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mb_nyc Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 01:33 PM
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89. Why not work with some organizations ...
Many folks are doing just that.

If you won't accept the work of people who are studying the issue right now, and who have been doing so for years, I guess you'll just have to wait until more traditional outlets finally pick up on the problem.

>"Lastly, I see where there is no evidence that this backdoor has ever actually been used to rig elections. So there is no actual proof of anything significant - no wrongdoing, no conspiracy, no crime - just a theory that the voting machines MIGHT be able to be tampered with."

You underestimate the importance of the risk to the integrity of the voting process that DREs present when you set up your argument as demanding ONLY and exclusively the proof of fraud.

Please check out some of the links provided to other work being done on the issues of voting technologies.
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  -Black Box Voting: The first volley is OUT BevHarris  Jul-09-03 12:55 PM   #0 
  - Wow.....reading now.  HerbieHeadhunter   Jul-08-03 01:45 AM   #1 
  - Downloading now  nextbillgates   Jul-08-03 01:48 AM   #2 
  - AWESOME work Bev! Colleagues and friends been waiting for this!  Tinoire   Jul-08-03 01:48 AM   #3 
  - Bev I have forwarded this to select lists as well  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-08-03 01:50 AM   #4 
  - Hang on tight boys and girls!  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 01:54 AM   #5 
  - Why does Scoop not have  OhMyGod   Jul-08-03 01:59 AM   #6 
  - He does have it on his front page: Titled Bigger Than Watergate  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:08 AM   #10 
  - Yahoo Group?  suigeneris   Jul-08-03 02:06 AM   #7 
  - Sorry about that link... it is corrected now...  althecat   Jul-08-03 03:59 AM   #37 
  - Interesting reading. Any comments on their caveat, Bev?  Wonk   Jul-08-03 02:06 AM   #8 
  - Coming soon: Conversations with County Employees  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:11 AM   #12 
  - Thanks  fabius   Jul-08-03 02:07 AM   #9 
  - fanTAStic!! I have forwarded to 15 people --  ima_sinnic   Jul-08-03 02:10 AM   #11 
  - Yup, that's pretty much it, isn't it?  punpirate   Jul-08-03 02:12 AM   #13 
  - Pun -- The next piece will be familiar to you  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:20 AM   #15 
     - Well, I'll have to read the next installment...  punpirate   Jul-08-03 02:24 AM   #17 
        - The next part is not about code, but documentation.  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:40 AM   #21 
  - Wouldn't this article qualify for LBN?  Bushfire   Jul-08-03 02:13 AM   #14 
  - It is breaking -- but I didn't want to dup. It's hitting more news outlets  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:22 AM   #16 
  - Got 'em, coach ... err, I mean ... Bev!  MSchreader   Jul-08-03 02:32 AM   #18 
  - Glad to. PM me here with it  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:41 AM   #23 
  - Was the GAO involved?  higher class   Jul-08-03 02:33 AM   #19 
  - It is now up to THEM to prove their system can be trusted  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:49 AM   #24 
     - Sanity Check  OrdinaryTa   Jul-08-03 09:43 AM   #56 
  - Just Curious  OhMyGod   Jul-08-03 02:33 AM   #20 
  - Good idea! In fact, a comparison of systems vs accuracy  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:51 AM   #25 
  - We will not go gentle into that good night  angka   Jul-08-03 02:40 AM   #22 
  - Bev, Could you ask the legal team...  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 02:57 AM   #26 
  - A new forum is going up as we speak. Slashdot and all are invited  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 03:02 AM   #27 
     - No Bev, I mean from the Diebold code...  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 03:26 AM   #30 
        - Well those are comments, not code.  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 03:31 AM   #32 
           - I found quite a few real winners!  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 03:36 AM   #33 
