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4. Will - Devil's advocate
I am still undecided about who to support for the Democratic nomination. As for Clark, your thesis has been the central question for me, and it does not answer one nagging question I have: As a four-star general, wasn't Clark privy to the same set of facts and intelligence that we on DU had prior to the war? If so, why couldn't he "Use the brain God gave him" then?

This is why I have a hard time supporting anyone who supported the war or the Iraq resolution - I feel that they SHOULD have know exactly what we knew then.

(That said, I will support the eventual Democratic nominee, no matter who.)
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  -A comment about Wesley Clark and the war WilliamPitt  Oct-29-03 09:52 PM   #0 
  - Why would Clark supporters  Girlfriday   Oct-29-03 09:58 PM   #1 
  - My understanding  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 09:59 PM   #3 
  - You are right about that  Girlfriday   Oct-29-03 10:07 PM   #10 
  - I can support thoughtful people. People who cannot change their mind  roguevalley   Oct-29-03 10:10 PM   #14 
  - Pragmatism  Beetwasher   Oct-29-03 09:59 PM   #2 
  - Will - Devil's advocate  Finnfan   Oct-29-03 10:00 PM   #4 
  - I don't have an answer for that  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 10:05 PM   #6 
  - According to the Rolling Stone interview...  xray s   Oct-29-03 11:40 PM   #51 
  - I don't remember Clark supporting the war.  alcuno   Oct-29-03 10:07 PM   #11 
  - He did that, too  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 10:10 PM   #13 
     - I seem to remember...  graham67   Oct-29-03 10:57 PM   #32 
     - links, please  Woodstock   Oct-30-03 06:13 PM   #95 
  - My condolences on The Jints Season  GalleryGod   Oct-30-03 04:14 AM   #72 
  - Will, I think you have the timing a little messed up  sgr2   Oct-30-03 06:08 PM   #93 
  - I value growth- even in pols but  party_line   Oct-29-03 10:03 PM   #5 
  - Clark Supported Invading Iraq?  cryingshame   Oct-29-03 10:05 PM   #7 
  - He said he would have voted for the IWR  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 10:06 PM   #9 
     - Don't you think though that as a military man  Girlfriday   Oct-29-03 10:09 PM   #12 
     - I suppose  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 10:11 PM   #15 
        - Was He Saying That As An Analyst, Commentator  cryingshame   Oct-29-03 10:15 PM   #18 
     - links, please  Woodstock   Oct-30-03 06:15 PM   #96 
     - A couple of things:  kiahzero   Oct-30-03 06:26 PM   #101 
     - from a military point of view.. Yes he was impressed with the  Kahuna   Oct-30-03 07:07 PM   #113 
  - This is where it gets difficult  MuseRider   Oct-29-03 10:06 PM   #8 
  - I think he spoke no more in favor of it than some other  BillyBunter   Oct-29-03 10:11 PM   #16 
  - I can't speak for Clark personally  mzpip   Oct-29-03 10:11 PM   #17 
  - I always felt he flip flopped a bit  incapsulated   Oct-29-03 10:16 PM   #19 
  - Lieberman really got Clark on this very point during the last debate  IndianaGreen   Oct-29-03 10:16 PM   #20 
  - Fair enough  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 10:20 PM   #22 
  - Was Clark Praising Bush & Co. Or The Specific Military Campaign  cryingshame   Oct-29-03 10:21 PM   #23 
     - Clark was praising both!  IndianaGreen   Oct-29-03 11:10 PM   #37 
        - Uhhh,  BillyBunter   Oct-29-03 11:29 PM   #44 
        - The Bush's "resolve" that Clark is talking about  IndianaGreen   Oct-29-03 11:33 PM   #48 
           - No, the deception was borne from the resolve.  BillyBunter   Oct-29-03 11:40 PM   #50 
              - Those of us that opposed the war knew all about the deceptions  IndianaGreen   Oct-30-03 12:07 AM   #57 
                 - You gave up trying to support your original  BillyBunter   Oct-30-03 01:48 AM   #69 
        - Can You Not Distinguish The Diplomacy  cryingshame   Oct-29-03 11:32 PM   #47 
        - These aren't the words of someone who sees a PNAC illegal oil war.  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-29-03 11:33 PM   #49 
        - We must learn to read entire articles,  BillyBunter   Oct-29-03 11:43 PM   #52 
        - Indeed, Mr. Bunter  The Magistrate   Oct-30-03 12:03 AM   #56 
        - Good evening, gents. I wish we were hoisting a few in person. Survival.  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-30-03 12:51 AM   #63 
        - Great graphic. You made me guffaw. I truly appreciate your droll wit.  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-30-03 12:57 AM   #64 
