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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:31 PM
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95. Same to you and yours.
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  -The Problem with Religious Moderates Freedom_from_Chains  Dec-21-05 02:18 AM   #0 
  - religious tolerance is the force driving us toward the abyss?  lvx35   Dec-21-05 02:30 AM   #1 
  - No Belief is Good Belief  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 02:34 AM   #3 
  - Not for me!  lvx35   Dec-21-05 02:38 AM   #4 
  - So, in other words, if there is not somekind of a payoff for you  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:40 AM   #5 
  - Yes. and so would the majority of others.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 02:42 AM   #7 
  - I don't know, why would you follow such a pursued  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:45 AM   #9 
  - No, not at all.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 02:51 AM   #12 
  - And I honestly can't understand how you could not have  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:55 AM   #16 
  - well, it would free me of all my moral restraints.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:02 AM   #24 
  - It doesn't make sense to me  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:03 AM   #26 
  - The majority of people are like this.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:06 AM   #32 
     - And what evidence would that be?  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:10 AM   #36 
     - would you agree  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 03:10 AM   #38 
        - I would agree with that  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:15 AM   #44 
        - No it's not  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:31 PM   #108 
        - Absolutely.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:17 AM   #48 
           - then  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 03:19 AM   #49 
              - The thing is that I don't see them behaving immorally.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:24 AM   #56 
                 - Well I would  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 03:27 AM   #60 
                 - cool.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:36 AM   #69 
                    - I think it was  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 05:43 AM   #84 
                       - I respect Jung  lvx35   Dec-21-05 06:32 PM   #99 
                 - That's what I don't understand about religious people.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-21-05 03:57 AM   #76 
                    - Well I think it is a position that is arrived at by the belief  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 05:03 AM   #79 
                    - You don't have to go to church  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:35 PM   #109 
  - That is truly sad  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-21-05 05:14 AM   #81 
  - Well said Buffy. I'm glad this issue has been posted because I am  Solomon   Dec-21-05 08:44 AM   #93 
  - If your so moral  lvx35   Dec-21-05 06:42 PM   #100 
     - Sometimes I wonder if we are better than dogs and other animals  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-21-05 10:34 PM   #102 
     - So humanity is defined by reason?  lvx35   Dec-21-05 11:09 PM   #103 
     - I've been caregiving to the developmentally disabled for 18 years  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-21-05 11:38 PM   #110 
        - Now were getting somewhere  lvx35   Dec-22-05 01:07 AM   #121 
           - Primarily,  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-22-05 01:25 AM   #125 
              - Okay, so  lvx35   Dec-22-05 01:32 AM   #126 
                 - I don't see myself as having an obligation to everyone and everything  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-22-05 02:07 AM   #127 
                    - Well sure, you don't have magical powers.  lvx35   Dec-22-05 02:18 AM   #128 
                    - I do them because I want to  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-22-05 03:25 AM   #129 
                    - Just *wanting to do good* is not enough for me  lvx35   Dec-23-05 03:17 AM   #131 
                    - Don't twist things around  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-23-05 04:55 AM   #132 
                    - I give up.  lvx35   Dec-24-05 03:13 AM   #134 
                    - You lie  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-24-05 03:41 AM   #135 
                    - What do you think they worship?  lvx35   Dec-24-05 04:21 AM   #136 
                    - I did not attack anyone  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-24-05 04:32 AM   #137 
                    - Okay, fair enough.  lvx35   Dec-24-05 05:03 AM   #139 
                    - Truce  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-24-05 05:21 AM   #141 
