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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 07:03 AM
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23. Keep in mind Q no one said a Catholic could be president either
but they were wrong :D way wrong. I like Sharpton and Mosley-Braun although they arent my personal favorite black politicans, like for me that would be John Lewis, John Conyers, Charley Rangel, Barbara Lee. Now let me get you a quote should help you out.

"Some men see things as they are and say, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and say, 'Why not?'"
Robert F. Kennedy, after George Bernard Shaw
I agree with that and thats why I am a progressive, I wanna know why not. We will have that day soon I think, its sad that this America this beacon of Freedom to so many has had so little diversity in the oval office, one Catholic and the farthest east our guys get in their ancestry is Germany, So like my candiate Kucinich who is from the same region on one side as I am is kinda like how Jack Kennedy was to the Irish Catholics 43 years ago, its not why I support him but damnit it feels good to share that but the issues, and the man's hopes are why, but do I like that hes descended from the Balkans, yes. Its sad really Q.
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  -If Bush* can become President, why not Braun or Sharpton? Q  Oct-27-03 05:40 AM   #0 
  - They lack some things Bush* has.  HawkerHurricane   Oct-27-03 05:44 AM   #1 
  - We want to act like anyone can grow up to  leetrisck   Oct-27-03 05:46 AM   #2 
  - Media Support and 200 Million Dollars for Reelection  mhr   Oct-27-03 05:46 AM   #3 
  - Simple - They're black.  rjbcar27   Oct-27-03 05:53 AM   #4 
  - Why wouldn't DEMOCRATS vote...  Q   Oct-27-03 05:58 AM   #5 
  - Opposition to Sharpton has nothing to do with racism  birdman   Oct-27-03 06:03 AM   #7 
  - Well...the RWingers would agree with you...  Q   Oct-27-03 06:07 AM   #9 
  - Braun couldn't even hold her Senate seat  birdman   Oct-27-03 06:13 AM   #11 
  - Your version of the 'facts' are wrong.  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 06:48 AM   #21 
     - The last time you brought up Braun's baggage  gottaB   Oct-27-03 08:51 AM   #64 
        - The Medicaid fraud was and *is* a big issue.  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 09:56 AM   #82 
           - I've seen the obvious smears already  gottaB   Oct-27-03 10:24 AM   #84 
  - Not to mention Crown Heights.  maha   Oct-27-03 09:24 AM   #67 
  - I just don't feel that it's time yet.  rjbcar27   Oct-27-03 06:03 AM   #8 
     - When WILL it 'be time'? 200 years from now?  Q   Oct-27-03 06:13 AM   #12 
        - Are you saying we must like a candidate BECAUSE he or she is black?  maha   Oct-27-03 09:36 AM   #70 
  - In 1988  charlie   Oct-27-03 06:15 AM   #14 
  - Exactly...strong Black leadership scares...  Q   Oct-27-03 06:25 AM   #16 
  - Sharpton is too divisive a figure.  Flaming Meaux   Oct-27-03 07:47 AM   #41 
  - Agree n/t  maha   Oct-27-03 09:37 AM   #71 
  - more or less...but don't let the party off the hook  Terwilliger   Oct-27-03 09:41 AM   #74 
  - You already gave all my answers, but here we go again.  Racenut20   Oct-27-03 06:02 AM   #6 
  - Trick question! Bush* is a republican, ergo he can be president  0rganism   Oct-27-03 06:09 AM   #10 
  - Dems had the same type of 'Brawley' issues to use against Bush*...  Q   Oct-27-03 06:18 AM   #15 
     - To an extent, yes, but ...  maha   Oct-27-03 09:40 AM   #73 
  - If Bush can pResident, why not me?  JNelson6563   Oct-27-03 06:15 AM   #13 
  - A Sharpton quote from a fellow DUer...  Q   Oct-27-03 06:33 AM   #17 
  - I don't oppose Sharpton for his color or his activism.  maha   Oct-27-03 11:09 AM   #89 
  - What about Braun?  Q   Oct-27-03 06:38 AM   #18 
  - because you know what we do to our prophets.  CWebster   Oct-27-03 06:43 AM   #19 
  - If Bush can be President, why not Michael Jackson?  sgr2   Oct-27-03 06:44 AM   #20 
  - Straw man argument: Michael Jackson isn't running for president...  Q   Oct-27-03 06:57 AM   #22 
  - Keep in mind Q no one said a Catholic could be president either  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 07:03 AM   #23 
     - I'm bringing up Braun and Sharpton...  Q   Oct-27-03 07:11 AM   #26 
        - "...Why is that?...."  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 07:13 AM   #28 
        - Dude you know as an Irish Catholic you cant let that get to you  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 07:20 AM   #34 
           - It's *very* sad, indeed! n/t  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 07:49 AM   #42 
              - Yes it is  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 07:53 AM   #44 
