| -Should men have any say in abortion at all? |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 01:53 PM |
#0 |
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Generally, no. |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 01:57 PM |
#1 |
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Excuse me but even if it were your child and she |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 01:59 PM |
#4 |
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Would I make her? No. Not at all. |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 02:14 PM |
#21 |
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Your opinion is meaningless |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:12 PM |
#68 |
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To whom? |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 03:42 PM |
#88 |
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Women get to choose whether a man pays |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 03:56 PM |
#91 |
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Yeah, but as a man I know the risks going in. |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 04:01 PM |
#92 |
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But why wouldn't that same logic apply to women then? |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 04:19 PM |
#96 |
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In a perfect world there would be no rapists |
Nobody |
Oct-23-03 05:55 AM |
#281 |
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If abortion is legal |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 04:21 PM |
#97 |
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Because he bears 50% responsibility for the creation of a life. |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 08:00 PM |
#224 |
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Not under current laws he doesn't. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-22-03 08:21 PM |
#232 |
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No, no...maybe I phrased that badly. |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 08:38 PM |
#236 |
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Because even after birth the woman has a choice: |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:15 AM |
#306 |
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i can agree with you if you apply this to both sexes |
bearfartinthewoods |
Oct-23-03 01:08 PM |
#334 |
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The rights of the child (once born) and the rights of the woman carrying |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 05:59 PM |
#144 |
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Nevertheless |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:28 PM |
#201 |
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Who ever said justice is fair? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:33 PM |
#205 |
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So you admit this is unjust and unfair? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:41 PM |
#210 |
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No it is just and you perceive it to be unfair |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:46 PM |
#213 |
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You said, "Who ever said justice is fair?" |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:53 PM |
#219 |
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It is clear you can;t distinguish between a child's rights and a woman's |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:59 PM |
#223 |
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False distinction |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 10:01 PM |
#248 |
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YOur analogy is false since the man had total control over his sperm |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 11:32 PM |
#259 |
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Castrate deadbeat dads all you wish |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:36 AM |
#285 |
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Actually, logic is YOUR enemy in this, and so is .... |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 06:45 AM |
#288 |
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Laws can be changed |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:55 AM |
#291 |
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LOL! Okay, you go change the law then. |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 07:08 AM |
#293 |
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.... |
chefgirl |
Oct-23-03 09:13 AM |
#305 |
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Huh? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:28 AM |
#310 |
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First of all........ |
chefgirl |
Oct-23-03 10:09 AM |
#318 |
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All pregnancies can be ended |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 10:46 AM |
#323 |
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Since you asked.... |
chefgirl |
Oct-23-03 11:09 AM |
#325 |
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Mixed answer |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 12:18 PM |
#331 |
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Does the mother have to pay child support when she adopts the baby out? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:32 AM |
#311 |
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OK let me explain this ONE MORE TIME! FOr those that value repetition |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 12:04 PM |
#329 |
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Your distinction is false, or did you forget about adoption? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:22 AM |
