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YOU aren't running anything military.
Do you know anything about supply lines? How to protect them? Leaving large groups of enemy troops behind those lines?
I'm thinking no will be your answer.
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| -The Hiroshima/Nagasaki Nuke attacks were: |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 12:27 AM |
#0 |
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Hey thanks, freeper lurker for that |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 12:43 AM |
#1 |
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The Second One Was Inexcusable |
OrdinaryTa |
Jul-23-03 12:52 AM |
#2 |
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Agreed. N/T |
FlashHarry |
Jul-23-03 07:04 AM |
#11 |
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This should have been one of the choices |
Mike_from_NoVa |
Jul-23-03 07:13 AM |
#12 |
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The first one can't be justified either. |
Leftist78 |
Jul-26-03 02:28 PM |
#185 |
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Leo Szilard, Interview: President Truman Did Not Understand |
amen1234 |
Jul-23-03 12:59 AM |
#3 |
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I have the Leo Szilard link and was just about to post it. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Jul-23-03 06:42 AM |
#10 |
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Option #2 is closest to my views |
redeye |
Jul-23-03 01:02 AM |
#4 |
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An abomination but an invasion of the Japanese mainland would |
maveric |
Jul-23-03 01:08 AM |
#5 |
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That's a very good summation of the conventional wisdom |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 01:25 AM |
#6 |
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War |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-23-03 06:23 AM |
#7 |
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In war |
aneerkoinos |
Jul-26-03 04:00 PM |
#209 |
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What a quaint notion |
Character Assassin |
Jul-26-03 04:21 PM |
#212 |
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we had WON |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 04:26 PM |
#214 |
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quaint schmaint |
aneerkoinos |
Jul-26-03 05:01 PM |
#217 |
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well said |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 04:23 PM |
#213 |
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Japan had already offered to surrender |
Kellanved |
Jul-23-03 06:29 AM |
#8 |
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The Bombs saved lives |
kubi |
Jul-23-03 06:41 AM |
#9 |
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Don't Forget The Bataan Death March |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-23-03 08:22 AM |
#13 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-23-03 09:03 AM |
#27 |
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In WWII, unconditional surrender was the only acceptable option |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 09:07 AM |
#31 |
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IMHO you are mistaken |
Kellanved |
Jul-23-03 09:34 AM |
#37 |
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Please provide a reliable source for your assertions |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 09:50 AM |
#41 |
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Tons (not as outspoken though) |
Kellanved |
Jul-23-03 10:13 AM |
#45 |
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This is the first I've ever heard of these assertions |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 10:25 AM |
#47 |
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That is the downside |
Kellanved |
Jul-23-03 11:13 AM |
#61 |
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It's not the first I've heard of it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jul-24-03 07:46 AM |
#99 |
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That's not true |
theboss |
Jul-23-03 10:40 AM |
#57 |
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I agree with unconditional surrender |
Uzybone |
Jul-26-03 02:12 PM |
#179 |
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Necessary |
Loonman |
Jul-23-03 08:24 AM |
#14 |
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This board is starting to freak me out |
sgr2 |
Jul-23-03 08:26 AM |
#15 |
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During The Bataan Death March Filipino |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-23-03 08:37 AM |
#16 |
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Yeah, I wonder what the fascination is |
sgr2 |
Jul-23-03 08:39 AM |
#17 |
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How do Japanese atrocities justify the bomb? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jul-24-03 07:56 AM |
#100 |
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Apples and oranges |
Leftist78 |
Jul-26-03 02:46 PM |
#190 |
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Remember the Trail of Tears? |
Sick of Bullshit |
Jul-23-03 08:54 AM |
#23 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-23-03 09:01 AM |
#26 |
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President Jackson despite opposition by US Congress |
ieoeja |
Jul-23-03 02:56 PM |
#85 |
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EXACTLY |
Parche |
Jul-23-03 01:15 PM |
#77 |
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wow..necessary to win the war? people still believe that?? |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-23-03 08:42 AM |
#18 |
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What does that have to do with Repubs and Empire? |
Loonman |
Jul-23-03 08:45 AM |
#19 |
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Britain was the empire. France was the empire. |
Sick of Bullshit |
Jul-23-03 08:58 AM |
#24 |
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Victims |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-23-03 08:59 AM |
#25 |
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Why not ask the people of the Congo whether Belgium was a good empire? |
Sick of Bullshit |
Jul-23-03 09:06 AM |
#29 |
