ParanoidPat
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Wed Jul-23-03 12:25 AM
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| 40. What state are you in and have you checked your election laws lately? |
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I've spent many hours over the last three weeks trying to put together a matrix of the election laws for all 50 states to post both here and at Black Box Voting.org. You would not believe what a task it's been! Many states don't have their laws posted on line and a number will only sell you the information! If I wasn't broke and unemployed I'd gladly pay to get them and take the time to scan and post them but as it is I have to rely on 'other methods' to get them. All in all I'd rather give a donation to DU!  States like Georgia have written provisions into their laws that make it impossible to get a machine in dispute adequately inspected. The Georgia law stipulates that three people, a patent attorney and two mechanics, be appointed by law to look at the computerized machines! This is tantamount to appointing two blind men and an attack dog to inspect the machine. If either of the 'mechanics' asks about how the machine works the attorney is there to tell them 'it's proprietary information', you're not allowed to know!  |
| -Attn: Black Box Voting naysayers: What evidence would convince you? |
BevHarris |
Jul-22-03 10:27 PM |
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I choose A |
bahrbearian |
Jul-22-03 10:31 PM |
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Huh? |
Eloriel |
Jul-22-03 10:44 PM |
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I think he agrees with Bev... |
ianbruce |
Jul-22-03 11:00 PM |
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I happen to be convinced because the code is not open source |
lcordero |
Jul-22-03 10:32 PM |
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Voting machine code should by law be open source |
Rooktoven |
Jul-22-03 11:56 PM |
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i ...... agree |
govegan |
Jul-23-03 03:16 PM |
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i |
Clete |
Jul-22-03 10:33 PM |
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Establishing a 'paper trail' is only half the battle! |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-22-03 11:49 PM |
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We use scanners in our precinct. |
Clete |
Jul-23-03 12:37 AM |
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Evidence of a wrongly declared winner. |
unfrigginreal |
Jul-22-03 10:35 PM |
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A Texas County Commision race was overturned last November. |
JanMichael |
Jul-22-03 10:44 PM |
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interesting |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 03:15 AM |
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Tinfoil: What would it take? Or won't you answer the question? |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 07:57 AM |
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um |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 09:27 AM |
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I believe those machines were optical scans |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 09:38 AM |
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more clarification |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 10:17 AM |
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Florida case was ES&S; Bernalillo was Sequoia |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 10:20 AM |
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I was convinced in 2000. |
aquart |
Jul-22-03 10:41 PM |
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I have a report that Diebold counted 40% of Florida in 2000 |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:47 AM |
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As a skeptic |
dsc |
Jul-22-03 10:42 PM |
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Accounting |
Clete |
Jul-22-03 10:54 PM |
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my NW suburban Chicago precinct has.....butterfly ballots |
julka |
Jul-22-03 11:35 PM |
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What state are you in and have you checked your election laws lately? |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 12:25 AM |
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Oh my gosh, LOL, great writing -- can I repeat what you just said? |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:31 AM |
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Of course! |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 12:53 AM |
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As a retired bookkeeper I assumed that |
Clete |
Jul-23-03 12:42 AM |
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I so appreciate input from bookkeeping and accounting |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 01:04 AM |
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Replacing Doug Jones Link |
preciousdove |
Jul-22-03 10:46 PM |
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Thanks. Remember Doug Jones link, and look to (c) and (f) above |
BevHarris |
Jul-22-03 11:18 PM |
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i |
Eloriel |
Jul-22-03 10:47 PM |
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LOL, speak for me anytime you want! |
DEMActivist |
Jul-22-03 11:14 PM |
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ROTFLMAO |
Eloriel |
Jul-22-03 11:21 PM |
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Sitting here in Georgia, in Cynthia McKinney's former district... |
onehandle |
Jul-23-03 12:40 AM |
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I repeat: What will it take (select above options) to convince you |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:50 AM |
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Rather than rely on your 'first hand' account.... |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 01:32 AM |
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I was convinced the first time I used an electronic voting |
SharonAnn |
Jul-22-03 10:51 PM |
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I can't help you... |
deseo |
Jul-22-03 10:56 PM |
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Yes, it's difficult to prove they've been tampered with .... |
SharonAnn |
Jul-22-03 11:25 PM |
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professional question, from one programmer to another |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 03:23 AM |
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Answer the question, don't hijack the topic (again) |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:09 AM |
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um |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 09:32 AM |
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Your answer was in post #59. Downthread. |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 10:00 AM |
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Option i |
ibegurpard |
Jul-22-03 11:01 PM |
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I. / I was pretty convinced there were problems after the 2002 elections |