#308 |
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Take it up with God then |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 12:06 PM |
#330 |
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Why would I want to take anything up with a mythical deity? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 07:04 PM |
#351 |
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No I am NOT dodging the issue and am NOT a sexist..a SEXIST would |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 07:18 PM |
#355 |
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here's an idea |
Cheswick |
Oct-23-03 07:18 PM |
#354 |
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I'd consider adoption |
kgfnally |
Oct-22-03 02:37 PM |
#50 |
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RIGHT ON!!!!!!! |
HypnoToad |
Oct-22-03 07:04 PM |
#185 |
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Well, |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 01:58 PM |
#2 |
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Sure he could because the child is no longer in her womb. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:02 PM |
#8 |
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But what |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:05 PM |
#12 |
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You miss the point. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:11 PM |
#17 |
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Decisions |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 02:25 PM |
#34 |
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Many men desert their child and never take any part in |
Jen72 |
Oct-22-03 05:51 PM |
#140 |
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No. Not until they can either |
junker |
Oct-22-03 01:59 PM |
#3 |
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Does that apply to child support? |
Devil Dog Dem |
Oct-22-03 01:59 PM |
#5 |
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My personal experience has been that |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:09 PM |
#15 |
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Sorry but your answer isn't clear |
Devil Dog Dem |
Oct-22-03 02:18 PM |
#26 |
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This post was about reproductive rights not child support. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:27 PM |
#38 |
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You asked if they should have a choice. |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 02:53 PM |
#63 |
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Where is it written... |
LeahMira |
Oct-22-03 05:33 PM |
#125 |
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Oh. THAT's fair. |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 06:21 PM |
#164 |
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Another male that confuses an actually born child's rights with the rights |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:03 PM |
#150 |
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No they are not. |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 06:25 PM |
#167 |
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NO the male's obligation is not to an egg but to a child once it is born |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:36 PM |
#170 |
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So whether the man has any responsibility or not... |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 06:40 PM |
#173 |
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Sorry but your question makes no sense and child support is a matter |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:48 PM |
#178 |
| -
Oh boy. |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 07:05 PM |
#186 |
| -
I think you have it exactly backwards |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:19 PM |
#192 |
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I'd like to see a man's right to choose |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:16 PM |
#71 |
| -
I completely agree with you , Yupster |
mitchum |
Oct-22-03 04:28 PM |
#100 |
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These aren't parallel decisions, though. |
spooky3 |
Oct-22-03 06:29 PM |
#169 |
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Because the rights of a CHILD and a woman carrying a fetus are not one |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:01 PM |
#147 |
| -
Maybe because..... |
Jen72 |
Oct-22-03 06:04 PM |
#152 |
| -
Those are all her choices |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:35 PM |
#206 |
| -
If the issue is men want a choice then why the conversation about burden? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:41 PM |
#209 |
| -
Encumbrance? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:44 PM |
#211 |
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Guess what Muddle? If you are together for say 7 to 10 years in most |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:51 PM |
#218 |
| -
Facts of law vs. facts of biology |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:55 PM |
#221 |
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Oh I see..so instead a man should get to impose a physical risk on a woman |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 08:02 PM |
#225 |
| -
Actually quite the opposite |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:38 AM |
#286 |
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The law is not on your side. |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 06:51 AM |
#290 |
| -
And so the law will be changed |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:57 AM |
#292 |
| -
It is the CHILD who then has the rights once born, not the woman |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 08:59 AM |