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Actually, for the people of Finland |
aneerkoinos |
Jul-26-03 04:35 PM |
#215 |
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Soviet union was not an empire |
JVS |
Jul-23-03 10:26 AM |
#49 |
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Czarist Russia was. n/t |
maveric |
Jul-23-03 12:07 PM |
#66 |
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If the Soviet Union was not an empire, |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 06:32 AM |
#115 |
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Sure it was |
aneerkoinos |
Jul-26-03 05:14 PM |
#220 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-23-03 08:46 AM |
#20 |
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coming from you, that's a compliment |
Terwilliger |
Jul-23-03 09:06 AM |
#30 |
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What?! |
Blue_Chill |
Jul-23-03 10:25 AM |
#48 |
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Political calculation based on information Truman had at the time |
slackmaster |
Jul-23-03 08:46 AM |
#21 |
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The effects of the Los Alamos test were clear |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 09:45 AM |
#39 |
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Please don't put words into my mouth |
slackmaster |
Jul-23-03 10:30 AM |
#51 |
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hear Truman lie: : "...Hiroshima, a MILITARY BASE..." (links) |
amen1234 |
Jul-26-03 03:01 PM |
#197 |
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Gotta vote "Regretable but necessary" because |
Gman |
Jul-23-03 08:49 AM |
#22 |
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I support the dropping of both bombs 100% |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 09:05 AM |
#28 |
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BTW, I do not even believe it was "regretable" |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 09:10 AM |
#32 |
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Totally unecessary |
Sick of Bullshit |
Jul-23-03 09:19 AM |
#33 |
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Unconditional surrender was the only acceptable option |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 09:33 AM |
#36 |
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If that's the case... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jul-24-03 08:02 AM |
#101 |
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Come on.... |
Set |
Jul-23-03 02:29 PM |
#82 |
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This is an appallingly ignorant post |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 03:19 PM |
#87 |
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While Hirohito was a figurehead... |
Set |
Jul-24-03 12:37 AM |
#94 |
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I agree with Walt |
Blue_Chill |
Jul-23-03 09:32 AM |
#35 |
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agree with Walt |
mitchtv |
Jul-23-03 12:46 PM |
#74 |
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I find myself amazed that this is even being discussed |
bryant69 |
Jul-23-03 09:48 AM |
#40 |
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Japan & Pearl Harbor was another case of our own blowback |
Chicagonian |
Jul-23-03 09:28 AM |
#34 |
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Offshore demonstration was not a viable option at the time |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 09:34 AM |
#38 |
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How could that have possibly made anything worse? |
Leftist78 |
Jul-26-03 02:57 PM |
#194 |
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For what it's worth |
charlie |
Jul-26-03 03:31 PM |
#202 |
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By that logic PNAC America is a case of blowback |
JVS |
Jul-23-03 10:31 AM |
#53 |
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If PNAC were being perpetrated by Native Americans- |
Chicagonian |
Jul-23-03 01:13 PM |
#76 |
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I always believed the first nuke should have targetted Mt. Fuji |
Generic Other |
Jul-23-03 09:50 AM |
#42 |
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Go to the Bradbury Museum in Los Alamos |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-23-03 09:51 AM |
#43 |
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Their exhibits look very attractive, sterile and non-threatening |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 10:32 AM |
#54 |
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The choice really was: Destroy 2 cities, or Destroy an entire nation. |
Ready4Change |
Jul-23-03 09:52 AM |
#44 |
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A friend's father died recently- an Iwo Jima Marine veteran |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-23-03 10:21 AM |
#46 |
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I have no clue |
Magic Rat |
Jul-23-03 10:26 AM |
#50 |
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The Americans selected targets of military value |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-23-03 10:31 AM |
#52 |
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There may have been targets of value within either city |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 10:35 AM |
#55 |
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Kokura was primary |
Parche |
Jul-23-03 01:25 PM |
#80 |
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"Black Rain" |
ieoeja |
Jul-23-03 03:11 PM |
#86 |
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No, that's "Grave of the Fireflies", a very good animated film |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 03:32 PM |
#88 |
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Good point |
Generic Other |
Jul-23-03 11:11 AM |
#60 |
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though tokyo was bombed mercilessly |
bpilgrim |
Jul-23-03 01:39 PM |
#81 |
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Yes Tokyo was bombed, Kyoto was NOT. |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-23-03 02:33 PM |
#83 |
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Himeji was also spared |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 10:12 AM |
#129 |
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One big reason |
