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Thu Dec-22-05 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #128 |
| 129. I do them because I want to |
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Sometimes I receive pleasure, but mostly I do them because I want to ease the suffering of others, or increase their enjoyment of life.
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| -The Problem with Religious Moderates |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:18 AM |
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religious tolerance is the force driving us toward the abyss? |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 02:30 AM |
#1 |
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No Belief is Good Belief |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 02:34 AM |
#3 |
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Not for me! |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 02:38 AM |
#4 |
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So, in other words, if there is not somekind of a payoff for you |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:40 AM |
#5 |
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Yes. and so would the majority of others. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 02:42 AM |
#7 |
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I don't know, why would you follow such a pursued |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:45 AM |
#9 |
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No, not at all. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 02:51 AM |
#12 |
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And I honestly can't understand how you could not have |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:55 AM |
#16 |
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well, it would free me of all my moral restraints. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:02 AM |
#24 |
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It doesn't make sense to me |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:03 AM |
#26 |
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The majority of people are like this. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:06 AM |
#32 |
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And what evidence would that be? |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:10 AM |
#36 |
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would you agree |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 03:10 AM |
#38 |
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I would agree with that |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:15 AM |
#44 |
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No it's not |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:31 PM |
#108 |
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Absolutely. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:17 AM |
#48 |
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then |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 03:19 AM |
#49 |
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The thing is that I don't see them behaving immorally. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:24 AM |
#56 |
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Well I would |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 03:27 AM |
#60 |
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cool. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:36 AM |
#69 |
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I think it was |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 05:43 AM |
#84 |
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I respect Jung |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 06:32 PM |
#99 |
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That's what I don't understand about religious people. |
RandomKoolzip |
Dec-21-05 03:57 AM |
#76 |
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Well I think it is a position that is arrived at by the belief |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 05:03 AM |
#79 |
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You don't have to go to church |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:35 PM |
#109 |
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That is truly sad |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-21-05 05:14 AM |
#81 |
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Well said Buffy. I'm glad this issue has been posted because I am |
Solomon |
Dec-21-05 08:44 AM |
#93 |
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If your so moral |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 06:42 PM |
#100 |
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Sometimes I wonder if we are better than dogs and other animals |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-21-05 10:34 PM |
#102 |
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So humanity is defined by reason? |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 11:09 PM |
#103 |
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I've been caregiving to the developmentally disabled for 18 years |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-21-05 11:38 PM |
#110 |
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Now were getting somewhere |
lvx35 |
Dec-22-05 01:07 AM |
#121 |
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Primarily, |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-22-05 01:25 AM |
#125 |
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Okay, so |
lvx35 |
Dec-22-05 01:32 AM |
#126 |
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I don't see myself as having an obligation to everyone and everything |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-22-05 02:07 AM |
#127 |
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Well sure, you don't have magical powers. |
lvx35 |
Dec-22-05 02:18 AM |
#128 |
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I do them because I want to |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-22-05 03:25 AM |
#129 |
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Just *wanting to do good* is not enough for me |
lvx35 |
Dec-23-05 03:17 AM |
#131 |
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Don't twist things around |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-23-05 04:55 AM |
#132 |
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I give up. |
lvx35 |
Dec-24-05 03:13 AM |
#134 |
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You lie |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-24-05 03:41 AM |
#135 |
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What do you think they worship? |
lvx35 |
Dec-24-05 04:21 AM |
#136 |
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I did not attack anyone |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-24-05 04:32 AM |
#137 |
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Okay, fair enough. |
lvx35 |
Dec-24-05 05:03 AM |
#139 |
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Truce |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-24-05 05:21 AM |
#141 |
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Another athiest perspective |
FatDave |
Dec-24-05 05:12 AM |
