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Kerry, Gephardt must stop their "Dean bashing"
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I'm not a "Deanper", or whatever, but I am a registered Democrat and I'm just a little tired of the tone that both Senator John Kerry's and Dick Gephardt's campaigns have taken lately. Right now, if everything falls its way, the Democratic Party could run a blind mule and beat Bush. Yet the growing nastiness and devisiveness in the rhetoric coming from Kerry and Gephardt aimed at Dean can only strenghten the Republican incumbant at the Democratic Party's expense.

Let me pass along a couple of items from The Des Moines Register.

First a letter from the October 22 edition:
Two well-seasoned Washington, D.C., insiders, John Kerry and Richard Gephardt, with their recent sharp attacks against the "new boy on the Democratic block" Howard Dean, are hoping beyond hope their "two-against-one" offensive against Dean just might do better than their individual attempts to put him down.

Dean is not the enemy, George Bush is. Stop trying to fragment the Democratic Party. Attack your enemy, not your brothers.

Robert B. Sanderson

Second an editorial column by Ira Lacherin today's edition:
With notable exceptions such as the late Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota, most Democratic office-seekers haven't energized young people by campaigning on issues they care about, such as the environment or college costs
But given the choice between a headmaster on the far right and a headmaster on the near right, younger voters are likely to stay home in 2004, or cast ballots for a third-party progressive (Dennis Kucinich?), the way they voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. "If Democrats can't speak the language and address the aspirations of the young," Goldberg wrote in the American Prospect, "they can forget about retaking the White House."

The Democratic Party has an historic opportunity, I beleive, to not only retake the White House but the Congress. But the distorted image of a Party at war with itself, that reactionary pundits love painting of the Democrats, can only be reinforced by the current discord amongst Kerry, Dean and Gephardt. I've read issue statements from all three candidates and find only incremental differences and shifts of emphasis between them. All three are formidable candidates and any one of them should defeat Bush in 2004. Any serious and lasting rancor caused by the current divisions between the Party's top three presidental candidates only palys into the hands of the Bush/Rove Cartel. The nation, and the world, can ill afford four more years of misrule by the junta now in control of the White House and the U.S. Congress.

