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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. you already used that line
I think you should've used "its comments like these that make us lose elections and alienate the mainstream" instead.

Routine 47, Carlos. Stay on script!
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  -defending Starpass, and supporting Iraqi resistance.... mike_c  Nov-04-03 07:07 PM   #0 
  - you have NO IDEA what a MIND READER YOU ARE!!  matcom   Nov-04-03 07:09 PM   #1 
  - the moral dillemma we are placed in (thanks to Bush)...  arcane1   Nov-04-03 07:10 PM   #2 
  - Or as Rumsfield said  Maple   Nov-04-03 07:10 PM   #3 
  - No, they didn't.  RC   Nov-04-03 07:16 PM   #14 
     - It is no surprise in America  Maple   Nov-04-03 07:19 PM   #22 
  - Saddam Hussein and those who support him are not the good guys  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:12 PM   #4 
  - Who are you  Maple   Nov-04-03 07:15 PM   #11 
  - And the Iraqis got a say about Hussein's government how?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:18 PM   #16 
  - and the Iraqis got a say about Bremer's government how?  thebigidea   Nov-04-03 07:19 PM   # 
  - they didn't, and that's why I agree with DK  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:22 PM   #29 
  - It's not up to you to decide  Maple   Nov-04-03 07:22 PM   #27 
  - Is it up the to Kurds?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:29 PM   #39 
  - If the blanks didn't like blank, they could have ousted him.  leanings   Nov-04-03 07:40 PM   #64 
  - You forgot to add Bush - A,mericans  Solomon   Nov-05-03 09:51 AM   #209 
  - Saddam would have been easy?  Wellong   Nov-04-03 07:48 PM   #80 
     - You have a point. We have a bogus "president" who was not elected,  karlschneider   Nov-04-03 07:58 PM   #102 
  - So you are in favor of imposing democracy  Eloriel   Nov-04-03 07:41 PM   #66 
  - Who made Iraq a nation?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:46 PM   #77 
  - No we favor ignoring them unless they threaten us.  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:02 PM   #108 
  - We weren't ignoring him, that's the problem  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 08:07 PM   #115 
     - If they are accomplices what makes you think they  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:17 PM   #124 
        - stop letting the Republicans define this okay?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 08:39 PM   #137 
           - and I didn't make the democrats let the repukes define this  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:49 PM   #141 
              - So was I, and now I'm against the occupation  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 08:52 PM   #143 
  - Britain made Iraq a nation - not Hussein  Scott Lee   Nov-04-03 08:04 PM   #111 
     - of course  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 08:50 PM   #142 
  - If we want to get technical  Wellong   Nov-04-03 07:50 PM   #86 
     - I do remember hearing that argument made quite eloquently...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 08:08 PM   #116 
     - That's not getting technical...it's being 100% wrong!  RapidCreek   Nov-05-03 09:14 AM   #206 
     - Dupe  RapidCreek   Nov-05-03 09:17 AM   #207 
  - Our government recognized Hussein's reign as legitimate.  Isome   Nov-04-03 11:22 PM   #161 
  - OK, using that strategy, you would have fought Japan  Muddleoftheroad   Nov-04-03 11:31 PM   #162 
  - that's neither what I said, nor in any way relevant....  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:16 PM   #12 
  - and the reasons for war are irrelevant  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:19 PM   #19 
     - I don't think we have an obligation to impose democracy on the Iraqies  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 07:57 PM   #99 
        - of course Bush wants to replace Hussein with a pro-US dictator  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 08:04 PM   #112 
           - So we are supposed to support Bush replacing Hussien with another  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:11 PM   #117 
  - Well, there were no Democrats in 1776. Just a lot of really pissed off  karlschneider   Nov-04-03 07:25 PM   #31 
  - Outside interference  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:37 PM   #58 
  - What planet have you been on...?  kalian   Nov-04-03 07:33 PM   #50 
  - Earth! You know the one  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-04-03 07:39 PM   #60 
     - Maybe the US should STOP meddling in other country's INTERNAL affairs  kalian   Nov-04-03 10:54 PM   #150 
        - let's read what you wrote  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-05-03 01:45 AM   #167 
  - Where two are fighting, is one good and the other bad?  rman   Nov-05-03 03:05 AM   #182 
  - logical fallacy: "false dilemma"  rman   Nov-05-03 03:09 AM   #186 
     - logical fallacy: "strawman"  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-05-03 09:57 AM   #211 
  - When will you ever learn?  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:12 PM   #5 
  - oh?  thebigidea   Nov-04-03 07:14 PM   #8 
  - For starters...  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:17 PM   #15 