              - Wooh! a thread of comments! Would you also post it  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 03:39 AM   #35 
                 - I'll be glad to!  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 03:44 AM   #36 
                 - Electronic Fronteir Foundation had a story July 2  cap   Jul-08-03 07:21 AM   #40 
  - I hope people "get" how big a deal this is...  IMayBeWrongBut   Jul-08-03 03:03 AM   #28 
  - Most likely method for that would be  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 03:17 AM   #29 
     - That's what the logic flow chart is for!  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 03:29 AM   #31 
  - The votes are recorded in 3 ledgers...  IMayBeWrongBut   Jul-08-03 03:37 AM   #34 
  - You Must Be Thrilled To Have This All Coming Together !  LibertyorDeath   Jul-08-03 05:22 AM   #38 
  - A bump for the morning crowd  spinbaby   Jul-08-03 07:10 AM   #39 
  - what comes first THANKS or CONGRATULATIONS?  tinanator   Jul-08-03 07:25 AM   #41 
  - ditto :-)  papau   Jul-08-03 03:12 PM   #99 
  - Mostly just a kick  IMayBeWrongBut   Jul-08-03 07:27 AM   #42 
  - GEMS Vote Counting Security Flaws: Clear and Devastating!  flpoljunkie   Jul-08-03 07:53 AM   #43 
  - Fantastic work....  deseo   Jul-08-03 08:02 AM   #44 
  - Buzzflash has it .  AbbPoacher   Jul-08-03 08:04 AM   #45 
  - Can't read the GEMS manual  jimmynochad   Jul-08-03 08:16 AM   #46 
  - Awesome!  laruemtt   Jul-08-03 08:23 AM   #47 
  - Any chance of making some consolidated Zip files?  schrodinger_I   Jul-08-03 08:39 AM   #48 
  - There are several GEMS manuals  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 09:43 AM   #57 
     - Tried but files are password protected  jimmynochad   Jul-08-03 10:14 AM   #58 
  - Incredibly lucid article , clear and understandable  Shaddann   Jul-08-03 08:46 AM   #49 
  - uh oh! the scoop links are DEAD  nostamj   Jul-08-03 08:56 AM   #50 
  - works now  dweller   Jul-08-03 09:10 AM   #54 
  - I've sent the links  MuseRider   Jul-08-03 08:57 AM   #51 
  - Thank you for all if this fantastic work. n/t  myrna minx   Jul-08-03 09:06 AM   #52 
  - I have an important request  sangh0   Jul-08-03 09:09 AM   #53 
  - Thanks!  PATRICK   Jul-08-03 09:33 AM   #55 
  - Question  Nederland   Jul-08-03 10:17 AM   #59 
  - Nope. Remote access will do.  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 10:19 AM   #60 
     - Connected?  Nederland   Jul-08-03 12:11 PM   #71 
        - Are machines connected to the internet? Do they have modems in them?  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 12:24 PM   #73 
           - Unbelievable (nt)  Nederland   Jul-08-03 12:34 PM   #78 
              - More than just an internet connection ...  Trajan   Jul-08-03 03:43 PM   #103 
                 - Much more than wireless as well  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 05:30 PM   #130 
  - This is phenomenally well done, Bev!  hedda_foil   Jul-08-03 10:37 AM   #61 
  - Here are simple security measures that would help immensely  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 10:51 AM   #64 
  - Why did they make the print so small?  WilliamPitt   Jul-08-03 10:42 AM   #62 
  - Re: text size  hedda_foil   Jul-08-03 10:47 AM   #63 
  - Hi, Will. There are two different articles; you are looking at an editoria  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 10:58 AM   #65 
     - I'm going to try to browbeat my techies  WilliamPitt   Jul-08-03 11:32 AM   #67 
     - Will -- I'm going to PM you, let me give you something no one has  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 11:48 AM   #69 
     - Great work Bev...  ianbruce   Jul-08-03 12:13 PM   #72 
     - Pls check out other sources, too.  mb_nyc   Jul-08-03 12:48 PM   #80 
        - Dr. Dill and also Dr. Rebecca Mercuri have vast info online  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 12:53 PM   #82 
           - Mercuri and Dill  mb_nyc   Jul-08-03 01:09 PM   #84 
              - Dr. Dill needs permission from legals to do this, so it's not a given  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 01:15 PM   #86 
                 - California Task Force Report  mb_nyc   Jul-08-03 01:21 PM   #87 
