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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:44 PM
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30. don't hide your ideas; convey them more effectively
I wouldn't feel comfortable denying my leftist views, just to appear more soothing & acceptable to mainstream Americans

nor would I !!!

at no point would i suggest that you do anything but clearly present your views to other americans ... it seems to me the point of discussing your views with them would be to educate them and convince them to act on those views ...

my intent was not to suggest a "camouflaging" of your ideas but rather to not label them in a way that might make you less effective ... for too long, the powers that be have been able to paint the left as unpatriotic ... for too long, it is the warhawks who "care about the troops" and the left who disdains them ...

that's not the way it really is at all ... frankly, i think the left shows far more compassion for the troops ... many of us want to bring them home now ... many of us know that injured troops are waiting 6 months or more for necessary surgery ... many of us watch as the right guts (and cuts) veteran programs ...

my point was that we should not let the right claim the high ground of patriotism ... better yet, we should label what they are doing as un-American ... we are the true Americans ... those of us who see the Constitution being trampled on by the Patriot Act ... they even label it the "Patriot Act" so that anyone who opposes it is unpatriotic by definition ... nice PR !!

my emphasis is not on deception but rather on keeping the focus on how what we endorse is in keeping with traditional American values and it is the right that violates the soul of America ... i was suggesting that perhaps our ideas would be "given a better listen" if we highlighted that we are concerned about the loss of traditional American values without labelling them as "leftist" views ...

it's not about changing your views ... it's about being more effective in having people open their minds to those views ... standing on the foundations of this country is more likely to get you a good listen than labelling yourself as a lefty ... and it's not just about packaging either ... it's tying your ideas back to ideas that many in the country already support ...
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  -I Met Scott Ritter Today welshTerrier2  Oct-22-03 12:23 PM   #0 
  - Nice synopsis, wT2...  Richardo   Oct-22-03 12:30 PM   #1 
  - thanx  el_gato   Oct-22-03 12:32 PM   #2 
  - I truly enjoyed  candy331   Oct-22-03 01:38 PM   #25 
  - This is a terrific report, WT2. Thanks very much for it. It confirms my  RichM   Oct-22-03 12:33 PM   #3 
  - Ritter Made MeThink  welshTerrier2   Oct-22-03 12:43 PM   #6 
  - Still more good points WT2...  Flying_Pig   Oct-22-03 12:51 PM   #11 
  - Well, the subject of political labels is something else again. It can  RichM   Oct-22-03 01:07 PM   #14 
     - don't hide your ideas; convey them more effectively  welshTerrier2   Oct-22-03 01:44 PM   #30 
  - Ritter is so on the money!  PHDiva   Oct-22-03 01:52 PM   #34 
  - Thanks for sharing all this good stuff!  eleny   Oct-22-03 12:35 PM   #4 
  - Interesting,, thanks  CWebster   Oct-22-03 12:41 PM   #5 
  - Well said  Eloriel   Oct-22-03 01:17 PM   #17 
  - Thank You for the report!  in_cog_ni_to   Oct-22-03 12:46 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-03 12:48 PM   #8 
  - Cheap Shot  welshTerrier2   Oct-22-03 12:51 PM   #12 
  - I've seen bike deck post chickenshit statements in the past  el_gato   Oct-22-03 01:07 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-03 01:08 PM   #15 
     - Better him than George Bush....  Flying_Pig   Oct-22-03 01:13 PM   #16 
     - No  BikeDeck   Oct-22-03 01:22 PM   #19 
        - Don't you think that was the whole point of the smear exercise?  Richardo   Oct-22-03 01:25 PM   #20 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-03 01:29 PM   #21 
              - So now I have to explain irony to you?  Richardo   Oct-22-03 01:36 PM   #24 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-03 01:39 PM   #26 
              - I think that, if it is true, it is a big deal but doesn't mean he doesn't  libertad   Oct-22-03 01:54 PM   #36 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-03 01:58 PM   #37 
     - Wouldn't he have to  HFishbine   Oct-22-03 01:40 PM   #29 
  - You'll Appreciate That Ritter Used Your Sig in His Speech  welshTerrier2   Oct-22-03 12:48 PM   #9 
     - Great minds think alike??? : ) ........That quote  in_cog_ni_to   Oct-22-03 03:38 PM   #41 
  - Thanks for this....  Flying_Pig   Oct-22-03 12:49 PM   #10 
  - He was on TV all the time before he was "discredited" with  libertad   Oct-22-03 01:18 PM   #18 
     - discredited?  BikeDeck   Oct-22-03 01:36 PM   #23 
     - I totally agree with you. I think the intent of whoever leaked the info  libertad   Oct-22-03 01:51 PM   #33 
     - I never saw that..  drfemoe   Oct-22-03 01:39 PM   #27 
        - Here is one story  BikeDeck   Oct-22-03 01:49 PM   #31 
        - It was just news reports on about every cable channel. I don't  libertad   Oct-22-03 01:50 PM   #32 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-03 01:52 PM   #35 
              - I do care about that, of course.  libertad   Oct-22-03 01:59 PM   #38 
              - The timeliness of the revelation is highly suspect  CWebster   Oct-22-03 02:03 PM   #39 
  - excellant report wt2 !  dweller   Oct-22-03 01:35 PM   #22 
  - Indeed  WilliamPitt   Oct-22-03 07:04 PM   #44 
  - Thanks for sharing  proud patriot   Oct-22-03 01:40 PM   #28 
  - "it will take much more than a new President ..."  Oracle   Oct-22-03 02:50 PM   #40 
  - bump...glad Ritter recognized Kerry's vote was for more  blm   Oct-22-03 04:48 PM   #42 
  - it took so long to write up these notes sooooo ....  welshTerrier2   Oct-22-03 07:03 PM   #43 
  - kick  in_cog_ni_to   Oct-22-03 07:28 PM   #45 
 

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