#303 |
| -
Laws change |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 09:41 AM |
#313 |
| -
Really? Like the one that contributed 100,000 to Reagan while avoiding |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 01:39 PM |
#336 |
| -
The payment of support to the child is not unfair nor one-sided |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 05:30 PM |
#338 |
| -
Lol I think you are actually directing that communication to the poster |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 05:48 PM |
#341 |
| -
That's OK, the compliments cut both ways |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:05 PM |
#347 |
| -
No you are being BABIES about this and it shows |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 07:41 PM |
#358 |
| -
Worse than babies. |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 08:41 PM |
#359 |
| -
You repeated neglect the obligation women put on men here |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 09:05 PM |
#360 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-23-03 09:43 PM |
#361 |
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What she said |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 10:36 PM |
#364 |
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women don't put it on men -- men put it on themselves. |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 10:18 PM |
#363 |
| -
Yes and you repeatedly neglect the obligation men put on women |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 11:59 PM |
#368 |
| -
No. |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-23-03 08:47 AM |
#300 |
| -
They do get to choose and your responses all operate under the pretense |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 01:35 PM |
#335 |
| -
If I was told I'd caused a pregnancy and she was going to abort it |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-22-03 02:01 PM |
#6 |
| -
?? |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:03 PM |
#9 |
| -
That is a good part |
MuseRider |
Oct-22-03 02:05 PM |
#10 |
| -
So remember those little rubber thingies? |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:14 PM |
#20 |
| -
The woman that terminates the pregnancy will most |
Jen72 |
Oct-22-03 06:12 PM |
#159 |
| -
I would have to say |
MuseRider |
Oct-22-03 02:02 PM |
#7 |
| -
Ok, but.. |
lysergik |
Oct-22-03 02:05 PM |
#11 |
| -
So, how do you really want it? |
Love Bug |
Oct-22-03 02:19 PM |
#27 |
| -
It's pretty much a cottage industry |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:19 PM |
#73 |
| -
Until they grow a uterus of their very own... |
PHDiva |
Oct-22-03 02:06 PM |
#13 |
| -
Sure - they always have and always will |
goddess40 |
Oct-22-03 02:07 PM |
#14 |
| -
I totally disagree. |
mainegreen |
Oct-22-03 02:21 PM |
#31 |
| -
One ride in a car can't make a life long obligation |
goddess40 |
Oct-22-03 02:26 PM |
#36 |
| -
Not in any legislative sense |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-22-03 02:10 PM |
#16 |
| -
I like that wording |
ComerPerro |
Oct-22-03 02:30 PM |
#40 |
| -
I'm torn... |
redqueen |
Oct-22-03 02:14 PM |
#18 |
| -
But why doesn't that same logic apply to women then? |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:26 PM |
#78 |
| -
Yes, but given that she has that decision... |
redqueen |
Oct-22-03 03:38 PM |
#85 |
| -
You lost me completely? |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 04:22 PM |
#98 |
| -
My husband and I have debated this more than a few times. |
Rainbowreflect |
Oct-22-03 02:14 PM |
#19 |
| -
If the woman has 100 % of the say, then |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:29 PM |
#79 |
| -
I think the man |
cally |
Oct-22-03 02:15 PM |
#22 |
| -
As long it takes two to conceive a child. |
Fescue4u |
Oct-22-03 02:15 PM |
#23 |
| -
I think the man involved in the relationship has a say |
demnan |
Oct-22-03 02:17 PM |
#24 |
| -
Men who don't want babies |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 02:18 PM |
#25 |
| -
I can't argue with any of that. Well stated. (n/t) |
GOPisEvil |
Oct-22-03 02:21 PM |
#30 |
| -
But if a woman has irresponsible sex |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:22 PM |
#32 |
| -
Nobody just "gets an abortion" |
ComerPerro |
Oct-22-03 02:34 PM |
#44 |
| -
That's not what I suggested here. |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:38 PM |
#51 |
| -
No it isn't. |
liberal_veteran |
Oct-22-03 02:35 PM |
#45 |
| -
That's not even |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:40 PM |
#53 |
| -
Of course men have feelings for their children.... |
liberal_veteran |
Oct-22-03 02:47 PM |
#58 |
| -
the baby is NOT part of the man |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 03:14 PM |
#70 |
| -
if you talking about raw material. |
Fescue4u |
Oct-22-03 11:04 PM |
#251 |
| -
Ah, aristotelian logic |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 11:27 PM |
#255 |
| -
Spoken like someone |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 04:52 PM |
#107 |
| -
Brava, Nicole |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 05:20 PM |
#116 |
| -
We could ask him but |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 05:26 PM |
#122 |
| -
What about women? |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:30 PM |
#81 |
| -
Yes, it is a one-sided restriction, because. . . . |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 04:55 PM |
#108 |
| -
It seems if women are the only ones to get pregnant, then |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 05:11 PM |
#113 |
| -
You missed the point. |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 05:36 PM |
#131 |
| -
I was just joking about the sex is rape remark |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 05:59 PM |
#143 |
| -
In the real world, it's not a joke |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 06:48 PM |
#179 |
| -