        - Clark Is The Only Viable Candidate Willing To Cut Pentagon Spending  cryingshame   Oct-29-03 11:45 PM   #53 
           - Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate that will cut the Pentagon budget  IndianaGreen   Oct-30-03 12:12 AM   # 
              - Clark is on record as favoring a Pentagon cut  RandomUser   Oct-30-03 06:23 AM   #74 
              - Ah_but who could actually do it?  Donna Zen   Oct-30-03 09:48 PM   #123 
        - Sorry, I don't see his gung ho, let's invade statements  Woodstock   Oct-30-03 06:23 PM   #98 
  - I dunno  Bucky   Oct-29-03 10:18 PM   #21 
  - I have the same experience/impression  Woodstock   Oct-30-03 06:25 PM   #100 
  - It's true, Clark was always on America's side  WhoCountsTheVotes   Oct-29-03 10:22 PM   #24 
  - its not an opinion  Dr Satan   Oct-29-03 10:25 PM   #25 
  - What does that mean?  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 10:25 PM   #27 
     - I dont know  Dr Satan   Oct-29-03 11:04 PM   #35 
  - One thing to keep in mind...  Tatiana   Oct-29-03 10:25 PM   #26 
  - Will I love what CLark is saying NOW....  TLM   Oct-29-03 10:31 PM   #28 
  - I think a lot  mzpip   Oct-29-03 10:42 PM   #30 
     - Is it not that he hoped for the best because he was in the military...  TLM   Oct-30-03 01:43 AM   #68 
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  - I'm of two minds on this...  VelmaD   Oct-29-03 10:39 PM   #29 
  - I didn't see every minute of Clark on CNN  union_maid   Oct-29-03 10:53 PM   #31 
  - Intresting, Clark spoke on this subject yesterday, but no comment against.  Code_Name_D   Oct-29-03 11:03 PM   #33 
  - Well...  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 11:06 PM   #36 
  - Which is basically Gen. Clark's perspective.  Tatiana   Oct-29-03 11:11 PM   #38 
  - A responce.  Code_Name_D   Oct-29-03 11:17 PM   #40 
     - OK  WilliamPitt   Oct-29-03 11:30 PM   #46 
        - Keeping at it.  Code_Name_D   Oct-30-03 12:42 AM   #60 
  - Let's consider your bolded parts  RandomUser   Oct-29-03 11:25 PM   #42 
  - The weirdest attempt to argue semantics that I have ever seen.  Code_Name_D   Oct-29-03 11:57 PM   #55 
     - Let me clarify  RandomUser   Oct-30-03 04:09 AM   #71 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-03 07:01 AM   #76 
           - Honestly, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-30-03 04:26 PM   #83 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-03 05:55 PM   #90 
           - It's a Worthless, Semantical Argument Only To Those Ignorant of Strategy  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 04:37 PM   #85 
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                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-03 06:02 PM   #92 
                       - Umm...Huh?  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 06:12 PM   #94 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-03 06:23 PM   #99 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-03 06:30 PM   #102 
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                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-03 06:59 PM   #111 
  - Mixing up your wars Code-man  Donna Zen   Oct-30-03 09:09 PM   #121 
     - Since 19 Saudis (supposedly) hijacked planes, NATO oks Afghan invasion?  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-31-03 12:35 AM   #130 
  - I don't agree with your assessment.  Skwmom   Oct-29-03 11:03 PM   #34 
  - not sure I can agree  dudeness   Oct-29-03 11:14 PM   #39 
  - That's the same reason why I don't bash Lieberman on his war views  IndianaGreen   Oct-29-03 11:23 PM   #41 
  - An Excellent Point, Mr. Pitt  The Magistrate   Oct-29-03 11:26 PM   #43 
  - I havent decided on a canidate yet but Wesley is not a dem  lynndew2   Oct-29-03 11:29 PM   #45 
  - I'm Certainly Glad to Hear THAT!  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 12:17 PM   #79 
     - Fear! F E A R ! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!  Code_Name_D   Oct-30-03 12:29 PM   #81 
     - LOL!  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 12:32 PM   #82 
     - Well Said, Mr. Hawk!  The Magistrate   Oct-30-03 04:36 PM   #84 
        - Are we not the super men? Ya we are the super men!  Code_Name_D   Oct-30-03 06:20 PM   #97 
           - You Really Are Not Very Good At This, Are You, Fellow?  The Magistrate   Oct-30-03 10:54 PM   #127 
           - I wanna be on your ignore list!!!  xultar   Oct-31-03 09:44 AM   #145 
     - Dear Gods!  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-03 06:47 PM   #105 