theboss |
Jul-23-03 02:34 PM |
#84 |
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Talking about History or teaching it |
azrak |
Jul-23-03 10:35 AM |
#56 |
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Huh? |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 11:56 AM |
#63 |
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Ultimate "fear mongering"...they knew your little desk would NOT |
amen1234 |
Jul-26-03 03:59 PM |
#208 |
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The Decision To Use The Atomic Bomb |
MrPrax |
Jul-23-03 10:59 AM |
#58 |
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I'm not buying what you're selling |
Walt Starr |
Jul-23-03 11:09 AM |
#59 |
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so, how long can a modern war machine last without oil? |
Aidoneus |
Jul-23-03 11:57 AM |
#64 |
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uppidy crackers? |
Blue_Chill |
Jul-24-03 10:21 AM |
#109 |
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Nice |
Aidoneus |
Jul-25-03 07:33 AM |
#123 |
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ummmm.... |
Nazgul35 |
Jul-25-03 11:23 AM |
#140 |
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well said... |
Uzybone |
Jul-26-03 02:21 PM |
#181 |
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Here you go....this may help you |
masmdu |
Jul-23-03 12:23 PM |
#69 |
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Completely UNNECESSARY!...if you know the facts of History you couldn't |
masmdu |
Jul-23-03 11:33 AM |
#62 |
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Our minds are made up, don't confuse us with the facts! |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-23-03 12:04 PM |
#65 |
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Of course calling for unconditional surrender |
Uzybone |
Jul-26-03 02:24 PM |
#183 |
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They did |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-23-03 12:19 PM |
#68 |
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The Soviets were not interested in invading the West |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-23-03 12:33 PM |
#72 |
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Thank you |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-23-03 12:41 PM |
#73 |
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Muddle |
aneerkoinos |
Jul-23-03 05:46 PM |
#89 |
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Pontificating |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-25-03 07:05 AM |
#120 |
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Pontificating? Maybe little |
aneerkoinos |
Jul-26-03 04:14 PM |
#211 |
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Not revisionist |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 05:05 PM |
#218 |
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You need to brush up on the Yalta Conference |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 10:03 AM |
#128 |
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Monday Morning Quarterbacking |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-25-03 10:24 AM |
#130 |
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So how many agreements from the Yalta Conference did Stalin break? |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 09:30 PM |
#152 |
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You need to brush up on military strategy and history |
Character Assassin |
Jul-25-03 11:41 AM |
#142 |
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So how many islands are there between Iwo Jima and Tokyo? |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 09:22 PM |
#151 |
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I'm glad |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 06:11 AM |
#163 |
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You have learned nothing, have you? |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-26-03 09:32 AM |
#164 |
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Completely and utterly wrong |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 11:55 AM |
#166 |
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to drop the bombs... |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 12:40 PM |
#171 |
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Second guessing |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 02:18 PM |
#180 |
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call it whatever you like, but theres no denying if it ended spring of 45 |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 02:38 PM |
#188 |
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Military |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 02:53 PM |
#192 |
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i point out that issue in responce to your argument |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 03:17 PM |
#198 |
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Nope |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 03:33 PM |
#203 |
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sorry pal |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 03:51 PM |
#206 |
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One of |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 03:58 PM |
#207 |
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it is still sick to try to argue now that they deserved it |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 04:09 PM |
#210 |
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I don't care |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 05:43 PM |
#222 |
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And there was the matter of having lost the |
Snow |
Jul-23-03 01:01 PM |
#75 |
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From the Goebbels' Dairies |
legin |
Jul-23-03 12:14 PM |
#67 |
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That is key. Oil (or any other rationale) had nothing to do with it |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jul-23-03 12:32 PM |
#71 |
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The Soviets were planning on invading Japan before the US. |
maveric |
Jul-23-03 12:29 PM |
#70 |
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The US DID let the USSR take over Japanese territory |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 06:23 AM |