I really had no idea that there are so many |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 11:38 PM |
#262 |
| -
"highly paid husbands and stay-at-home wives" |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 05:48 PM |
#340 |
| -
Boy for non-judgemental people, you guys sure have me figured out |
Yupster |
Oct-23-03 11:23 PM |
#365 |
| -
No because one concerns the woman's rights and one concerns the child's |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:04 PM |
#153 |
| -
Confused |
Nederland |
Oct-22-03 05:23 PM |
#120 |
| -
See post #108 |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 06:21 PM |
#163 |
| -
Dangerous Path |
Nederland |
Oct-23-03 10:29 AM |
#320 |
| -
Not at all |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 05:52 PM |
#342 |
| -
Two seperate issues |
Nederland |
Oct-24-03 11:08 AM |
#387 |
| -
If the woman is raising the child with time money and energy |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-24-03 11:24 AM |
#388 |
| -
Well said. |
hiphopnation23 |
Oct-23-03 08:55 AM |
#302 |
| -
In |
CWebster |
Oct-22-03 02:20 PM |
#28 |
| -
He can say whatever he wants to say |
Alenne |
Oct-22-03 02:21 PM |
#29 |
| -
Does this exclusive decision-making cut both ways? |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-22-03 02:26 PM |
#35 |
| -
Those are decisions other people can make for themselves |
Alenne |
Oct-22-03 02:37 PM |
#49 |
| -
Subjective, personal decision....that's cool |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-22-03 02:47 PM |
#59 |
| -
That works once |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:41 PM |
#207 |
| -
My husband understands |
Alenne |
Oct-22-03 07:47 PM |
#214 |
| -
That's true |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 07:56 PM |
#222 |
| -
No one makes a decision about my body but me |
Alenne |
Oct-22-03 08:11 PM |
#229 |
| -
Not just a decision for your body |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-22-03 10:05 PM |
#250 |
| -
A deal killer for your marriage |
Alenne |
Oct-23-03 01:20 AM |
#272 |
| -
There you are wrong |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:40 AM |
#287 |
| -
My marriage is not in trouble |
Alenne |
Oct-23-03 01:04 PM |
#333 |
| -
This is about alot more |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:27 PM |
#37 |
| -
The affects of a pregnancy |
Alenne |
Oct-22-03 02:39 PM |
#52 |
| -
Are the sexes equal? No...they aren't. |
liberal_veteran |
Oct-22-03 03:00 PM |
#64 |
| -
The sexes are equal, but they are not identical |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 08:57 PM |
#241 |
| -
Veto |
ThomWV |
Oct-22-03 02:24 PM |
#33 |
| -
I was really talking about legislation. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:31 PM |
#42 |
| -
Thanks for the clarification |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-22-03 02:42 PM |
#54 |
| -
I sincerely doubt |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 03:29 PM |
#80 |
| -
Unfounded assumption . . . |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-22-03 05:17 PM |
#115 |
| -
Yes, but we don't have a 50/50 gender split in Congress, |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 05:20 PM |
#117 |
| -
Believe me . . . |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-22-03 05:48 PM |
#136 |
| -
I think the women in your orbit are in the minority. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 06:45 PM |
#176 |
| -
Really, you have an opinion poll showing . . . |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-22-03 07:41 PM |
#208 |
| -
Look at some of the polls on the other threads in this forum. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 07:47 PM |
#215 |
| -
I have seen polls on the Internet that show . . . |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-22-03 08:49 PM |
#239 |
| -
So post the URL's to these polls. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 11:27 PM |
#256 |
| -
okay, here we go, get ready to change your opinion . . . |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-23-03 12:07 AM |
#267 |
| -
That is essentially a PUSH POLL |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 12:18 AM |
#269 |
| -
And your counter-poll link is??? nt |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-23-03 12:20 AM |
#270 |
| -
I didn't say I HAD a counter poll. The language of this poll is LEADING |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 02:21 AM |
#274 |
| -
Leading-ness poll not relevant for our purposes |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-23-03 09:06 AM |
#304 |
| -
No veto power from me |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:35 PM |
#84 |
| -
Of course men should have a say... |
ShimokitaJer |
Oct-22-03 02:28 PM |
#39 |
| -
As a man, I say no. |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 02:31 PM |
#41 |
| -
No, they shouldn't. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 02:33 PM |
#43 |
| -
So the father isn't |
judge_smales |
Oct-22-03 02:36 PM |
#48 |
| -
Of course the father is a parent, but seriously... |
redqueen |
Oct-22-03 02:47 PM |
#57 |
| -
Mother nature has decided that after I |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 03:39 PM |
#86 |
| -
But we're not solely going by nature. |
redqueen |
Oct-22-03 03:54 PM |
#90 |
| -
I guess fairness depends on which gonads you have |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 04:25 PM |
#99 |
| -
Forgive me |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 05:01 PM |
#111 |
| -
Answers |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 05:14 PM |
#114 |
| -
I must disagree. |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 05:36 PM |
#130 |
| -
Okay, amended answers then |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 05:45 PM |
#135 |
| -
I guess we're going to have to |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 05:57 PM |