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  -Kerry, Gephardt must stop their "Dean bashing" BJ  Oct-23-03 08:44 AM   #0 
  - Dean's been calling the DEMs "Bush-Lite" for months.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 08:46 AM   #1 
  - Please elucidate?  BJ   Oct-23-03 09:40 AM   #7 
  - So, Dean's support of the IWR w/Biden-Lugar amendment makes  blm   Oct-23-03 10:17 AM   #15 
  - SPECIFICS!  Hep   Oct-23-03 10:43 AM   #18 
  - Listen, bub, if you don't know about Biden-Lugar by now  blm   Oct-23-03 11:36 AM   #30 
     - The usual response  Hep   Oct-23-03 11:42 AM   #32 
        - Yeah...we have been for MONTHS...nice of you to notice  blm   Oct-23-03 11:46 AM   #35 
           - Yelled at for not being on this board 24/7  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:07 PM   #37 
              - Not yelling, but, just don't snipe at others  blm   Oct-23-03 12:15 PM   #40 
                 - BS  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:17 PM   #41 
                 - How can you accuse someone of lying when it was just a case  blm   Oct-23-03 12:27 PM   #47 
                    - Show me!  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:36 PM   #51 
                 - Same old Lies... same desperate crap.  TLM   Oct-23-03 12:30 PM   #48 
                    - Please find ONE cite where I say they are the exact same.  blm   Oct-23-03 12:37 PM   #52 
                       - Not much different  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:39 PM   #54 
                          - Exactly... i put BLM back on ignore... can't take her lies.  TLM   Oct-23-03 12:48 PM   #57 
                          - HAHAH...please have a talk with  blm   Oct-23-03 12:53 PM   #59 
                          - Both would put us in Iraq.  blm   Oct-23-03 12:50 PM   #58 
                             - So  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:58 PM   #60 
                                - Yeah that's how desperate Kerry supporters are ...  TLM   Oct-23-03 01:16 PM   #66 
  - Think it's called hypocrisy...  janekat   Oct-23-03 01:48 PM   #83 
     - how?  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:54 PM   # 
  - Sen. Kerry's a FIGHTING Democrat.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 10:39 AM   #17 
     - So funny!  Hep   Oct-23-03 10:47 AM   #20 
     - Executive experience? Kerry was a CO in COMBAT!  Octafish   Oct-23-03 12:59 PM   #61 
        - Being a CO in the army  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:03 PM   #63 
        - I love how they harp on the 3 purple hearts...  TLM   Oct-23-03 01:26 PM   #71 
        - TWO tours of duty in Vietnam.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 01:42 PM   #80 
           - Two tours is TWO YEARS in country.  TLM   Oct-23-03 01:58 PM   #86 
        - No. Being a CO in the Navy is better than pushing papers.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 01:30 PM   #72 
        - this gets better and better  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:35 PM   #75 
        - You're the one who finds military service "funny."  Octafish   Oct-23-03 01:57 PM   #85 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-23-03 02:07 PM   #91 
           - Show me  Hep   Oct-23-03 03:09 PM   #101 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-23-03 01:47 PM   #82 
           - Dean said he would've gone if asked...30 years later.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 01:54 PM   #84 
              - Dean was asked... he went to his draft induction physical...  TLM   Oct-23-03 02:02 PM   #88 
              - he wasn't asked  Hep   Oct-23-03 02:04 PM   #89 
                 - He was asked, but was rejected...  TLM   Oct-23-03 02:06 PM   #90 
                    - Semantics  Hep   Oct-23-03 02:08 PM   #92 
        - Governer of Vermont?  SahaleArm   Oct-23-03 05:41 PM   #120 
           - And I'm not trying  Hep   Oct-23-03 05:58 PM   #121 
              - The presidency is more about leadership...  SahaleArm   Oct-23-03 06:16 PM   #125 
                 - Leadership?  Hep   Oct-23-03 06:20 PM   #127 
                    - Because...  SahaleArm   Oct-23-03 06:37 PM   #131 
                       - OK  Hep   Oct-23-03 06:43 PM   #133 
                          - Compelling reason.  SahaleArm   Oct-23-03 06:56 PM   #135 
                             - Can't say you're wrong  Hep   Oct-23-03 07:10 PM   #136 
        - CO?  Eloriel   Oct-23-03 02:41 PM   #100 
           - Commanding Officer. Commanded Swift Boat 94.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 03:59 PM   #103 
     - Kerry has, for the last three years...  TLM   Oct-23-03 12:14 PM   #39 
        - Sen. Kerry voted to defend the national security of the United States.  Octafish   Oct-23-03 01:20 PM   #67 
           - And then  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:23 PM   #69 
           - WHat Kerry said changed.... he also said...  TLM   Oct-23-03 01:38 PM   #79 
  - That's easy  Hep   Oct-23-03 09:43 AM   #8 
  - Dean shouldn't get special treatment  Cocoa   Oct-23-03 08:51 AM   #2 
  - Since Dean started the bashing of other candidates  Skwmom   Oct-23-03 08:52 AM   #3 
  - Whaaaa Dean started it.... so that changes Gep and Kerry cheap shots how?  TLM   Oct-23-03 12:19 PM   #43 
  - Stop? They never started.  NewYorkerfromMass   Oct-23-03 08:53 AM   #4 
  - They did start  9119495   Oct-23-03 09:19 AM   #5 
  - LIES! Damn Lies! Sadly, no statistics.  Hep   Oct-23-03 09:46 AM   #10 
     - is still around because it's true  NewYorkerfromMass   Oct-23-03 10:15 AM   #14 
        - LOL!  Hep   Oct-23-03 10:49 AM   #21 
  - Let them come  JNelson6563   Oct-23-03 09:39 AM   #6 
  - Dean should stop his  Loonman   Oct-23-03 09:44 AM   #9 
  - Dean should "stop" what?  Ripley   Oct-23-03 10:18 AM   #16 
  - "Cockroaches" ... "Bushlite"...pushpolling... attack ads....  blm   Oct-23-03 10:10 AM   #11 
  - Stop your whining  Hep   Oct-23-03 10:13 AM   #12 
  - HAHAHAHAHAHA....the whining is coming from the Deanut Gallery.  blm   Oct-23-03 10:15 AM   #13 
     - It's ABD all the way for blm.  stickdog   Oct-23-03 10:47 AM   #19 
     - It's incredible!  Hep   Oct-23-03 10:51 AM   #23 
     - That's false. I declared ABB from the beginning.  blm   Oct-23-03 10:56 AM   #24 
        - blm repent from ABB. It is simply not possible for 'anyone' to BB  NewYorkerfromMass   Oct-23-03 11:04 AM   #25 