  - Our troops are not the good guys?  Nlighten1   Nov-04-03 07:16 PM   #13 
  - would you use that argument to oppose fighting foreign...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:20 PM   #25 
  - they only did as they were told..  frylock   Nov-04-03 07:22 PM   #28 
     - I take it neither of you have been in the military.  Nlighten1   Nov-04-03 07:34 PM   #55 
        - I'm probably a bit out of the discussion loop here, just got back from  karlschneider   Nov-04-03 07:53 PM   #92 
  - well, it seems you either know FAR more about what's really...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:18 PM   #18 
  - Right, because anyone who doesn't view the people killing our troops...  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:26 PM   #33 
     - is that all it's about for you? votes?  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:29 PM   #38 
        - No, that's fairly low on the totem pole.  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:32 PM   #49 
           - you consider it morally repugnant for Iraqi's to defend their...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:41 PM   #67 
              - No, I consider your position morally repugnant  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:47 PM   #78 
                 - whew  thebigidea   Nov-04-03 07:50 PM   #87 
                 - Right.  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:56 PM   #96 
                    - so now I love the enemy, huh? With us or against us, I guess.  thebigidea   Nov-04-03 07:58 PM   #100 
                    - when did you start thinking of the Iraqi people as "the enemy?"  mike_c   Nov-04-03 08:06 PM   #113 
                    - Right turn!  kalian   Nov-04-03 11:02 PM   #156 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-04-03 11:01 PM   #155 
                 - And I don't think ...  Isome   Nov-04-03 11:35 PM   #163 
  - Spot on post.  betio   Nov-04-03 07:43 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-04-03 07:50 PM   #88 
  - One thing that gets lost  bushwentawol   Nov-04-03 07:13 PM   #6 
  - Agreed on Saudi Arabia.  DealsGapRider   Nov-04-03 07:15 PM   #9 
  - Understanding Vs. Sentiment  Beetwasher   Nov-04-03 07:13 PM   #7 
  - And here's the problem  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:15 PM   #10 
  - calling me out?  matcom   Nov-04-03 07:18 PM   #17 
  - I'm replying to your response in this thread  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:19 PM   #20 
  - Hello?  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:27 PM   #35 
  - Let us utilize come history...  FAndy9   Nov-04-03 07:47 PM   #79 
     - De que parte de Argentina sos?  kalian   Nov-04-03 10:56 PM   #151 
     - excellent insight, merits some wider consideration  iverglas   Nov-05-03 02:02 AM   #171 
     - Yuo see in this you are blaming the correct  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 02:25 AM   #178 
        - eh?  iverglas   Nov-05-03 02:52 AM   #181 
           - Yes, the secret police deserved blame  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 03:05 AM   #183 
              - sweetie, you must need one of those lattes  iverglas   Nov-05-03 03:33 AM   #188 
  - Thank you, Will  missb   Nov-04-03 07:19 PM   #21 
  - while all of that might be true, it's the troops, not the leaders...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:27 PM   #34 
  - Straw man  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:30 PM   #40 
  - then why should Iraqis?  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:32 PM   #46 
     - Very much so  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:34 PM   #54 
     - The Iraqis can and should fight for what they believe in  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:35 PM   #56 
        - this isn't about "what they believe in," Will....  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:39 PM   #62 
           - They have that right  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:43 PM   #68 
              - that's intellectually dishonest....  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:48 PM   #82 
                 - I think it is quite clear that those of us  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:50 PM   #89 
                 - Justice  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 07:56 PM   #98 
                 - do you think the forcible, violent occupation of Iraq is just?  mike_c   Nov-04-03 08:02 PM   #107 
                    - So because it is unjust we should cheer American soldiers  Clark Can WIN   Nov-04-03 11:11 PM   #159 
                 - Because someone will not stand with you and cheer when people die  Clark Can WIN   Nov-04-03 11:13 PM   #160 
  - The left has a very nasty  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:31 PM   #44 
  - not to put to sharp a point on it, but...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:36 PM   #57 
  - Again you are confusing Apples and Oranges  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:44 PM   #73 
  - Oh really?  kalian   Nov-04-03 11:01 PM   #154 
     - Just like Nam  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 01:46 AM   #168 
  - Will you support the troops when they shoot their officers?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Nov-05-03 02:17 AM   #175 