     - good work. I just sent the story out  alfredo   Jul-08-03 12:28 PM   #75 
        - Greetings!!! Alfredo!!!  Lostnote03   Jul-09-03 12:56 AM   #172 
           - Give them hell  alfredo   Jul-09-03 11:06 AM   #182 
  - I sent it to the Dean campaign  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 11:26 AM   #66 
  - Well, as a naysayer...  Imajika   Jul-08-03 01:23 PM   #88 
     - Why not work with some organizations ...  mb_nyc   Jul-08-03 01:33 PM   #89 
     - Agreed  Nederland   Jul-08-03 02:00 PM   #91 
     - ....Hype? You're entitled to your opinion  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 02:31 PM   #95 
     - Tired  Nederland   Jul-08-03 03:29 PM   #102 
     - Call me crazy  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 04:19 PM   #109 
     - Let me guess  Nederland   Jul-08-03 04:29 PM   #112 
     - You've seen all the code?  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 06:36 PM   #146 
     - I remember we had a thread about this subject & it involved the number 3  corarose   Jul-09-03 02:20 AM   #178 
     - Attack? What Attack? Just another opinion....  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 04:40 PM   #118 
        - Response  Nederland   Jul-08-03 04:52 PM   #121 
           - Sorry, not trying to pick a fight...  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 07:26 PM   #157 
     - I'm sorry but when you say a story is "bigger than Watergate"  birdman   Jul-08-03 05:58 PM   #134 
        - RE; "the notion that they will not get their vote counted"....  ParanoidPat   Jul-08-03 11:49 PM   #170 
     - Nederland  Imajika   Jul-08-03 05:54 PM   #133 
     - Nothing wrong with dissent, but...  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 06:16 PM   #138 
     - Just one thing, Imajika  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 10:00 PM   #164 
     - no evidence?  angka   Jul-09-03 09:09 AM   #181 
     - Ahh, Imajika. So good of you to join us.  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 03:09 PM   #98 
     - Well, nice to see you too  Imajika   Jul-08-03 05:25 PM   #127 
     - What I think, Imajika,  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 06:15 PM   #137 
     - Imajika?  truth2power   Jul-08-03 06:53 PM   #152 
     - heh  SDent   Jul-09-03 03:02 PM   #184 
     - Blah blah blah .....  Trajan   Jul-08-03 04:00 PM   #107 
     - why is important that everyone be totally convinced?  Cocoa   Jul-08-03 04:42 PM   #119 
     - Hmm  chadm   Jul-08-03 04:38 PM   #116 
     - Yes...  Imajika   Jul-08-03 06:30 PM   #143 
     - the same party...the CFR ?  birdman   Jul-08-03 06:39 PM   #148 
        - Oh yes, for certain  Imajika   Jul-08-03 06:53 PM   #151 
           - Watch out you're going to be called a Rove plant  birdman   Jul-08-03 06:58 PM   #153 
              - Nah...not you birdman...  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 07:02 PM   #154 
                 - Ca-ching  birdman   Jul-08-03 07:12 PM   #156 
     - Who cares if it brings anyone down  FlaGranny   Jul-08-03 06:35 PM   #145 
        - Exactly!  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 06:42 PM   #149 
        - DING, DING, DING!!!  ibegurpard   Jul-09-03 01:40 AM   #175 
  - Smart strategy Bev--you ROCK  DrBB   Jul-08-03 11:35 AM   #68 
  - LOL. Nicely put.  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 11:51 AM   #70 
     - Soon to undergo what the bio-hazard experts call  DrBB   Jul-08-03 12:26 PM   #74 
     - i am SO frustrated!  nostamj   Jul-08-03 12:28 PM   #76 
  - kick! - saw it first at BuzzFlash  donsu   Jul-08-03 12:30 PM   #77 
  - It's propagating. Just went up on  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 12:40 PM   #79 
  - Link here  antigop   Jul-08-03 12:50 PM   #81 
  - Slashdot  Crisco   Jul-08-03 08:11 PM   #160 
  - I am letting some University people in on this as well.  midnitemoleman   Jul-08-03 01:06 PM   #83 
  - Alt web address due to system overload at Scoop New Zealand  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 01:11 PM   #85 
  - Just sent it out to  alfredo   Jul-08-03 01:38 PM   #90 
  - Bev, what a fantastic bit of work!  juajen   Jul-08-03 02:25 PM   #94 