#113 |
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close |
bpilgrim |
Jul-23-03 01:15 PM |
#78 |
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The most IRONIC thing is that generals argued that 'to save lives...' |
bpilgrim |
Jul-23-03 01:25 PM |
#79 |
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Orwell |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-23-03 06:08 PM |
#90 |
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There's nothing intellectual or pointy-headed about it. |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 11:26 PM |
#91 |
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Last Resort? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-23-03 11:39 PM |
#92 |
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I finally agree with you - halfway |
Gringo |
Jul-23-03 11:54 PM |
#93 |
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Interesting... |
Set |
Jul-24-03 12:45 AM |
#95 |
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None of this has any bearing on |
Gringo |
Jul-24-03 01:00 AM |
#96 |
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don't you think you're blowing things out of proportion? |
Set |
Jul-24-03 03:52 AM |
#97 |
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you missed one... |
bpilgrim |
Jul-24-03 10:13 AM |
#104 |
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and some more |
Kellanved |
Jul-24-03 10:17 AM |
#106 |
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posted below as well |
bpilgrim |
Jul-24-03 10:21 AM |
#108 |
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Heavy is the head |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-25-03 07:08 AM |
#121 |
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BULLSHIT |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:28 AM |
#131 |
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Generals |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-25-03 11:42 AM |
#143 |
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lol |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 03:18 PM |
#199 |
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Peace |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 03:45 PM |
#204 |
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and betray our allies? |
Set |
Jul-25-03 11:50 AM |
#145 |
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We're not going anywhere with this Thread. |
Kellanved |
Jul-25-03 12:04 PM |
#148 |
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to SAVE LIVES |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 03:19 PM |
#200 |
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People Forget |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-25-03 08:02 AM |
#126 |
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MacArthur was no great Amerucan Hero... |
Darranar |
Jul-25-03 10:24 PM |
#155 |
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wrong |
bpilgrim |
Jul-24-03 09:56 AM |
#103 |
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"they (nuclear weapons shouldn't be used even as a last resort imo)" |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-24-03 06:37 AM |
#98 |
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I can accept the second |
Gringo |
Jul-24-03 09:41 AM |
#102 |
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i agree |
bpilgrim |
Jul-24-03 10:20 AM |
#107 |
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so will you say the same when they are used against us? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-24-03 10:16 AM |
#105 |
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Hmmmm |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-25-03 07:45 AM |
#125 |
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The War in the Pacific began long before December 7, 1941 |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 09:38 AM |
#127 |
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And the stage was set for WWII in 1870.... |
Set |
Jul-25-03 11:53 AM |
#146 |
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Stage |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-25-03 12:00 PM |
#147 |
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Since you did not actually read my post, I will summarize it for you |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 10:11 PM |
#154 |
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and in the end they had there 1 condition met |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:36 AM |
#132 |
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The Japanese were NOT going to surrender |
Woodstock |
Jul-24-03 10:24 AM |
#110 |
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This seems to be an article of faith for you and many others |
Gringo |
Jul-24-03 10:34 AM |
#111 |
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I Disagree |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-25-03 05:37 AM |
#112 |
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Trumand to Blame for Cold War? |
southern_demo |
Jul-25-03 07:03 AM |
#119 |
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Truman started the Cold War with his intervention in Greece |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-25-03 07:44 AM |
#124 |
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That is utterly, completely ridiculous |
Character Assassin |
Jul-26-03 03:49 PM |
#205 |
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I decided to start a separate thread because this one is so large already |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-26-03 04:44 PM |
#216 |
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My late dad blessed Truman for using the bomb |
tlb |
Jul-25-03 06:29 AM |
#114 |
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Truman Was Right |
southern_demo |
Jul-25-03 06:36 AM |
#116 |
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how many lives would have been saved IF Truman ended the war in spring 45 |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:44 AM |
#133 |
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Truman did what he had to do |
Loonman |
Jul-25-03 06:40 AM |
#117 |
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a sign of the times |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:45 AM |
#134 |
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shocked |