                    - Another athiest perspective  FatDave   Dec-24-05 05:12 AM   #140 
                    - I'm trying to wrap this up and get back to Bush bashing, but I'll respond  lvx35   Dec-24-05 06:23 AM   #143 
                    - No motivation necessary  FatDave   Dec-24-05 02:33 PM   #144 
                    - Thank you  lvx35   Dec-24-05 08:13 PM   #145 
     - With religion  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:38 PM   #111 
        - Indeed  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-22-05 12:01 AM   #119 
        - Agreed, Freedom Angel.  lvx35   Dec-22-05 01:25 AM   #124 
     - You're begging the question.  JackDragna   Dec-22-05 01:12 AM   #123 
        - Seems so much like an ego trip, doesn't it?  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-05 10:37 AM   #130 
  - Please don't speak for me  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:30 PM   #107 
  - What s the name of that movie  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 03:07 AM   #34 
  - Why be good?  JackDragna   Dec-22-05 01:09 AM   #122 
  - Not with me  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:29 PM   #106 
  - I'm an atheist...  Cooley Hurd   Dec-21-05 05:10 AM   #80 
  - Payoff?  Perky   Dec-21-05 05:38 AM   #83 
     - Hmmm, then I wonder why Christianity includes the whole  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 06:02 AM   #85 
        - It depends on who you  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:41 PM   #112 
        - Christianity is often treated as a single creature.  porphyrian   Dec-21-05 11:42 PM   #114 
  - God Prevents Incest?  REP   Dec-21-05 02:45 AM   #8 
  - hehe. yes I was meaning in the sense of "smile on your brother, everybody"  lvx35   Dec-21-05 02:49 AM   #11 
  - well If you had seen  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 02:54 AM   #14 
  - Because It Matters to Me, Now, While I'm Alive  REP   Dec-21-05 03:04 AM   #27 
     - Sure, I do find meaning in a virtuous life.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:12 AM   #39 
  - Yep  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:43 PM   #115 
  - I DO believe that I am merely an amalgamation of chemicals...  RandomKoolzip   Dec-21-05 03:50 AM   #73 
     - I'm like you, people who are unsure as to what kind  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 06:50 AM   #89 
  - Which must be why Cambodia with a 95% Buddhist population...  JVS   Dec-21-05 03:10 AM   #37 
  - I'd say they were non-theistic myself  eridani   Dec-21-05 04:59 AM   #78 
  - tolerating extremist religious gibberish  sandnsea   Dec-21-05 03:04 AM   #28 
  - I think what he is saying is that moderates contribute  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:09 AM   #35 
  - Check out these groups  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:46 PM   #116 
  - Exactly  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:26 PM   #105 
  - Religion: The Opiate of the Masses.  MazeRat7   Dec-21-05 02:34 AM   #2 
  - Ahh, yes Karl Marx.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 02:41 AM   #6 
     - Stalin did not get rid of religion because he thought it would  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:49 AM   #10 
     - he got rid of religion  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 02:56 AM   #17 
        - He may have hated christianity, but if they had of served his  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:59 AM   #21 
        - i disagree with you there  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 03:05 AM   #30 
           - Well we know that Hitler certainly used the Catholic Church  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:13 AM   #41 
           - oh, most certainly  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 03:20 AM   #50 
           - But also, keep in mind that it too has been alleged  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:24 AM   #55 
              - re read my post  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 03:29 AM   #62 
                 - And I would not disagree with you there.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:32 AM   #64 
           - Hitler used every vehicle possible to promote his politics  JVS   Dec-21-05 03:23 AM   #53 
              - Which I think it would be fair to say is true of most politicians.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:27 AM   #59 
                 - Only if all politicians are essentially totalitarian.  JVS   Dec-21-05 03:33 AM   #66 
           - After the German invasion of the USSR, religious persecution was relaxed..  JVS   Dec-21-05 03:17 AM   #46 
              - that really sounds interesting  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 03:23 AM   #52 
        - Stalin was actually in Seminary for the Georgian Orthodox Church IIRC  JVS   Dec-21-05 03:13 AM   #40 
           - ah, thank you  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 03:16 AM   #45 