  - Kick  dmr   Jul-08-03 02:01 PM   #92 
  - Georgia newspapers are calling  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 02:10 PM   #93 
  - I gave the story to...  sgr2   Jul-08-03 02:43 PM   #96 
  - Hallelujah  party_line   Jul-08-03 02:48 PM   #97 
  - WooHoo!!!  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 03:57 PM   #106 
  - CandidateCounter and SumCandidateCounter are not copies  Fredda Weinberg   Jul-08-03 03:18 PM   #100 
  - top story on www.slashdot.org!  Chef_Ramen_Noodle   Jul-08-03 03:28 PM   #101 
  - My favorite line from a slashdot post:  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 03:44 PM   #104 
     - My favorite line --  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 06:48 PM   #150 
     - LOL  Lostnote03   Jul-09-03 01:12 AM   #173 
  - Bev this is REALLY BIG !  bearfan454   Jul-08-03 03:46 PM   #105 
  - I just sent more messages  alfredo   Jul-08-03 04:01 PM   #108 
  - the nz site must be swamped...  grasswire   Jul-08-03 04:19 PM   #110 
     - Mirror=whatreallyhappened.com  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 04:21 PM   #111 
  - Shhhhhh....  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 04:33 PM   #113 
  - Moving up the media food chain  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 04:36 PM   #114 
  - So Bev  supercrash   Jul-08-03 05:02 PM   #124 
     - Not Bev, but....  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 05:15 PM   #126 
        - Exactly...  deseo   Jul-08-03 06:30 PM   #144 
  - SCOOP.NZ HAS BEEN SLASHDOTTED!!!!!!  Walt Starr   Jul-08-03 04:38 PM   #115 
  - A little perspective  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 04:39 PM   #117 
  - I'll second that - great summary post!  Pobeka   Jul-08-03 06:27 PM   #142 
  - You're right!  truth2power   Jul-08-03 07:07 PM   #155 
  - It does explain a lot  dusty64   Jul-08-03 09:32 PM   #163 
  - Does Cali have black box voting....  Nazgul35   Jul-08-03 04:46 PM   #120 
  - Yes  hunter   Jul-08-03 05:40 PM   #132 
  - Kick  zekeson   Jul-08-03 04:53 PM   #122 
  - A Big Kick  TNOE   Jul-08-03 04:55 PM   #123 
  - that slashdot thread....  grasswire   Jul-08-03 05:05 PM   #125 
  - Congrats, Bev!  tjdee   Jul-08-03 05:25 PM   #128 
  - Having trouble bringing up the Scoop site  Dover   Jul-08-03 05:29 PM   #129 
  - Busy, busy, busy...try here  DEMActivist   Jul-08-03 05:31 PM   #131 
     - Thanks!........  Dover   Jul-08-03 06:01 PM   #135 
  - Thanks from Johnson County KS-home of the shining new machines!  MidwestMomma   Jul-08-03 06:10 PM   #136 
  - Logged, I will put those files on my server as well  JCMach1   Jul-08-03 06:17 PM   #139 
  - Bev, I will also keep them filed away and make them  JCMach1   Jul-08-03 06:21 PM   #141 
  - It is up at radio free nation!!  alfredo   Jul-08-03 06:19 PM   #140 
  - I believe the atmosphere is right now for this to really get legs.  madfloridian   Jul-08-03 06:37 PM   #147 
  - I'm glad to see this out, but  dusty64   Jul-08-03 07:28 PM   #158 
  - I've watched Scoop pretty carefully for 9 months. He's no dummy  BevHarris   Jul-08-03 10:35 PM   #165 
     - It does seem like the harris  dusty64   Jul-09-03 07:18 AM   #180 
  - Thanks for your work, Bev.  ih8thegop   Jul-08-03 07:50 PM   #159 
  - Definitely  Eloriel   Jul-08-03 08:55 PM   #161 
  - Thanks so much, Bev!  Vadem   Jul-08-03 09:08 PM   #162 
  - kicking  ibegurpard   Jul-08-03 10:35 PM   #166 
  - I'm having a major tinfoil attack here.  ibegurpard   Jul-08-03 11:13 PM   #167 
  - Niger claims have been building up sometime ...  white_rider   Jul-08-03 11:21 PM   #168 
     - You can try....  ParanoidPat   Jul-09-03 12:13 AM   #171 
        - Hmmm ... perhaps Diebold should have used LASsie?  white_rider   Jul-09-03 01:37 AM   #174 
           - ROFLMAO! Are you trying to tell me....  ParanoidPat   Jul-09-03 01:49 AM   #176 
  - the attempted recall of cal. governor gray davis  Insider   Jul-08-03 11:32 PM   #169 
  - Bev have you seen this story yet? Just picked it up in LBN and don't  Dover   Jul-09-03 01:54 AM   #177 
  - Kick  LibertyorDeath   Jul-09-03 03:59 AM   #179 
  - kick  donsu   Jul-09-03 01:55 PM   #183 
 

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