#140 |
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I'm trying to wrap this up and get back to Bush bashing, but I'll respond |
lvx35 |
Dec-24-05 06:23 AM |
#143 |
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No motivation necessary |
FatDave |
Dec-24-05 02:33 PM |
#144 |
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Thank you |
lvx35 |
Dec-24-05 08:13 PM |
#145 |
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With religion |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:38 PM |
#111 |
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Indeed |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Dec-22-05 12:01 AM |
#119 |
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Agreed, Freedom Angel. |
lvx35 |
Dec-22-05 01:25 AM |
#124 |
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You're begging the question. |
JackDragna |
Dec-22-05 01:12 AM |
#123 |
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Seems so much like an ego trip, doesn't it? |
buddyhollysghost |
Dec-22-05 10:37 AM |
#130 |
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Please don't speak for me |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:30 PM |
#107 |
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What s the name of that movie |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 03:07 AM |
#34 |
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Why be good? |
JackDragna |
Dec-22-05 01:09 AM |
#122 |
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Not with me |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:29 PM |
#106 |
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I'm an atheist... |
Cooley Hurd |
Dec-21-05 05:10 AM |
#80 |
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Payoff? |
Perky |
Dec-21-05 05:38 AM |
#83 |
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Hmmm, then I wonder why Christianity includes the whole |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 06:02 AM |
#85 |
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It depends on who you |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:41 PM |
#112 |
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Christianity is often treated as a single creature. |
porphyrian |
Dec-21-05 11:42 PM |
#114 |
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God Prevents Incest? |
REP |
Dec-21-05 02:45 AM |
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hehe. yes I was meaning in the sense of "smile on your brother, everybody" |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 02:49 AM |
#11 |
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well If you had seen |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 02:54 AM |
#14 |
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Because It Matters to Me, Now, While I'm Alive |
REP |
Dec-21-05 03:04 AM |
#27 |
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Sure, I do find meaning in a virtuous life. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:12 AM |
#39 |
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Yep |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:43 PM |
#115 |
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I DO believe that I am merely an amalgamation of chemicals... |
RandomKoolzip |
Dec-21-05 03:50 AM |
#73 |
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I'm like you, people who are unsure as to what kind |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 06:50 AM |
#89 |
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Which must be why Cambodia with a 95% Buddhist population... |
JVS |
Dec-21-05 03:10 AM |
#37 |
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I'd say they were non-theistic myself |
eridani |
Dec-21-05 04:59 AM |
#78 |
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tolerating extremist religious gibberish |
sandnsea |
Dec-21-05 03:04 AM |
#28 |
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I think what he is saying is that moderates contribute |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:09 AM |
#35 |
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Check out these groups |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:46 PM |
#116 |
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Exactly |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:26 PM |
#105 |
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Religion: The Opiate of the Masses. |
MazeRat7 |
Dec-21-05 02:34 AM |
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Ahh, yes Karl Marx. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 02:41 AM |
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Stalin did not get rid of religion because he thought it would |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:49 AM |
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he got rid of religion |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 02:56 AM |
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He may have hated christianity, but if they had of served his |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:59 AM |
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i disagree with you there |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 03:05 AM |
#30 |
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Well we know that Hitler certainly used the Catholic Church |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:13 AM |
#41 |
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oh, most certainly |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 03:20 AM |
#50 |
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But also, keep in mind that it too has been alleged |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:24 AM |
#55 |
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re read my post |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 03:29 AM |
#62 |
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And I would not disagree with you there. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:32 AM |
#64 |
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Hitler used every vehicle possible to promote his politics |
JVS |
Dec-21-05 03:23 AM |
#53 |
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Which I think it would be fair to say is true of most politicians. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:27 AM |
#59 |
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Only if all politicians are essentially totalitarian. |
JVS |
Dec-21-05 03:33 AM |
#66 |
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After the German invasion of the USSR, religious persecution was relaxed.. |
JVS |
Dec-21-05 03:17 AM |
#46 |
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that really sounds interesting |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 03:23 AM |
#52 |
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Stalin was actually in Seminary for the Georgian Orthodox Church IIRC |
JVS |
Dec-21-05 03:13 AM |
#40 |
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ah, thank you |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 03:16 AM |
#45 |
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Now the television is. |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-21-05 02:54 AM |
#15 |
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So what caused the collapse of the US? |