  - seems easily solved  iverglas   Nov-04-03 08:01 PM   #105 
  - OYe My father was in Viet Nam too.  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:06 PM   #114 
  - They will use it again  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:16 PM   #123 
  - Cointelpro was probably responsible for alot of obnoxiousness in the 60s  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:20 PM   #127 
     - I agree it seems today  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:42 PM   #140 
  - MY FATHER GOT SPAT ON  WilliamPitt   Nov-04-03 08:21 PM   #128 
  - Who did it? where did this happen? and when did it happen?  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:25 PM   #129 
  - really, thats disgusting...  bpilgrim   Nov-04-03 09:01 PM   #145 
  - You'd think that...  newyorican   Nov-04-03 08:34 PM   #135 
     - I think many vets felt abused for having been sent there  Classical_Liberal   Nov-04-03 08:40 PM   #138 
  - Spat On? PROVE IT!!!  St_Just   Nov-05-03 05:53 AM   #195 
     - It happened.  BullGooseLoony   Nov-05-03 07:45 AM   #202 
     - what do you want? DNA evidence? full color video? DISPROVE IT!  DS1   Nov-05-03 09:39 AM   #208 
  - There is no defense of wishing harm on American soldiers  DoubleYellowDog   Nov-04-03 07:20 PM   #23 
  - wishing harm on anyone  G_j   Nov-04-03 07:32 PM   #47 
  - reread my post-- I didn't "wish harm" on anyone...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:54 PM   #94 
     - didn't say you did  G_j   Nov-04-03 08:02 PM   #109 
        - thanks for clarifying that.  mike_c   Nov-04-03 08:12 PM   #118 
  - if wishes were horses  iverglas   Nov-05-03 02:15 AM   #174 
  - Nuremberg, a soldier's duty, and defending the country  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 07:20 PM   #24 
  - Here is the trick  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:28 PM   #36 
  - Should a soldier obey an order to harm your child?  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 07:34 PM   #53 
     - That would be clearly an ilegal order  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:39 PM   #61 
        - And it was an illegal order to invade Iraq  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 07:44 PM   #72 
           - If only it were that simple.  Nlighten1   Nov-04-03 07:48 PM   #81 
           - Yes, it is exactly that simple.  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 07:56 PM   #97 
              - Your example is flawed as it falls  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:13 PM   #119 
                 - I do not agree that it is legal to shoot an Iraqi child but not American  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 08:29 PM   #134 
                    - Read bellow about the Geneva Convention  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:41 PM   #139 
           - Under strict definion of the law the order  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:49 PM   #84 
           - And that same legality covers the soldier's order to harm your child  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 07:52 PM   #91 
           - I wish it was that simple  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:54 PM   #95 
              - It is as simple as whether the soldier shoots your child, or does not  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 08:01 PM   #106 
                 - Read above  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:15 PM   #121 
                    - I think you mean illegal if it's YOUR child, but legal if it;s an Iraqi  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 08:26 PM   #131 
                       - No I mean it in the true meaning of the UCMJ  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:37 PM   #136 
                          - I'm sure you will forgive me for not returning your ad hom  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 08:55 PM   #144 
                             - Yuo are simplifhying  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 09:07 PM   #146 
                                - It is not I who simplifies, but the child and the gun, and I see your  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-04-03 09:19 PM   #147 
                                   - I sugest you read the Geneva Convention  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 01:38 AM   #166 
                                      - the best way to support the troops is to hope and pray, if you pray  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-05-03 01:54 AM   #169 
                                         - Sorry but you are making the  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 02:01 AM   #170 
                                            - While I am not able to respond to personal attacks, I think you forgot  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-05-03 02:09 AM   #173 
                                            - You know what you perceive as hositility is not hostility  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 02:17 AM   #176 
                                            - I wonder if you are confusing me with someone else?  DuctapeFatwa   Nov-05-03 02:32 AM   #179 
                                            - heh ... you 'n me both  iverglas   Nov-05-03 03:07 AM   #184 