#141 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-22-03 05:21 PM |
#119 |
| -
Wow yourself. |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 05:29 PM |
#124 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-22-03 05:44 PM |
#134 |
| -
Wow again. |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 05:50 PM |
#138 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-22-03 05:58 PM |
#142 |
| -
Ridiculous. |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 06:02 PM |
#149 |
| -
LOL! |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 06:44 PM |
#175 |
| -
Their argument is so |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 07:20 PM |
#193 |
| -
Roe v Wade and late term abortion |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-22-03 07:31 PM |
#202 |
| -
I saw somewhere that |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 09:49 PM |
#244 |
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That is because the thread isn't about adoption. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 09:56 PM |
#247 |
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That really was a rude remark. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 05:49 PM |
#137 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-22-03 06:00 PM |
#146 |
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Really? |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 06:05 PM |
#156 |
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Deleted message |
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Oct-22-03 06:19 PM |
#161 |
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To quote Barbara Bush |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 06:22 PM |
#165 |
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Ya, |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 06:18 PM |
#160 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-22-03 07:44 PM |
#212 |
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I still haven't heard an answer to the question |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-23-03 06:18 AM |
#283 |
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What infants waiting for adoption? |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-23-03 09:18 AM |
#307 |
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I am talking about |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-23-03 11:39 AM |
#326 |
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If I adopt, I want an infant |
calm_blue_ocean |
Oct-23-03 11:55 AM |
#328 |
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Well, I'd have to say that |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-23-03 05:44 PM |
#339 |
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An instant family |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 06:05 PM |
#346 |
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That is a great story, Tansy _Gold |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-23-03 06:26 PM |
#349 |
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Nooooo....... |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 05:10 PM |
#112 |
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The man would not be the one |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 05:20 PM |
#118 |
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Ahem.... |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 05:44 PM |
#133 |
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What about a sperm bank? |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 06:05 PM |
#158 |
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Ummmmm....nooooo |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 06:29 PM |
#168 |
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But the decision to support would be the man's -- 100%??? |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 05:51 PM |
#139 |
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So let me get this straight |
Frodo |
Oct-22-03 06:37 PM |
#171 |
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Well, it's a lot more difficult for a woman to have sex with |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 07:26 PM |
#200 |
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That |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 08:29 PM |
#234 |
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Oh, thanks! |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 09:04 PM |
#242 |
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I think in_cog_ni_to |
fla nocount |
Oct-22-03 02:48 PM |
#60 |
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How can you be a parent |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-22-03 03:00 PM |
#65 |
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totally irrelevant. |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 06:00 PM |
#145 |
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Only if her doctor is a man. n/t |
fla nocount |
Oct-22-03 02:35 PM |
#46 |
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Would you require me to spend my tax dollars on abortion? |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 02:36 PM |
#47 |
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For one thing women could be drafted and do serve in |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:44 PM |
#55 |
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and on the money question? |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 03:17 PM |
#72 |
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Your question doesn't make sense. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 03:25 PM |
#76 |
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Yes we do |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 03:31 PM |
#82 |
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You are the one for twisting an argument aren't you No one was |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 03:49 PM |
