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Thu Nov-20-03 12:00 PM
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| 53. Momentum is not the issue |
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If Dean does not take Iowa AND New Hampshire, this is going to end up in the Convention. Losing either of those races will bring out all of the hounds of the media talking about how the Dean movement has run aground, etc., etc., etc.
If Dean takes both states, things will be different, since Kerry will be hard pressed to carry on in the face of such a resounding rejection. Gephardt will still be in better shape but even he will be rocked considering how much time and effort his campaign put into the caucus.
In either case, Clark's campaign will continue forward no matter what.
Keep in mind what we're looking at here. Last year all these politicians (and Sharpton) were gearing up for this campaign. Clark was working for a financial firm in Arkansas (one tied to the GOP no less) and giving speeches around the US. He was also a commentator on CNN.
Certain disgruntled Dems set up a committee to persuade him to run for office, which effort proved successful. The reality of that will be discussed for years if he wins but there is no real reason to doubt it at present.
The committee manages to raise $3+ million in pledges BEFORE Clark even announces his campaign, and now the official organization is shooting to raise an additional $12 million or so this quarter.
My point is that Clark's campaign cannot be judged by the standards that apply to the others. What does he have to lose? Just like Braun and Kuchinich and Sharpton, he will hang in until the convention, no matter what happens, and may very well end up the beneficiary of a brokered convention at the end of the road. Certainly, as things stand now, the establishment will resist nominating Dean with the very last breath in their bodies. Kerry, Gephardt and Edwards will most likely be done, and Lierberman would be totally unacceptable to anybody who wanted to win the election.
Of course, this is just my own opinion but I've been around a long time and I think that Clark will most likely end up the Democratic nominee. I cannot see a situation in which Dean can get the nod unless he does it in the primaries, and I don't see him racking up a winning number that way.
Sooooooo....
We'll see, but I don't think momentum is as big an issue as it seems right now.
What has momentum to do with all this? Beats me.
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| -I am new to politics, but is Clark gaining momentum? |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 12:09 AM |
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Nov-20-03 12:10 AM |
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LOL |
pruner |
Nov-20-03 12:11 AM |
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Damn looks like the overs covered *nm* |
SahaleArm |
Nov-20-03 01:10 AM |
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Is Clark gaining momentum? |
Kool Kitty |
Nov-20-03 12:11 AM |
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The more i see of Clark the more I like him. |
Liberal_Guerilla |
Nov-20-03 12:12 AM |
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Sarah, Sarah, Sarah |
Bleachers7 |
Nov-20-03 12:12 AM |
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I was just wondering... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 12:19 AM |
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I am having fun with you. |
Bleachers7 |
Nov-20-03 12:20 AM |
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what does o/u and nm mean |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 12:25 AM |
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Over/Under |
Bleachers7 |
Nov-20-03 08:48 AM |
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Educate yourself...and VOTE |
bookman |
Nov-20-03 12:38 AM |
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I agree.... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 12:43 AM |
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What does o/u and nm mean? |
Myra |
Nov-20-03 01:19 AM |
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In a perfect world... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 01:25 AM |
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That's great if you feel that level of confidence at this point. |
Myra |
Nov-20-03 01:36 AM |
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never heard of it and.... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 10:09 AM |
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Welcome to the Wes Wing and DU, Sarah! Hopefully... |
Kahuna |
Nov-20-03 06:43 AM |
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o/u = 'over/under,' a betting term. |
BillyBunter |
Nov-20-03 01:30 AM |
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Ohhhhh, thanks BillyBunter |
Myra |
Nov-20-03 01:39 AM |
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n/m = no message....it is used when you only post in the |
newyawker99 |
Nov-20-03 06:28 AM |
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No, that's nt, not nm... |
sgr2 |
Nov-20-03 09:42 AM |
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nm |
Myra |
Nov-20-03 11:16 PM |
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nm = no message. |
SahaleArm |
Nov-20-03 11:21 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
_NorCal_D_ |
Nov-20-03 09:46 AM |
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"The sharks are going to have fun witht this thread." Shhhhh! |
Myra |
Nov-20-03 01:44 AM |
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"Sharks?" More like gnats... |
Kahuna |
Nov-20-03 06:45 AM |
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Slowly but surely |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-20-03 12:21 AM |
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Don't be hurt |
gore42004 |
Nov-20-03 12:22 AM |
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Welcome to DU! |
fujiyama |
Nov-20-03 12:23 AM |
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howdy sarah |
salinen |
Nov-20-03 12:34 AM |
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flip your prez and vp |
absolutezero |
Nov-20-03 08:28 AM |
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He's making some progress. |
BillyBunter |
Nov-20-03 12:29 AM |
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In July there were only a few people seriously talking up Wesley Clark |
Rowdyboy |
Nov-20-03 12:44 AM |
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He is gaining a bit |
quaker bill |
Nov-20-03 01:10 AM |
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I hope he's gaining... |
LauraT28 |
Nov-20-03 01:38 AM |
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Hi LauraT28!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-20-03 06:29 AM |
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It seems to me that he's falling back from the pedestal he started on. |
ryharrin |
Nov-20-03 02:02 AM |
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Depends on how you look at it. |
neuvocat |
Nov-20-03 02:07 AM |
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My take |
Gore1FL |
Nov-20-03 03:11 AM |
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3rd in NH is the goal, more than good enough |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-20-03 09:13 AM |
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If you have to actually ask... |
JackRiddler |
Nov-20-03 05:11 AM |
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I think he is getting more coverage |
JNelson6563 |
Nov-20-03 05:57 AM |
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Not if who it is he truly serves gets out-- |
CWebster |
Nov-20-03 05:57 AM |
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His poll numbers have sharply declined in NY State |
farmbo |
Nov-20-03 06:11 AM |
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Apples and Oranges |
Barbara917 |
Nov-20-03 06:32 AM |
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Quinnipac = New York |
farmbo |
Nov-20-03 06:44 AM |
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Zogby's polls are waaay out of line with all the others... |
Kahuna |
Nov-20-03 06:47 AM |
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Need I remind you that Zogby's poll in NH was the first one to show |
slinkerwink |
Nov-20-03 10:14 AM |
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Welcome to DU, |
in_cog_ni_to |
Nov-20-03 06:14 AM |
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Like a few other people hinted... |
TreasonousBastard |
Nov-20-03 06:14 AM |
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I truly believe getting Gert in line |
DemCam |
Nov-20-03 12:07 PM |
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Hi Sarah!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-20-03 06:30 AM |
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Clark is not everywhere. Elvis is everywhere! |
RetroLounge |
Nov-20-03 07:03 AM |
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This has been a good week |
sparosnare |
Nov-20-03 07:27 AM |
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Clark Gaining Recognition |
Justice |
Nov-20-03 07:37 AM |
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He sure is |
AmericanDem |
Nov-20-03 08:21 AM |
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Name recognition, yes |
theboss |
Nov-20-03 09:22 AM |
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Momentum is not the issue |
mikehiggins |
Nov-20-03 12:00 PM |
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Thanks to you and everyone else in DU that.... |
sarah4clark04 |
Nov-20-03 01:26 PM |
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