     - Now the television is.  LittleClarkie   Dec-21-05 02:54 AM   #15 
     - So what caused the collapse of the US?  me b zola   Dec-21-05 03:24 AM   #54 
        - Well after all, the real point of the creation of the church in  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:26 AM   #58 
        - The church wasn't created like that but it does create social control.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:31 AM   #63 
           - No, it was specfically created as a tool of social control by the Romans  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:34 AM   #67 
              - It was adopted by the romans, not created.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:39 AM   #70 
                 - I would disagree with you there and I have  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:43 AM   #71 
                    - Dude, romans didn't create christianity.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:45 AM   #72 
                       - Dude, go back to the classroom.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 06:19 AM   #87 
                          - Sorry dude, I don't have access to kool-aid university.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 06:28 PM   #98 
                             - Oh, aren't you just so cleaver.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 08:50 PM   #101 
        - No, it was corruption.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:27 AM   #61 
           - I may come off very harsh...  me b zola   Dec-21-05 04:03 AM   #77 
  - So is this person arguing in favor of atheism for all?  LittleClarkie   Dec-21-05 02:53 AM   #13 
  - No, he is arguing for reason and rationality.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:56 AM   #18 
  - But at least  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 02:58 AM   #20 
  - I dunno. I have a soft spot for agnostics  LittleClarkie   Dec-21-05 03:17 AM   #47 
     - It depends on whether they're gnostic atheists or agnostic atheists.  lakemonster11   Dec-21-05 05:19 AM   #82 
  - How is atheism irrational?  Finder   Dec-21-05 09:11 AM   #94 
  - The author is argueing against religious tolerance.  lvx35   Dec-21-05 03:03 AM   #25 
  - What he is arguing against is the notion that religion  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:05 AM   #29 
  - But any religion that  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 03:15 AM   #43 
  - I am glad you rather than I took on this thread - The "discussion" by the  papau   Dec-21-05 07:59 AM   #90 
  - Christians advocate Christianity for all. Muslims advocate Islam for all.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-21-05 02:34 PM   #96 
  - Flamebait.  WilliamPitt   Dec-21-05 02:58 AM   #19 
  - Discussion opener!  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:00 AM   #22 
  - Discussion without  Kiouni   Dec-21-05 03:01 AM   #23 
  - Both a discussion opener AND a heat source  LittleClarkie   Dec-21-05 03:25 AM   #57 
  - I'm Managing to Have a Discussion Without Flames  REP   Dec-21-05 03:05 AM   #31 
  - Given that this is the stupidest post in the whole thread, I'd say NOT  fishnfla   Dec-24-05 04:37 AM   #138 
  - Good stuff on his website...  rawtribe   Dec-21-05 03:06 AM   #33 
  - Yes, I saw him on C-Span the other day and he is an  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:21 AM   #51 
     - That's why he makes the big bucks  rawtribe   Dec-21-05 03:32 AM   #65 
        - Yes, he is definitely a voice of reason in the wilderness of insanity.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 03:36 AM   #68 
  - There is kind of a misconception there  realisticphish   Dec-21-05 03:15 AM   #42 
  - He's right. Most religious moderates are trained to hate and to lie.  BuyingThyme   Dec-21-05 03:52 AM   #74 
  - Sorry. You are wrong.  kwassa   Dec-21-05 08:11 AM   #92 
  - Rather than insulting people of faith to get rid of religion,  SimpleTrend   Dec-21-05 03:57 AM   #75 
  - There is credence in that piece  mmonk   Dec-21-05 06:09 AM   #86 
  - Yes, Sam presents his views very well.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 06:45 AM   #88 
     - :-) Merry Christmas! :-)  papau   Dec-21-05 08:00 AM   #91 
        - Same to you and yours.  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 02:31 PM   #95 
  - THANKS FOR EVERYONE'S INPUT  Freedom_from_Chains   Dec-21-05 04:58 PM   #97 
  - The thing I  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:25 PM   #104 
  - My problem is not with the Christians  Ksec   Dec-21-05 11:42 PM   #113 
  - Yes  FreedomAngel82   Dec-21-05 11:57 PM   #118 
  - It's like the words to the country song:  buddyhollysghost   Dec-21-05 11:49 PM   #117 
  - Finally, someone speaks the unspoken truth.  JackDragna   Dec-22-05 01:06 AM   #120 
  - Very interesting discussion in this thread  MikeH   Dec-24-05 01:39 AM   #133 
  - All religions "equally uncontaminated by evidence"  zippy890   Dec-24-05 06:03 AM   #142 
 

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