southern_demo |
Jul-25-03 06:44 AM |
#118 |
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that you don't know how many lives would have been saved IF |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:47 AM |
#136 |
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Reading This Thread |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-25-03 07:30 AM |
#122 |
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hopefully you learned something |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:48 AM |
#137 |
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Too Murky, Ask Again Later |
LuminousX |
Jul-25-03 10:46 AM |
#135 |
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if Truman followed the advice of his military leaders AT THE TIME |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 10:53 AM |
#138 |
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Japan's nuclear program |
tanizaki |
Jul-25-03 10:54 AM |
#139 |
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Umm, technically those American nuclear weapons |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-25-03 09:54 PM |
#153 |
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What's all this "technically" nonsense |
tanizaki |
Jul-25-03 10:48 PM |
#156 |
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actually they keep it hidden from the people |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 11:27 PM |
#158 |
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You should have read your own link |
Art_from_Ark |
Jul-26-03 12:20 AM |
#160 |
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I did read the link |
tanizaki |
Jul-26-03 11:47 AM |
#165 |
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that existed |
Kellanved |
Jul-26-03 05:24 AM |
#162 |
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Do you live in the real world? |
SyracuseDemocrat |
Jul-25-03 11:27 AM |
#141 |
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Your version of history seems a bit muddled - time to hit the books? |
Gringo |
Jul-25-03 12:44 PM |
#149 |
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I'm having difficulty phrasing this thought well, but there is an |
Snow |
Jul-25-03 11:44 AM |
#144 |
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your right, all part of the myth, but they dropped it to 'SHOCK and AWE' |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 04:49 PM |
#150 |
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it's extremely important to DEMONIZE people, as bush* is doing |
amen1234 |
Jul-26-03 12:16 PM |
#167 |
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You are Right: the Japanese were a wonderful people |
southern_demo |
Jul-26-03 12:22 PM |
#168 |
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we got that beat... |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 02:49 PM |
#191 |
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My father was in the Second Marine Division... |
Feminist_man |
Jul-25-03 10:56 PM |
#157 |
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when did we land on okinawa again? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-25-03 11:31 PM |
#159 |
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As a Japanese I have a thing to say |
hertopos |
Jul-26-03 12:47 AM |
#161 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-03 12:37 PM |
#169 |
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A bit over the top don't you think |
Droopy |
Jul-26-03 01:03 PM |
#173 |
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a perfect example of the mindset of the imperial japanese of wwII... |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 01:28 PM |
#175 |
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Spare us your nationalistic, jingoist, rightwing crap! |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-26-03 02:00 PM |
#176 |
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Subtle |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 02:58 PM |
#195 |
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Having a reading comprehension problem, Muddle? |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-26-03 05:16 PM |
#221 |
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Not even |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 05:47 PM |
#223 |
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Pathetic |
Uzybone |
Jul-26-03 02:38 PM |
#187 |
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Wow! That's some bullshit |
Astarho |
Jul-26-03 03:24 PM |
#201 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-03 12:37 PM |
#170 |
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Since you posted your racist crap twice, I'll post my reply again! |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-26-03 02:03 PM |
#177 |
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Sorry to disagree |
Joeve |
Jul-26-03 12:49 PM |
#172 |
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Can you imagine if they *hadn't* atom-bombed Japan? |
Ratty |
Jul-26-03 01:26 PM |
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Yes, I can imagine. and the "what if" this happens fuels the hate |
amen1234 |
Jul-26-03 02:27 PM |
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I say a combo |
Uzybone |
Jul-26-03 02:08 PM |
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(link) Atomic Bomb: the decision documents (includes speech |
amen1234 |
Jul-26-03 02:33 PM |
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The Greatest Single Act of Terrorism Committed in Modern Times |
the_sam |
Jul-26-03 02:22 PM |
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Hiroshima, the second most horrid word in the english language |
bpilgrim |
Jul-26-03 02:42 PM |
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Verge |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jul-26-03 02:55 PM |
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Name removed |
Jul-26-03 02:59 PM |
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The polling results haven't studied the period |
JackSwift |
Jul-26-03 05:12 PM |
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I am locking this thread. |
newyawker99 |
Jul-26-03 05:59 PM |
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It's easy to second-guess Truman, but faced with the choice |
jody |
Jul-26-03 05:54 PM |
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