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33. invoking lynching and david duke
in your criticism is, perhaps, the equivalent of Dean invoking the confederate flag in his attempt to discuss class.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dean were trying to appeal to instincts other than people's finest, but I wouldn't equit Dean himself with David Duke, or anything Duke says. By defining them as equal, you make the things Duke says much less serious than they really are.

You need a sense of proportionality if you're going to debate this honestly.
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  -Dean's apology was a mistake saoirse  Nov-06-03 01:50 PM   #0 
  - Link please  wryter2000   Nov-06-03 01:51 PM   #1 
  - It's the lead story on CNN.com  saoirse   Nov-06-03 01:59 PM   #9 
     - Yeah that is a bit disapointing....  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:17 PM   #28 
     - That's not flip-flopping  wryter2000   Nov-06-03 02:25 PM   #40 
        - I'm not saying he flip floped... he didn't.  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:01 PM   #93 
     - He only apologized for referring to the flag.  BullGooseLoony   Nov-06-03 02:27 PM   #48 
  - You talking about yesterday's speech?  Hep   Nov-06-03 01:52 PM   #2 
  - he said today on Fox  paulsbc   Nov-06-03 01:53 PM   #3 
     - forgive my being slow on this one  Hep   Nov-06-03 01:57 PM   #7 
  - Agreed that the other candidates were trying to make political hay...  w13rd0   Nov-06-03 01:55 PM   #4 
  - Just like he has made kerry and gephardt accountable to their  Sweetpea   Nov-06-03 01:57 PM   #6 
     - but the Iraq voters never accepted accountability  CWebster   Nov-06-03 02:26 PM   #44 
  - The speech yesterday- snip  realFedUp   Nov-06-03 01:56 PM   #5 
  - Dean seemed to apologize more for  mandyky   Nov-06-03 01:59 PM   #8 
  - Yes ...he is a northerner trying to appeal to the South and those  Sweetpea   Nov-06-03 02:00 PM   #12 
  - It doesn't matter if he apologized or not  karlspur   Nov-06-03 01:59 PM   #10 
  - It wasn't a racist statement.  AP   Nov-06-03 02:03 PM   #13 
  - Wow  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:18 PM   #29 
  - Gentle friends and fellow DUers, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE  calimary   Nov-06-03 02:04 PM   #14 
  - thank you, calimary  CWebster   Nov-06-03 02:33 PM   #57 
  - Calimary  Rowdyboy   Nov-06-03 02:41 PM   #68 
  - How was the comment racist?  saoirse   Nov-06-03 02:05 PM   #15 
  - I definitely wouldn't say the Dukes of Hazard is a model of the racial...  AP   Nov-06-03 02:10 PM   #20 
  - Not a very auspicious first post, Karl  Eloriel   Nov-06-03 02:06 PM   #16 
  - Yes it is a racist comment  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:07 PM   #17 
     - You sound more like a Dean supporter who wants people to think  AP   Nov-06-03 02:12 PM   #24 
     - I didn't say his comments were lynching  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:14 PM   #26 
        - invoking lynching and david duke  AP   Nov-06-03 02:21 PM   #33 
           - I meant to say  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:23 PM   #35 
           - It's not simple  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:25 PM   #41 
           - Your comment provided no substance or facts  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:30 PM   #52 
              - LOL  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:33 PM   #56 
           - No you didn't say that.  AP   Nov-06-03 02:26 PM   #46 
           - I know what I said  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:31 PM   #53 
              - Please pay attention  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:34 PM   #60 
                 - I am  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:37 PM   #66 
                    - I'm paying attention  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:44 PM   #72 
                       - Hatefull words?  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:45 PM   # 
                          - Now you are changing your words  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:46 PM   #75 
                          - I didn't change my words  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:49 PM   #78 
                             - sl  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:54 PM   #82 
                             - Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:56 PM   #86 
                                - Then you're no better than they are  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:58 PM   #89 
                                   - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And Hep scores another...  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:06 PM   #99 
                                   - I'm the red baron!  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:10 PM   #108 
                             - Yes you did... here are you exact words...  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:58 PM   #90 
                                - God  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:03 PM   #96 
                                   - So then this brother is a racist?  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:07 PM   #101 
                                   - The confederate flag is a racist symbol  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:08 PM   #103 
                                   - You said all confederate flag wavers are racists...  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:11 PM   #110 
                                   - You accuse those comments of being racist?  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:15 PM   #113 
                                   - WHat is racist is that you assume this man is ignorant...  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:24 PM   #126 
                                   - One of those two guys  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:19 PM   #119 
                                   - LOL!!! Even better....  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:25 PM   #128 
                                   - He was the head of the Ashville chapter of the NAACP  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:27 PM   #131 
                                   - Say it please  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:35 PM   #138 
                                   - Our friend  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:28 PM   #133 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-03 03:29 PM   #134 
