:57 AM |
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JFK was a great movie |
Andyjunction |
Nov-21-03 03:38 AM |
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Heh heh. |
PAMod |
Nov-21-03 07:45 AM |
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I hope you don't always watch television so uncritically. |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-21-03 06:44 AM |
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ain't it amazing? |
tinanator |
Nov-21-03 07:31 AM |
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TV is doubleplusgood! |
AbbieLives |
Nov-21-03 11:50 AM |
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Especially... |
AG78 |
Nov-21-03 07:38 AM |
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better than all that |
tinanator |
Nov-21-03 07:03 AM |
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Well I missed the Jennings show but... |
Llyr21 |
Nov-21-03 11:32 AM |
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Wrong, wrong, wrong |
jsw_81 |
Nov-22-03 09:31 PM |
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Okay. Here's the things which bother me. |
Solomon |
Nov-21-03 11:43 AM |
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So, we have a two hour program by ABC |
dflprincess |
Nov-21-03 11:50 AM |
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speaking of The Men Who Killed Kennedy? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-21-03 11:55 AM |
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Here ya go... |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-21-03 12:17 PM |
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T I just bought it off the internet and just got it |
Solomon |
Nov-21-03 12:23 PM |
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Thanks |
Terwilliger |
Nov-21-03 01:26 PM |
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What happened to the first shot?? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-21-03 11:54 AM |
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and |
Llyr21 |
Nov-21-03 11:59 AM |
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The speculation is that the first shot struck a tree branch... |
PAMod |
Nov-21-03 12:11 PM |
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Still MORE problems |
Llyr21 |
Nov-21-03 12:19 PM |
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Bravo, wonderfully put Terwilliger |
Bushknew |
Nov-21-03 03:03 PM |
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Jim DiEugenio already has a debunk site in progress for this: ABCLies.com |
0rganism |
Nov-21-03 12:59 PM |
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thanks, organism, and the other person linking abc lies |
buycitgo |
Nov-23-03 06:18 AM |
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i watched it |
karabekian |
Nov-21-03 02:57 PM |
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they always come out and scold people for not believing them on anniversar |
BlackFrancis |
Nov-21-03 04:18 PM |
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Okay. I Got it. I'm certain now. If those autopsy pictures are real |
Solomon |
Nov-21-03 04:22 PM |
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uhhhhhh.....Johnny Roselli. Sam Giancana? |
buycitgo |
Nov-23-03 06:08 AM |
#185 |