#89 |
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I see still no answer |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 04:10 PM |
#94 |
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There is no answer. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 04:14 PM |
#95 |
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Ok, Here you go |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 04:33 PM |
#103 |
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It's still apples and oranges. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 04:56 PM |
#109 |
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Yes I would vote to pay those taxes |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 06:44 PM |
#174 |
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Excuse me but I don't ever remember voting on a welfare |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 07:13 PM |
#189 |
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Our county welfare department |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 07:23 PM |
#196 |
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Many women are firmly against the state |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 11:42 PM |
#264 |
| -
But you and I pay for many things in which we have no say. |
spooky3 |
Oct-22-03 06:05 PM |
#155 |
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You get to vote for the levies |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 06:24 PM |
#166 |
| -
Splitting hairs and missing the point. |
spooky3 |
Oct-22-03 07:15 PM |
#190 |
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Do you get to opt out of taxes that pay to administrate the death penalty? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:58 PM |
#182 |
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No but I am not forbidden |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 07:07 PM |
#187 |
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You mean like the Iraq war? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:21 PM |
#194 |
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Like it or not |
dsc |
Oct-22-03 11:33 PM |
#260 |
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There was no debate but I would also caution that your argument |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 11:39 PM |
#263 |
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You also pay tax dollars for medical treatment of the poor... and no... |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 06:02 PM |
#148 |
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Yes, of course |
KFC |
Oct-22-03 02:44 PM |
#56 |
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There are some issues where a general vote isn't |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 02:50 PM |
#62 |
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Personal Choice Means Between The Couple |
rucky |
Oct-22-03 02:49 PM |
#61 |
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agreed |
WoodrowFan |
Oct-22-03 03:04 PM |
#67 |
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If they're married, yes |
Gman |
Oct-22-03 03:02 PM |
#66 |
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NOPE !!! Other Than To Give Support To Whatever Decision The Woman Makes |
WillyT |
Oct-22-03 03:12 PM |
#69 |
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And then show her the door if he doesn't agree. |
Character Assassin |
Oct-22-03 04:37 PM |
#105 |
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Well at least it defines where he does have a choice |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 06:56 PM |
#181 |
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Exactly my point. |
Character Assassin |
Oct-22-03 07:18 PM |
#191 |
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But then you would have comitted assault |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:22 PM |
#195 |
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OK, 'placed' on the curb, cab fare in hand. |
Character Assassin |
Oct-22-03 07:25 PM |
#198 |
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There's nothing I appreciate more than a man who knows where his rights |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:31 PM |
#203 |
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LOL !!! Ain't It 'Cute' How Many Men Here Feel They Should Have A Say ??? |
WillyT |
Oct-22-03 03:22 PM |
#74 |
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Like I said in another thread... when's the last time these guys had their |
Lars39 |
Oct-22-03 03:24 PM |
#75 |
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A different perspective |
Northwind |
Oct-22-03 03:25 PM |
#77 |
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Certainly people who live together in whatever |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 03:35 PM |
#83 |
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A man in any kind of relationship with a pregnant woman |
Dhalgren |
Oct-22-03 03:39 PM |
#87 |
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No, unless the woman asks for his opinion. |
Castilleja |
Oct-22-03 04:02 PM |
#93 |
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I have the perfect solution |
spooky3 |
Oct-22-03 04:30 PM |
#101 |
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None of my business |
elperromagico |
Oct-22-03 04:33 PM |
#102 |
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no |
Cheswick |
Oct-22-03 04:34 PM |
#104 |
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I think Men have a right and a obligation |
rusk2003 |
Oct-22-03 04:44 PM |
#106 |
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No and No. |
protect freedom impeach bush n |
Oct-22-03 04:58 PM |
#110 |
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Should we? I'd hope so. |