                                   - Actually  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:36 PM   #140 
                                   - Once you again you have provided no facts or substance  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:38 PM   #142 
                                   - This is exactly the problem  Hep   Nov-06-03 04:04 PM   #159 
                                   - Generalizations  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:08 PM   #104 
                                      - I am NOT sorry I offended racist confederate flag wavers  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:17 PM   #115 
                                      - Are you sorry you offended  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:20 PM   #121 
                                      - If you are a confederate flag waver  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:23 PM   #123 
                                      - You aren't answering my question  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:24 PM   #127 
                                      - Then you shouldn't offended  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:25 PM   #129 
                                      - That's wrong  Hep   Nov-06-03 04:06 PM   #160 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-03 04:09 PM   #164 
                          - Your use of the term negro was quite racist...  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:54 PM   #84 
                             - Ok whatever  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:55 PM   #85 
                                - Truman used the term 50 years ago...  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:09 PM   #105 
                                - I know african americans who call each other the Ni**er word  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:11 PM   #109 
                                   - LOL! "Negro is not a racist term" LOL!!! Did you just say that?  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:14 PM   #112 
                                      - It isn't racist  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:17 PM   #114 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-03 03:32 PM   #137 
                                      - Your post provided no substance or facts  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:37 PM   #141 
                                      - Oh so you're only racist sometimes.....  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:47 PM   #146 
                                      - Your are so narrow minded it is unbelievable  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:51 PM   #147 
                                      - You're the one calling blacks negros...  TLM   Nov-06-03 05:00 PM   #167 
                                - You accuse Dean of racism but it's o.k. for you to say "negro"?  MercutioATC   Nov-06-03 03:09 PM   #107 
           - We should be talking to the KKK  ritc2750   Nov-07-03 06:44 AM   #178 
           - I meant to say  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:23 PM   #36 
              - Duke and the KKK...you mean people who use the word "negro"?  MercutioATC   Nov-06-03 03:19 PM   #117 
                 - The people who use the term ni**er  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:20 PM   #120 
                    - You DO realize that you posted lies about Dean to imply he was racist  MercutioATC   Nov-06-03 03:23 PM   #125 
                       - Your post provided no substance or facts  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:30 PM   #135 
                          - Fact : You posted blatant lies about Dean (see body of message)  MercutioATC   Nov-06-03 03:35 PM   #139 
     - Please shut up  workenstiff   Nov-07-03 05:49 AM   #176 
        - You might want to check out  Newcastle   Nov-07-03 05:56 AM   #177 
  - WHat exactly was racist about his comment?  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:08 PM   #18 
  - Here you go  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:09 PM   #19 
     - Wow  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:12 PM   #23 
     - Well, that should make prosecution of hate crimes a breeze!  w13rd0   Nov-06-03 02:13 PM   #25 
     - If you understand what Dean meant you should understand what I mean  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:18 PM   #30 
        - Your posts show that  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:20 PM   #32 
        - What is my view of southerners?  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:24 PM   #39 
           - You live in the south?  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:28 PM   #49 
           - I live in Legion, Alabama  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:33 PM   #54 
              - It's not about what I think  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:45 PM   #73 
                 - Yes they are  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:54 PM   #83 
                    - You're wrong  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:00 PM   #91 
           - Oh you are trying so hard, and it just isn't floating...  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:34 PM   #59 
              - I know  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:41 PM   #69 
                 - You're just reapeating you spew, not debating you claims...  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:53 PM   #80 
                    - Yours posts are so long I don't try to respond to everything you say  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:02 PM   #95 
                       - You still can;t answer my simple question...  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:18 PM   #116 
                          - Your are so damn confused  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:22 PM   #122 
                             - Explain how one is racist and one is not....  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:42 PM   #145 
                                - There are over 2 million native americans  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:54 PM   #150 
                                   - If it so clear cut, why can;t you answer the question?  TLM   Nov-06-03 04:03 PM   #158 
                                      - I already answered  karlspur   Nov-06-03 04:07 PM   #161 
                                         - You can't answer the question... you only repeat your opinion.  TLM   Nov-06-03 05:08 PM   #168 
        - All your votes are belonging to Dean...  w13rd0   Nov-06-03 02:26 PM   #43 