shance |
Jul-22-03 11:10 PM |
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I haven't seen any DUers poo-poo that they might be rigged |
Cocoa |
Jul-22-03 11:14 PM |
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But I asked this question, Cocoa (and thanks for responding) |
BevHarris |
Jul-22-03 11:22 PM |
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?????? |
Eloriel |
Jul-22-03 11:26 PM |
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Option b ... |
white_rider |
Jul-22-03 11:14 PM |
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Any DUer that would poo-poo this must be full of shit n/t |
Dude_CalmDown |
Jul-22-03 11:29 PM |
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LOL, thanks for that. |
BevHarris |
Jul-22-03 11:34 PM |
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Option i, as you would have to UNconvince me. |
madfloridian |
Jul-22-03 11:33 PM |
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A question for you, madfloridian |
Eloriel |
Jul-22-03 11:51 PM |
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I remember NO coverage at all. |
madfloridian |
Jul-23-03 01:21 AM |
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St. Petersburg Times |
nomatrix |
Jul-23-03 07:20 PM |
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dupe of other post.....my precinct still uses butterfly ballots |
julka |
Jul-22-03 11:37 PM |
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Well if it's a Diebold Opti-Scan.... |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 01:44 AM |
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Cook County Illinois here |
hedda_foil |
Jul-23-03 11:22 AM |
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Can someone please explain... |
The Night Owl |
Jul-22-03 11:56 PM |
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The stories aren't being ignored. |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:01 AM |
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The media might be slow to pick up ... |
white_rider |
Jul-23-03 12:13 AM |
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They aren't slow on pick up, this time. |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:19 AM |
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The turn around time for investigative reporters is not a short one. |
davsand |
Jul-23-03 01:01 AM |
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Its been somewhat discouraging ... |
white_rider |
Jul-23-03 01:02 AM |
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I'd like a slice of "g)" please. |
JetJaguar |
Jul-23-03 12:03 AM |
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Woo-hoo! Something in the book, but I hadn't put much out on that |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:07 AM |
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Merlot is my personal fave |
Eloriel |
Jul-23-03 12:19 AM |
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Just the fact the code is there.... |
RedEagle |
Jul-23-03 12:35 AM |
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i, and for very good reasons |
angka |
Jul-23-03 12:48 AM |
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i |
noiretblu |
Jul-23-03 01:33 AM |
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Re: Accounting help -- If and when they ever formally |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:07 AM |
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really important issues |
noiretblu |
Jul-24-03 01:45 PM |
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You are a find! Thank you, and you will hear from me. |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 02:06 PM |
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c, d, f, & h (h is a biggie). e & g would be nice, too. Go for it. nt |
Wonk |
Jul-23-03 01:50 AM |
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I am an "i" person since 2000 - and I would add a "J" |
DagmarK |
Jul-23-03 01:57 AM |
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why assume it's the politicians who rig? I'd vote for corporate folks, |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:13 AM |
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Because at the initial voting fraud impementation stage |
DagmarK |
Jul-23-03 12:21 PM |
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You make good points. |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:40 PM |
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I do understand where you are coming from with the corps..... |
DagmarK |
Jul-23-03 12:55 PM |
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It seems that the IFES has already figured that out! |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 05:48 PM |
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show me the code |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 03:06 AM |
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How does one "routinely " dismiss someone having 25 posts? |
ianbruce |
Jul-23-03 05:46 AM |
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Heh. Nice graphic n/t |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:35 AM |
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Thanks Bev. I get inspired sometimes. |
ianbruce |
Jul-23-03 12:53 PM |
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Liked your analogy -- |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:57 PM |
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well done |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 09:37 AM |
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I look forward to asking you to eat your shoes |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:26 AM |
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some clarification |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 09:18 AM |
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So that tinfoil's credibility may be properly assessed: |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 09:33 AM |
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And in his spare time, too! |
Eloriel |
Jul-23-03 09:50 AM |
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more dismissal |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 09:58 AM |
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Your treatment is entirely warranted |
ibegurpard |
Jul-23-03 10:03 AM |
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whatever |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 10:29 AM |
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Tinfoil: how did you catch on to the "QuestionW" campaign so quick |
DagmarK |
Jul-23-03 12:36 PM |
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But tinfoil is definitely an upgrade |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 12:53 PM |
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I think, to be good sports, we should send shoes to tinfoil...... |
DagmarK |
Jul-23-03 01:03 PM |
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a few ways to prepare shoe |
angka |
Jul-23-03 04:08 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-23-03 02:56 PM |
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For the Sake of Argument |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jul-23-03 11:00 PM |