        - It's not about that  Hep   Oct-23-03 11:05 AM   #26 
           - The facts are there and you can't refute them  blm   Oct-23-03 11:31 AM   #28 
              - Show me!  Hep   Oct-23-03 11:35 AM   #29 
                 - If you haven't seen these articles by now, then you are in no position  blm   Oct-23-03 11:44 AM   #34 
                    - and there it is again!  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:06 PM   #36 
                       - And I should add  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:13 PM   #38 
                       - The cuts for the working class were DEMOCRATIC cuts  blm   Oct-23-03 12:18 PM   #42 
                          - ugh  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:22 PM   #45 
                             - They didn't vote for the final 350 bil.  blm   Oct-23-03 12:31 PM   #49 
                                - You aren't even talking about the same thing, or your facts are WAY off.  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:38 PM   #53 
                                   - You lost me. You referred to the 350 bil. figure from  blm   Oct-23-03 12:59 PM   #62 
                                      - Are you lying or do you just not know the facts?  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:06 PM   #64 
                                         - Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about now.  blm   Oct-23-03 01:25 PM   #70 
                       - In fact, HEP, it is again BLM who is lying... not Dean.  TLM   Oct-23-03 01:11 PM   #65 
                          - wait a sec  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:22 PM   #68 
                          - Yeah here is the infor on the vote...  TLM   Oct-23-03 01:35 PM   #76 
                             - It's takes us back to the Kerry mantra:  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:38 PM   #78 
                             - To REDUCE it. Voting to LOWER the final bill  blm   Oct-23-03 04:02 PM   #104 
                                - You don't have it right  Hep   Oct-23-03 04:23 PM   #105 
                                   - Then how did that 350 bil. taxcut come about?  blm   Oct-23-03 05:18 PM   #111 
                                      - You tell me.  Hep   Oct-23-03 05:23 PM   #112 
                                         - You need to understand that you can't cherrypick  blm   Oct-23-03 05:33 PM   #116 
                                            - You need to put up  Hep   Oct-23-03 05:35 PM   #118 
                                            - Smoke and mirrors.  blm   Oct-23-03 06:07 PM   #122 
                                            - subject line  Hep   Oct-23-03 06:12 PM   #123 
                                            - LIE: "they supported Bush's taxcuts for the wealthiest"  blm   Oct-23-03 06:20 PM   #128 
                                            - See it how you want  Hep   Oct-23-03 06:35 PM   #130 
                          - You are so overthetop and hyperbolic. Please simmer down.  blm   Oct-23-03 01:31 PM   #74 
                             - Not true  Hep   Oct-23-03 01:36 PM   #77 
                             - We've already been over this... why do you still lie?  TLM   Oct-23-03 02:17 PM   #95 
                                - TLM, stop talking to me like that! I am not lying  blm   Oct-23-03 02:26 PM   #97 
                                   - BLM you are lying, and this is hardly the only lie...  TLM   Oct-23-03 02:39 PM   #98 
                                   - TLM, you are just acting incorrigible  blm   Oct-23-03 03:57 PM   #102 
                                      - The point  Hep   Oct-23-03 04:25 PM   #106 
                                         - The Dems fought to REDUCE a certain tax cut.  blm   Oct-23-03 05:27 PM   #113 
                                            - IT's a debate  Hep   Oct-23-03 05:32 PM   #115 
                                            - You don't WANT to get it. You want to play games.  blm   Oct-23-03 05:34 PM   #117 
                                            - Back it up for Pete's sake.  Hep   Oct-23-03 05:37 PM   #119 
                                            - He SAID they "supported Bush's taxcut for the wealthiest"  blm   Oct-23-03 06:13 PM   #124 
                                            - back to the mantra  Hep   Oct-23-03 06:33 PM   #129 
                                   - spin  Hep   Oct-23-03 02:40 PM   #99 
     - Like I thought  Hep   Oct-23-03 10:50 AM   #22 
     - Notice there is no answer... just insults.  TLM   Oct-23-03 12:41 PM   #55 
  - More lies... as expected.  TLM   Oct-23-03 12:36 PM   #50 
     - AFTER Dean attacked Kerry first and while he was in recovery.  blm   Oct-23-03 02:08 PM   #93 
        - amazing  Hep   Oct-23-03 02:12 PM   #94 
           - You have to love the hypocritical position that you can't attack Kerry...  TLM   Oct-23-03 02:23 PM   #96 
           - He called him Bushlite, said he supported Bush's taxcuts  blm   Oct-23-03 06:17 PM   #126 
              - Well  Hep   Oct-23-03 06:38 PM   #132 
                 - Doctors KNOW that stress in recovery is harmful.  blm   Oct-23-03 06:49 PM   #134 
  - I disagree  Hammie   Oct-23-03 11:13 AM   #27 
  - What?  DocSavage   Oct-23-03 11:39 AM   #31 
  - You're right  Hep   Oct-23-03 11:43 AM   #33 
  - Uhm, it's called a PRIMARY. Look it up.  RetroLounge   Oct-23-03 12:21 PM   #44 
  - In New Ads, Dean Becomes 1st to Attack Fellow Democrats  sangh0   Oct-23-03 12:27 PM   #46 
  - What a joke! What an inflammatory, unfunny JOKE!  Hep   Oct-23-03 12:41 PM   #56 
  - I dunno, I thought Kerry's egg farm attack was good for a chuckle  killbotfactory   Oct-23-03 01:31 PM   #73 
  - Co. was biggest user of pesticides in Vt - hundreds of cows got sick  janekat   Oct-23-03 01:45 PM   #81 
     - I thought Kerry was talking about this  killbotfactory   Oct-23-03 02:02 PM   #87 
  - When will the boiler room operatives on this board stop...  mitchum   Oct-23-03 04:36 PM   #107 
  - I don't know what a boiler room operative is.  Hep   Oct-23-03 04:39 PM   #108 
     - Ah, but if you were like me and have three acquaintances who have...  mitchum   Oct-23-03 04:55 PM   #109 
        - OK  Hep   Oct-23-03 05:11 PM   #110 
  - Kerry and Gephardt need Deaning bashing + something else.  poskonig   Oct-23-03 05:31 PM   #114 

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