        - Check Out the Subthread Starting From Post #85  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 06:50 PM   #107 
           - Yeah, too true  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-03 07:19 PM   #117 
     - Hmm. A smaller body count than if BushCo won. Gotta appreciate that.  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-31-03 12:43 AM   #131 
  - The thing about "flip-flopping"...  Blue-Jay   Oct-29-03 11:51 PM   #54 
  - To tell the truth, I never got the impression that he  Clete   Oct-30-03 12:12 AM   #58 
  - I do not agree that Clark waffled about this war...  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-30-03 12:37 AM   #59 
  - Here's the actual link .......for the above  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-30-03 12:42 AM   #61 
  - In reference to whether he supported the resolution.....  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-30-03 12:48 AM   #62 
  - I believe that the author of this article makes my point  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-30-03 01:05 AM   #65 
  - I agree, Will  juajen   Oct-30-03 01:09 AM   #66 
  - Finally, Clark did get roasted for his remarks on CNN......  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-30-03 01:18 AM   #67 
  - Declared Kerry supporter...  JackRiddler   Oct-30-03 05:04 AM   #73 
  - "Politically, he is someone people can relate to,  CWebster   Oct-30-03 06:29 AM   #75 
  - I've said this to you once before, Will  Eloriel   Oct-30-03 10:57 AM   #77 
  - Pot Meet Kettle  cryingshame   Oct-30-03 12:14 PM   #78 
  - Abandon ship!  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-03 06:50 PM   #108 
  - I Can't Believe a DEAN Supporter Is Throwing Stones About Flip-Flopping  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 12:24 PM   #80 
  - Eloriel, do you live in a glass house?  knight_of_the_star   Oct-30-03 06:51 PM   #109 
  - Oh, no, no, no, no  Eloriel   Oct-30-03 11:46 PM   #128 
     - You Crack Me Up  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-31-03 01:24 AM   #132 
  - I certainly don't want to see this thread become a tit for tat on Dean...  wyldwolf   Oct-30-03 04:46 PM   #87 
  - El, you need to stay away  CWebster   Oct-30-03 07:29 PM   #118 
     - yeah! Especially when she condemns one of the boys for the same thing...  wyldwolf   Oct-30-03 08:16 PM   #120 
     - You need to read my previous post  Eloriel   Oct-30-03 11:53 PM   #129 
        - Speaking of intellectual dishonesty,  BillyBunter   Oct-31-03 01:50 AM   #133 
     - You choose to ignore that many Clark supporters are female  RandomUser   Oct-30-03 10:23 PM   #125 
  - It always seemed to me that...  wyldwolf   Oct-30-03 04:42 PM   #86 
  - I guess that some were expecting Clark to march  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-30-03 05:30 PM   #89 
  - Changed his position because of integrity -OR- Changed his position...  Junkdrawer   Oct-30-03 07:06 PM   #112 
  - The Same Questions Can Be Raised of Dean  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 07:09 PM   #114 
     - Which is why I tend to favor Kucinich...  Junkdrawer   Oct-30-03 07:13 PM   #115 
        - Agreed  DoveTurnedHawk   Oct-30-03 07:15 PM   #116 
  - Mad as hell...  andym   Oct-30-03 07:37 PM   #119 
  - "...naive...he begins to connect the dots..." You kid! The Genius General?  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-30-03 09:53 PM   #124 
     - Jihad vs McWorld  Donna Zen   Oct-30-03 10:44 PM   #126 
  - support of the Iraq war....huh?  Donna Zen   Oct-30-03 09:44 PM   #122 
  - I certainly agree with your last sentence in particular....  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-31-03 02:12 AM   #134 
     - Reading is such a gift and a tool!  Donna Zen   Oct-31-03 08:38 AM   #135 
        - Good stuff. Thanks for the excerpts, Donna and Frenchie.  JohnOneillsMemory   Oct-31-03 09:12 AM   #140 
  - Clark seems to 'steal' a lot of talking points from other candidates..  rman   Oct-31-03 08:50 AM   #136 
  - Like what?  wyldwolf   Oct-31-03 08:52 AM   #137 
  - ...  rman   Oct-31-03 08:58 AM   #138 
     - Did someone patent those?  wyldwolf   Oct-31-03 09:12 AM   #139 
        - that's not the point  rman   Oct-31-03 09:19 AM   #141 
           - Here is what I think you need to to validate your point...  wyldwolf   Oct-31-03 09:23 AM   #142 
  - Clark actually has been on ignore by cable spin docs  Frenchie4Clark   Oct-31-03 10:15 AM   #146 
  - I agree  Zuni   Oct-31-03 09:27 AM   #143 
  - You are not correct, he didn't change his mind on Iraq  xultar   Oct-31-03 09:32 AM   #144 
 

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