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Some quick answers.... |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-24-03 12:13 AM |
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Here Are Some TFHP Posts and Questions |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jul-24-03 01:34 AM |
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Perhaps you and TFHP will find some answers here |
DEMActivist |
Jul-24-03 01:54 AM |
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Rather than provide you with what I think.... |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-24-03 01:57 AM |
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I Certainly *Hope* So, But |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jul-24-03 02:00 AM |
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Once again you accuse us of making that claim! |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-24-03 03:48 AM |
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Umm...ParanoidPat? |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jul-24-03 03:51 AM |
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Perhaps imply would have been a better choice of a word... |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-24-03 05:18 AM |
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Too Early To Tell |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jul-24-03 11:09 AM |
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Here we go: |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 10:30 AM |
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I'll add to Bev's assessment.... |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 04:56 PM |
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So ParanoidPat, you're the troubleshooting beta-testing nightmare |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 05:21 PM |
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Not just the programmers! |
ParanoidPat |
Jul-23-03 06:31 PM |
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This is a complete non-story until you have evidence of actual vote fraud |
birdman |
Jul-23-03 06:02 AM |
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I don't think you'd be saying that if it was your local bank |
sybylla |
Jul-23-03 08:14 AM |
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Is there anybody who isn't in favor of safeguards ? |
birdman |
Jul-23-03 08:29 AM |
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Good, birdman weighs in with an answer. |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:30 AM |
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Hey Bev |
Zan_of_Texas |
Jul-24-03 06:32 PM |
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well-said |
TinfoilHatProgrammer |
Jul-23-03 10:01 AM |
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it is a story if there are security holes |
rman |
Jul-23-03 10:26 AM |
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Is the goal to take down republicans or is it to get a paper trail? |
orangepeel68 |
Jul-23-03 01:18 PM |
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Since you asked |
justicebuilder |
Jul-23-03 06:55 AM |
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And your answer to the question is??? |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 08:31 AM |
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OK. Obviously you are not interested in what I think. |
justicebuilder |
Jul-23-03 09:00 AM |
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Still looking for an answer: Take the "Bev" out and substitute |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 09:04 AM |
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Listen, I'm not even a naysayer |
justicebuilder |
Jul-23-03 09:35 AM |
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Thanks for your answers. |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 09:49 AM |
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I think you're wrong |
justicebuilder |
Jul-23-03 10:16 AM |
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That's true. Let me explain how I do these investigations |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 10:52 AM |
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I hate that too |
justicebuilder |
Jul-23-03 12:12 PM |
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That would be fine and well |
SDent |
Jul-23-03 02:27 PM |
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SDent: You didn't answer the question on the thread |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 03:34 PM |
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Okay, I'm pretty convinced of "might" |
Ivory_Tower |
Jul-23-03 07:03 AM |
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Convincing me and/or the population of DU is meaningless |
Mike_from_NoVa |
Jul-23-03 07:23 AM |
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I am certain they CAN and MIGHT be rigged |
Sushi_lover |
Jul-23-03 07:24 AM |
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I want a receipt |
markus |
Jul-23-03 08:07 AM |
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There are two separate issues: could be and have been |
orangepeel68 |
Jul-23-03 08:54 AM |
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Another bi-partisan issue revolves around primaries |
Eloriel |
Jul-23-03 09:42 AM |
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I'm on the line |
John_H |
Jul-23-03 09:58 AM |
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I want to see J |
Nederland |
Jul-23-03 10:17 AM |
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Dum Dum question from a layman |
nolabels |
Jul-23-03 01:11 PM |
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i) I'm convinced by the "no trail" guarantee |
dpbrown |
Jul-23-03 02:56 PM |
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i |
PATRICK |
Jul-23-03 03:14 PM |
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I'm not a nay-sayer, I don't think |
Mairead |
Jul-23-03 05:26 PM |
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i) Because we all know how THEY are... |
alaine |
Jul-23-03 06:15 PM |
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not a naysayer, so choice i |
4dog |
Jul-23-03 08:03 PM |
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bev, intent is hard to prove...what is easier to prove is ... |
cap |
Jul-23-03 10:06 PM |
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Major media, Major experts: NYT, Johns Hopkins University |
BevHarris |
Jul-23-03 11:18 PM |
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d) or e) |
Pobeka |
Jul-24-03 12:41 AM |
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The burden of proof... |
scottxyz |
Jul-24-03 03:36 AM |
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Two Different Questions.. |
devarsi |
Jul-24-03 04:59 AM |
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A kick. |
BevHarris |
Jul-24-03 01:25 PM |
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speaking as an engineer |
gasperc |
Jul-24-03 02:46 PM |
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kickity-kick |
loudsue |
Jul-24-03 06:57 PM |
#152 |
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