     - Clearly YOURS is the racist comment...  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:26 PM   #42 
     - Oh please  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:29 PM   #50 
        - You are not Harry Truman... and this is 2003.  TLM   Nov-06-03 02:43 PM   #71 
           - My use of the word negro was not racist  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:53 PM   #81 
              - Fine. I'll be more than happy  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:57 PM   #88 
                 - wow one or two black men out of several million  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:06 PM   #98 
                    - You're changing up again, please stop  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:23 PM   #124 
                       - Ok you proved me wrong  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:28 PM   #132 
                          - You are trying so hard....  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:51 PM   #148 
                          - rotlmfao  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:56 PM   #152 
                          - That's not the topic  Hep   Nov-06-03 04:08 PM   #163 
     - Karl, while I HATED Dean invoking the confederate flag to make his point  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-06-03 02:33 PM   #58 
     - nsma, Dean's comments were in defense of his NRA support, not race  blm   Nov-06-03 03:57 PM   #153 
        - BLM, Dean has been saying this thing for 10 months...  TLM   Nov-06-03 05:13 PM   #171 
     - What a moronic comment  RetroLounge   Nov-06-03 03:04 PM   #97 
        - Are you still waiting?  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:31 PM   #136 
           - Nope....  TLM   Nov-06-03 05:32 PM   #175 
  - prove it  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:11 PM   #22 
  - Here you go  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:15 PM   #27 
     - I responded to this elsewhere  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:19 PM   #31 
        - I too am offended by his comment...  w13rd0   Nov-06-03 02:21 PM   #34 
           - I don't want an apology  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:23 PM   #38 
           - Dean is the one who stereotyped southerners  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:26 PM   #45 
              - Dean used a literary device  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:33 PM   #55 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-03 02:35 PM   #62 
                    - You're right  _Jumper_   Nov-06-03 02:43 PM   #70 
                    - Finally someone understands what I mean  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:48 PM   #76 
                    - Yes you two can go to your anti-southerner meeting together  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:01 PM   #92 
                       - Ok whatever?  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:07 PM   #100 
                       - Think about it  _Jumper_   Nov-06-03 03:12 PM   #111 
                          - Thank you  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:19 PM   #118 
                          - Your logic is  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:27 PM   #130 
                          - The issue is Dean, not those people  _Jumper_   Nov-06-03 03:38 PM   #143 
                             - You explained it much more simplier terms then I could  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:42 PM   #144 
                             - Again ignore the fact Dean said he wants to bring these whites together  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:58 PM   #154 
                             - Ok you obviously have a problem of understand this in the simplist of term  karlspur   Nov-06-03 04:01 PM   #156 
                             - That doesn't refute the point  _Jumper_   Nov-06-03 04:02 PM   #157 
                             - NUANCE  Hep   Nov-06-03 04:10 PM   #165 
                                - So I guess NOT everyone with swastika flags are racist?  karlspur   Nov-06-03 04:13 PM   #166 
                                   - Actually, that's exactly my point  Hep   Nov-06-03 05:17 PM   #172 
                                      - OOOOOOH! Here's another one!  Hep   Nov-06-03 05:20 PM   #173 
                          - You skip the very imporatant fact that Dean wants  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:55 PM   #151 
                    - Because he wasn't  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:52 PM   #79 
                    - This is great!  Hep   Nov-06-03 02:48 PM   #77 
                       - There is no substance or facts in your response  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:57 PM   #87 
                          - Is it irony?  Hep   Nov-06-03 03:01 PM   #94 
           - Time to alert the mods...  TLM   Nov-06-03 03:52 PM   #149 
              - Once again you twist my words around  karlspur   Nov-06-03 03:58 PM   #155 
  - What the hell?  BullGooseLoony   Nov-06-03 02:29 PM   #51 
     - Here you go  karlspur   Nov-06-03 02:36 PM   #64 
  - Follow the news please!  saoirse   Nov-06-03 02:00 PM   #11 
  - Yeah I saw all of his appearances this morning  BullGooseLoony   Nov-06-03 02:35 PM   #61 
  - The rumor is that the CBC and the SEIU  BillyBunter   Nov-06-03 02:11 PM   #21 
  - Is that the rumor in the Clarkie Circle Jerk of Dean Bashing  RetroLounge   Nov-06-03 03:07 PM   #102 
  - damned if he do and  CWebster   Nov-06-03 02:23 PM   #37 
  - That's the position you put yourself in when you  BillyBunter   Nov-06-03 02:27 PM   #47 
     - doesn't matter what he does, Billy  CWebster   Nov-06-03 02:36 PM   #63 
        - The difference this time  sangh0   Nov-06-03 02:45 PM   #74 
           - Yell that he should apologize  RetroLounge   Nov-06-03 03:09 PM   #106 
              - Issuing fake apologies is also a Republican tactic  _Jumper_   Nov-06-03 04:07 PM   #162 
  - No it wasn't. It was the right thing to do.  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-06-03 02:37 PM   #65 
  - nothing wrong with it  drfemoe   Nov-06-03 02:40 PM   #67 
  - I think he needed to apologize. It was the right thing to do,  mzmolly   Nov-06-03 05:09 PM   #169 
  - "Dean appeared to be making inroads"  kplongco   Nov-06-03 05:12 PM   #170 
  - If anything he shouldnt have apologized at all  zonmoy   Nov-06-03 05:24 PM   #174 
  - I agree  madddog   Nov-07-03 11:53 AM   #179 
  - Actually it was more of a back-handed apology  onebigbadwulf   Nov-07-03 11:55 AM   #180 
 

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