                                            - No I am not  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 03:08 AM   #185 
           - you'll admit that the Iraqis are in the right, but you still oppose...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:59 PM   #104 
              - I am not oposing their right to  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:14 PM   #120 
           - Why?  Muddleoftheroad   Nov-05-03 06:43 AM   #197 
  - agreed, 100 percent.  mike_c   Nov-04-03 07:30 PM   #43 
     - You have never served I take it  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:32 PM   #48 
  - Do the troops know that they can refuse ?  DUreader   Nov-04-03 07:21 PM   #26 
  - Many have applied for  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:28 PM   #37 
     - Conscientious objector status is extremely difficult  BullGooseLoony   Nov-05-03 07:50 AM   #203 
  - Look people  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:25 PM   #30 
  - and would you arguethat troops invading America also...  mike_c   Nov-04-03 08:16 PM   #122 
     - I already told you  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:19 PM   #126 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-04-03 07:25 PM   #32 
  - Oh really? In what way?  kalian   Nov-04-03 07:30 PM   #41 
  - don't interupt him when he's going off like this  Aidoneus   Nov-04-03 07:33 PM   #52 
  - Do you hate the military  jiacinto   Nov-04-03 07:40 PM   #63 
     - you already used that line  thebigidea   Nov-04-03 07:43 PM   #69 
     - may I ask  iverglas   Nov-04-03 07:46 PM   #76 
     - Its not about "hating" a specific organization....  kalian   Nov-04-03 10:52 PM   #149 
        - deleted  Zhade   Nov-05-03 04:17 AM   #191 
  - Damned dupe....  kalian   Nov-04-03 07:30 PM   #42 
  - Folks...you have a VOLUNTEER military now....  Maple   Nov-04-03 07:31 PM   #45 
  - And yuor point is  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 07:38 PM   #59 
  - good grief  iverglas   Nov-04-03 07:52 PM   #90 
     - Here are your answers  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:26 PM   #130 
     - uh huh ... and OJ Simpson  iverglas   Nov-05-03 02:36 AM   #180 
        - Sorry but this is not waht I am gettng from many a posts  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 03:16 AM   #187 
           - lessons of history  iverglas   Nov-05-03 04:04 AM   #189 
              - That sweetie is NOT what I am reading  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 04:13 AM   #190 
                 - getting a clue  iverglas   Nov-05-03 04:30 AM   #192 
                    - Then stay out of this one  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 04:54 AM   #193 
                       - Quite simply  Spentastic   Nov-05-03 05:34 AM   #194 
                          - there are ways of critizing, and then there are ways  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-03 06:05 AM   #196 
                             - I'm just curious  iverglas   Nov-05-03 06:46 AM   #198 
     - Here are your answers  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-04-03 08:26 PM   #132 
  - Does that mean they aren't our sons and daughters anymore? nt  BullGooseLoony   Nov-05-03 07:52 AM   #204 
  - I respectfully agree  Warren Stuart   Nov-04-03 07:43 PM   #70 
  - then please go enlist then  ithacan   Nov-04-03 07:45 PM   #74 
  - you aren't wrong.  enki23   Nov-04-03 07:33 PM   #51 
  - risking repeating myself  iverglas   Nov-04-03 07:41 PM   #65 
  - good one  G_j   Nov-04-03 07:49 PM   #85 
     - Ta! and may I recommend post 79  iverglas   Nov-05-03 02:08 AM   #172 
  - interesting post with the typical patriotically correct knee jerk  jonnyblitz   Nov-04-03 07:45 PM   #75 
  - Simplistic much?  gulliver   Nov-04-03 07:49 PM   #83 
  - Please...  FAndy9   Nov-04-03 07:58 PM   #103 
  - Inflammatory - and right on the money  Scott Lee   Nov-04-03 07:53 PM   #93 
  - Since I seem to be part of this thread I thought I would jump into the pit  Starpass   Nov-04-03 07:58 PM   #101 
  - I agree Starpass  FAndy9   Nov-04-03 08:03 PM   #110 
  - I'm just not sure  G_j   Nov-04-03 08:19 PM   #125 
  - What you've got to ask yourself is...  DrWeird   Nov-04-03 08:26 PM   #133 
  - Great post....right on the money.  kalian   Nov-04-03 10:51 PM   #148 
  - Words from the White Rose  Minstrel Boy   Nov-05-03 06:52 AM   #199 
     - it is our duty for those who see it this way to pass the word...  bpilgrim   Nov-05-03 09:56 AM   #210 
  - I will not support the killing of Americans by anyone!!!!!!!! n/t  squanto   Nov-04-03 10:57 PM   #152 
  - How about invading countries....?  kalian   Nov-04-03 11:04 PM   #157 
     - I don't care what you think  squanto   Nov-05-03 12:12 AM   #164 
        - a perfect example of why we have wars  thebigidea   Nov-05-03 12:16 AM   #165 
  - Yes we are the aggrssor nation  Clark Can WIN   Nov-04-03 10:58 PM   #153 
  - That is why....  kalian   Nov-04-03 11:05 PM   #158 
  - Extremely well said.  neuvocat   Nov-05-03 02:21 AM   #177 
  - "I cannot cheer for someone who kills my neighbors children"  Minstrel Boy   Nov-05-03 08:06 AM   #205 
  - I CONCUR!  ElsewheresDaughter   Nov-05-03 07:28 AM   #200 
     - I simply wonder sometimes  G_j   Nov-05-03 07:41 AM   #201 
 

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