        - Youre so right  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 07:14 AM   #30 
           - Given the many arguments against a Black President...  Q   Oct-27-03 07:17 AM   #32 
              - of course  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 07:20 AM   #36 
  - About those "Campaign violations"  gottaB   Oct-27-03 09:08 AM   #66 
  - There Were Polls In 95 Showing Colin Powell Beating Clinton.....  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-27-03 07:04 AM   #24 
  - Manifest Destiny...  LeahMira   Oct-27-03 07:09 AM   #25 
  - But yet they would 'look' at a Black's 'arrest record'...  Q   Oct-27-03 07:14 AM   #29 
  - Powell could have won  incapsulated   Oct-27-03 07:13 AM   #27 
  - I Think Colin Powell Is Conflicted  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-27-03 07:20 AM   #35 
     - Remember the Republican Convention?  incapsulated   Oct-27-03 07:28 AM   #37 
        - He Said He Was A Rockefeller Republican...  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-27-03 07:36 AM   #39 
           - Powell was unique, though  incapsulated   Oct-27-03 08:17 AM   #52 
  - Because they scare HELL out of the center voters.  Silverhair   Oct-27-03 07:16 AM   #31 
  - But elections COULD BE decided by inspiring those who don't vote...  Q   Oct-27-03 07:19 AM   #33 
  - I Think You Are Ignoring Newton's Third Law Of Motion...  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-27-03 07:28 AM   #38 
  - Hmm....that sounds familiar...  Q   Oct-27-03 07:37 AM   #40 
  - ummm  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 07:51 AM   #43 
  - Haha...  Q   Oct-27-03 07:58 AM   #45 
     - Hmmm..  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 08:19 AM   #53 
        - The E-m-p-e-r-i-c-a-l Reserarch Is On Your Side  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-27-03 10:57 AM   #88 
           - e-m-p-i-r-i-c-a-l  Iverson   Oct-27-03 11:12 AM   #91 
  - Which is why it doesn't pay to dismiss Sharpton or CMB  Flaming Meaux   Oct-27-03 07:58 AM   #46 
  - Plus...there's the added benefit...  Q   Oct-27-03 08:02 AM   #47 
  - That also cuts both ways  Silverhair   Oct-27-03 08:05 AM   #48 
  - The 'swing' voter is a myth...  Q   Oct-27-03 08:09 AM   #49 
     - A 'myth'  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 08:20 AM   #55 
  - McGovern's base was highly energized.  Silverhair   Oct-27-03 08:11 AM   #50 
  - On McGovern  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 08:20 AM   #54 
     - Absolutely  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 08:23 AM   #57 
     - Yes and Bush is no centrist  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 08:25 AM   #58 
        - True, but...  Silverhair   Oct-27-03 08:35 AM   #60 
           - I dont support Sharpton  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 09:26 AM   #68 
     - I was there, I remember.  Silverhair   Oct-27-03 08:31 AM   #59 
        - Yes  Padraig18   Oct-27-03 08:43 AM   #62 
           - Complete agreement.  Silverhair   Oct-27-03 08:49 AM   #63 
  - The non-voters are a dry well  birdman   Oct-27-03 08:11 AM   #51 
     - Bingo-Check The Link On Post 88  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-27-03 11:12 AM   #90 
  - See? I've told people this is the base of it...simple racism  Terwilliger   Oct-27-03 09:46 AM   #78 
  - Because there aren't enough Democrats and third partiers to win  jobycom   Oct-27-03 08:21 AM   #56 
  - it's about turnout  liberalcapitalist   Oct-27-03 08:36 AM   #61 
  - IOW...racism  Terwilliger   Oct-27-03 09:48 AM   #80 
  - Bush had money and people  Hep   Oct-27-03 08:52 AM   #65 
  - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  leftofthedial   Oct-27-03 09:28 AM   #69 
  - That sadly is why very few who appeal to me truly wont win  JohnKleeb   Oct-27-03 09:39 AM   #72 
     - democracy is dead as a doornail  leftofthedial   Oct-27-03 09:46 AM   #79 
  - disagree this time, Q  Iverson   Oct-27-03 09:42 AM   #75 
  - I'm arguing that millions of Americans voted for Bush*...  Q   Oct-27-03 10:30 AM   #86 
     - yes and no  Iverson   Oct-27-03 10:36 AM   #87 
  - Because both have serious ethical issues and Dems should be better than...  DealsGapRider   Oct-27-03 09:42 AM   #76 
  - They don't exactly "shine" in the fundrasing arena.  ArkDem   Oct-27-03 09:43 AM   #77 
  - which is where the Democrats are today  Terwilliger   Oct-27-03 09:55 AM   #81 
  - I asked the same thing about Kucinich recently  spindoctor   Oct-27-03 09:57 AM   #83 
  - W would never be nominated by dems (ideology aside)  robbedvoter   Oct-27-03 10:25 AM   #85 

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