Blue-Jay |
Oct-22-03 05:24 PM |
#121 |
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Only if he is the father |
ibegurpard |
Oct-22-03 05:27 PM |
#123 |
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Here I go, about to piss off 90% of all DU'ers |
LanternWaste |
Oct-22-03 05:33 PM |
#126 |
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It's painful, its difficult - its also NOT YOUR CHOICE. |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 06:04 PM |
#154 |
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Kind of a flippant answer to a tragedy, imo |
LanternWaste |
Oct-22-03 06:39 PM |
#172 |
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Apologies if it sounded flippant - but your argument... |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 06:46 PM |
#177 |
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I don't absolutely "know" as you do, but my beliefs.... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-22-03 07:01 PM |
#183 |
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This is how I define having a say: |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 07:26 PM |
#199 |
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To be perfectly honest, I do not know... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-22-03 07:49 PM |
#216 |
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You're missing the point. |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 08:19 PM |
#231 |
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We've gone all over the place on this convo. Anyway... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-22-03 09:51 PM |
#245 |
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I got it - thanks for the response. |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 11:28 PM |
#257 |
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Since there have been two similar stories from the male POV. . . |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 08:07 PM |
#228 |
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Thank you for sharing that perspective.. as a man..... |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 08:23 PM |
#233 |
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Thanks for writing that |
LanternWaste |
Oct-22-03 10:03 PM |
#249 |
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You're an interesting fellow... |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 11:30 PM |
#258 |
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How about... |
LeahMira |
Oct-22-03 05:34 PM |
#127 |
| -
Nope... |
Triana |
Oct-22-03 05:34 PM |
#128 |
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No...Period... |
phillybri |
Oct-22-03 05:36 PM |
#129 |
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And yet pro-choice female politicians can also be pro-WOD |
Character Assassin |
Oct-22-03 05:42 PM |
#132 |
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IDIOT ALERT: What is WOD? |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 06:05 PM |
#157 |
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The War on Drugs. It's the modern day fount of most political hypocrisy. |
Character Assassin |
Oct-22-03 06:20 PM |
#162 |
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as a mother I think the WOD issue is one of those things |
bleedingheart |
Oct-22-03 07:02 PM |
#184 |
| -
NO. Best bet is to "strap up" to avoid any misunderstandings n/t |
LalahLand |
Oct-22-03 06:03 PM |
#151 |
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Only if we can give them the hemorrhoids, bladder problems, high blood |
bleedingheart |
Oct-22-03 06:53 PM |
#180 |
| -
Yes and No |
onebigbadwulf |
Oct-22-03 07:08 PM |
#188 |
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Well if WE got pregnant Yes WE then yes I'm obligated by law to |
LibertyorDeath |
Oct-22-03 07:25 PM |
#197 |
| -
You don't get to force another human being to make medical.. |
Selwynn |
Oct-22-03 07:33 PM |
#204 |
| -
what a stupid question |
whirlygigspin |
Oct-22-03 07:50 PM |
#217 |
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OK but only if you agree to die along with her if she experiences |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-22-03 07:53 PM |
#220 |
| -
Men Should Have No Legal "Say" Regarding a Woman's Reproductive Rights. |
David Zephyr |
Oct-22-03 08:05 PM |
#226 |
| -
No No No No NOOOOOOOO! and heck NO! |
sistersofmercy |
Oct-22-03 08:05 PM |
#227 |
| -
The whole question is sexist the way you frame it. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-22-03 08:15 PM |
#230 |
| -
Why don't you read the other posts here? |
spooky3 |
Oct-22-03 08:30 PM |
#235 |
| -
And many of them are patently wrong and sexist. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-22-03 08:38 PM |
#237 |
| -
Sorry, issues that are based on real, physiological differences |
spooky3 |
Oct-22-03 08:42 PM |
#238 |
| -
But a woman can renounce her financial obligations to the child... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:39 AM |
#312 |
| -
Is there some huge epidemic |
NicoleM |
Oct-22-03 08:52 PM |
#240 |
| -
Bingo! |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 09:14 PM |
#243 |
| -
And the same should go for the woman |
Yupster |
Oct-22-03 11:33 PM |
#261 |
| -
So abortion should be illegal except in the case of rape? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:44 AM |
#315 |
| -
Can you explain to me how it would be possible to force. . . . |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-22-03 11:46 PM |
#265 |
| -
Well suppose he doesn't |
Yupster |
Oct-23-03 01:00 AM |
#271 |
| -
Should he still be burdened for 18 years? |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 02:55 AM |
#276 |
| -
God DAMN that's the best rant I think I've EVER SEEN!!!!! |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 03:17 AM |
#277 |
| -
I think I understand your anger |