me b zola |
Dec-21-05 03:24 AM |
#54 |
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Well after all, the real point of the creation of the church in |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:26 AM |
#58 |
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The church wasn't created like that but it does create social control. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:31 AM |
#63 |
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No, it was specfically created as a tool of social control by the Romans |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:34 AM |
#67 |
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It was adopted by the romans, not created. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:39 AM |
#70 |
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I would disagree with you there and I have |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:43 AM |
#71 |
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Dude, romans didn't create christianity. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:45 AM |
#72 |
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Dude, go back to the classroom. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 06:19 AM |
#87 |
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Sorry dude, I don't have access to kool-aid university. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 06:28 PM |
#98 |
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Oh, aren't you just so cleaver. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 08:50 PM |
#101 |
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No, it was corruption. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:27 AM |
#61 |
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I may come off very harsh... |
me b zola |
Dec-21-05 04:03 AM |
#77 |
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So is this person arguing in favor of atheism for all? |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-21-05 02:53 AM |
#13 |
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No, he is arguing for reason and rationality. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:56 AM |
#18 |
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But at least |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 02:58 AM |
#20 |
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I dunno. I have a soft spot for agnostics |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-21-05 03:17 AM |
#47 |
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It depends on whether they're gnostic atheists or agnostic atheists. |
lakemonster11 |
Dec-21-05 05:19 AM |
#82 |
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How is atheism irrational? |
Finder |
Dec-21-05 09:11 AM |
#94 |
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The author is argueing against religious tolerance. |
lvx35 |
Dec-21-05 03:03 AM |
#25 |
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What he is arguing against is the notion that religion |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:05 AM |
#29 |
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But any religion that |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 03:15 AM |
#43 |
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I am glad you rather than I took on this thread - The "discussion" by the |
papau |
Dec-21-05 07:59 AM |
#90 |
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Christians advocate Christianity for all. Muslims advocate Islam for all. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-21-05 02:34 PM |
#96 |
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Flamebait. |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-21-05 02:58 AM |
#19 |
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Discussion opener! |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:00 AM |
#22 |
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Discussion without |
Kiouni |
Dec-21-05 03:01 AM |
#23 |
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Both a discussion opener AND a heat source |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-21-05 03:25 AM |
#57 |
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I'm Managing to Have a Discussion Without Flames |
REP |
Dec-21-05 03:05 AM |
#31 |
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Given that this is the stupidest post in the whole thread, I'd say NOT |
fishnfla |
Dec-24-05 04:37 AM |
#138 |
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Good stuff on his website... |
rawtribe |
Dec-21-05 03:06 AM |
#33 |
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Yes, I saw him on C-Span the other day and he is an |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:21 AM |
#51 |
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That's why he makes the big bucks |
rawtribe |
Dec-21-05 03:32 AM |
#65 |
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Yes, he is definitely a voice of reason in the wilderness of insanity. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 03:36 AM |
#68 |
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There is kind of a misconception there |
realisticphish |
Dec-21-05 03:15 AM |
#42 |
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He's right. Most religious moderates are trained to hate and to lie. |
BuyingThyme |
Dec-21-05 03:52 AM |
#74 |
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Sorry. You are wrong. |
kwassa |
Dec-21-05 08:11 AM |
#92 |
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Rather than insulting people of faith to get rid of religion, |
SimpleTrend |
Dec-21-05 03:57 AM |
#75 |
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There is credence in that piece |
mmonk |
Dec-21-05 06:09 AM |
#86 |
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Yes, Sam presents his views very well. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 06:45 AM |
#88 |
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:-) Merry Christmas! :-) |
papau |
Dec-21-05 08:00 AM |
#91 |
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Same to you and yours. |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 02:31 PM |
#95 |
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THANKS FOR EVERYONE'S INPUT |
Freedom_from_Chains |
Dec-21-05 04:58 PM |
#97 |
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The thing I |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:25 PM |
#104 |
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My problem is not with the Christians |
Ksec |
Dec-21-05 11:42 PM |
#113 |
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Yes |
FreedomAngel82 |
Dec-21-05 11:57 PM |
#118 |
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It's like the words to the country song: |
buddyhollysghost |
Dec-21-05 11:49 PM |
#117 |
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Finally, someone speaks the unspoken truth. |
JackDragna |
Dec-22-05 01:06 AM |
#120 |
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Very interesting discussion in this thread |
MikeH |
Dec-24-05 01:39 AM |
#133 |
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All religions "equally uncontaminated by evidence" |
zippy890 |
Dec-24-05 06:03 AM |
#142 |
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