Yupster |
Oct-23-03 03:47 AM |
#278 |
| -
Inequity? Get outta' town!! |
Isome |
Oct-23-03 04:52 AM |
#279 |
| -
You are mixing issues |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:46 AM |
#289 |
| -
No, I'm responding to the charge of inequity. |
Isome |
Oct-23-03 05:12 PM |
#337 |
| -
Not at all |
Muddleoftheroad |
Oct-23-03 06:08 PM |
#348 |
| -
Mixing Issues - as you are wont to project onto others |
Isome |
Oct-24-03 12:34 AM |
#373 |
| -
The woman doesn't have to live with it at all! |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 10:12 AM |
#319 |
| -
Will you marry me? Or at least let me worship at your feet? |
Selwynn |
Oct-23-03 06:04 PM |
#345 |
| -
ROTFL!!! |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 06:57 PM |
#350 |
| -
ROFLMAO! |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 07:13 PM |
#353 |
| -
Great to have you here, militant feminist Tansy_Gold married with children |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 07:26 PM |
#356 |
| -
So explain adoption. Why can a woman renounce her obligations to a child? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-23-03 09:56 AM |
#317 |
| -
Since when have men had a say in abortion? |
Blue_Chill |
Oct-22-03 09:54 PM |
#246 |
| -
Okay, fair game. |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 11:09 PM |
#253 |
| -
Then try to pass it. |
Blue_Chill |
Oct-23-03 10:33 AM |
#321 |
| -
On a national political level, HELL NO!!! |
Terwilliger |
Oct-22-03 11:06 PM |
#252 |
| -
Yes, when they become the offspring and that is once they |
Clete |
Oct-22-03 11:10 PM |
#254 |
| -
no |
Terwilliger |
Oct-22-03 11:50 PM |
#266 |
| -
Well my thought... |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-23-03 12:10 AM |
#268 |
| -
I think they do |
HEyHEY |
Oct-23-03 01:23 AM |
#273 |
| -
The question is at what point..I say it's a moment before they leave |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 02:24 AM |
#275 |
| -
What has befuddled me |
laylah |
Oct-23-03 05:38 AM |
#280 |
| -
exceptions to the rule |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-23-03 07:37 PM |
#357 |
| -
This kind of sexist segregationism is jaw-dropping ! |
BonjourUSA |
Oct-23-03 06:04 AM |
#282 |
| -
I don't think politicians should have a say in medical decisions |
VermontDem2004 |
Oct-23-03 06:35 AM |
#284 |
| -
Dr Mendele had chance to be in the same way of thinking than nazi ? |
BonjourUSA |
Oct-23-03 07:13 AM |
#294 |
| -
I just woke up so I had no idea what you said |
VermontDem2004 |
Oct-23-03 07:21 AM |
#295 |
| -
Elect politicians who share your ideas |
BonjourUSA |
Oct-23-03 07:37 AM |
#297 |
| -
There is a difference between medical procedures |
VermontDem2004 |
Oct-23-03 07:39 AM |
#298 |
| -
We're taking about political decisions |
BonjourUSA |
Oct-23-03 08:42 AM |
#299 |
| -
When women can conceive by themselves |
mmonk |
Oct-23-03 07:26 AM |
#296 |
| -
When men can bear children and bear the health risks of pregnancy |
Booberdawg |
Oct-23-03 08:51 AM |
#301 |
| -
I'm not for banning abortion, |
mmonk |
Oct-23-03 09:25 AM |
#309 |
| -
Good post |
Blue_Chill |
Oct-23-03 10:38 AM |
#322 |
| -
Not at all correct. Men who DON'T PAY child support can still get |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-23-03 05:57 PM |
#344 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-23-03 09:41 AM |
#314 |
| -
Because banning abortion |
mmonk |
Oct-23-03 09:47 AM |
#316 |
| -
Long post |
undergroundpanther |
Oct-23-03 12:57 PM |
#332 |
| -
A fetus is not a baby |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-23-03 11:42 AM |
#327 |
| -
NO |
Skittles |
Oct-23-03 10:48 AM |
#324 |
| -
Can't believe this thread still lives! |
mmonk |
Oct-23-03 05:55 PM |
#343 |
| -
I know I would |
Hep |
Oct-23-03 07:08 PM |
#352 |
| -
Our elected representatives, whether men or women, should be |
Redleg |
Oct-23-03 09:53 PM |
#362 |
| -
As a woman who is very pro-choice I say ABSOLUTELY |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-23-03 11:50 PM |
#366 |
| -
Should a father be able to overule the mother on abortion? |
Selwynn |
Oct-23-03 11:57 PM |
#367 |
| -
Ultimately, no. |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-24-03 12:18 AM |
#370 |
| -
Ok, so my reason for asking is this... |
Selwynn |
Oct-24-03 12:31 AM |
#371 |
| -
I can see your point. |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-24-03 12:50 AM |
#378 |
| -
So from what you are saying you agree with |
Clete |
Oct-24-03 12:01 AM |
#369 |
| -
Wrong! |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-24-03 12:32 AM |
#372 |
| -
What if you were 15 or 16 or 20? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-24-03 12:43 AM |
#376 |
| -
Once it is a born child, I would agree...the issue is what SHOULD be |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-24-03 12:35 AM |
#374 |
| -
A few clarifications and a response --- |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-24-03 01:14 AM |
#379 |
| -
Fair enough but I REALLY don't care about what lurkers think I THINK |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-24-03 01:30 AM |
#380 |
| -
Ha! - nothingshocksmeanymore |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-24-03 01:48 AM |
#381 |
| -
Don't worry..if men don't cool it with this crap, I'll bet God makes alot |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-24-03 01:54 AM |
#383 |
| -
Ha!- nothingshocksmeanymore |
PROUD DemocRAT |
Oct-24-03 01:51 AM |
#382 |
| -
I started another thread for this post. |
Clete |
Oct-24-03 12:37 AM |
#375 |
| -
Well, this sucks. |
Clete |
Oct-24-03 01:58 AM |
#384 |
| -
Yes and No |
corarose |
Oct-24-03 12:43 AM |
#377 |
| -
Church and Roe vs Wade |
Roy_C |
Oct-24-03 09:52 AM |
#385 |
| -
Third trimester abortions are far more rare and are usually |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Oct-24-03 10:38 AM |
#386 |
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