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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:24 PM
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17. Well Said
Hindsight is 20/20. Many voted for the walking human escrament cause they felt he was "strong on defense" and Kerry was weak. Look at how many wingnuts are drooling all over themselves to applaud this regime for admitting its criminality.

Yes, a year ago, we were barely at 1,000 dead and the scope of the dead-end nature of this invasion wasn't obvious to that many people. There were many who thought the "insurgents" were in "death-throes" and were more scared shit about having some A-rab fly an airplane into their building than their own civil liberties.

Also, there really weren't any major blots on this regime. The corporate media whitewash was so solid, dust would show up. Terri Schaivo ended all that. It unleashed the right wing hate machine to go completely off the logic and human radar...so that anything they said in the past is "in-operative" and their concept of "rule of law" now is as solid as mercury. Many who had no reason to be concerned with abuse of power and a tilt too far in one direction suddenly saw a Congress and Executive willing to stick their noses in private life and death decisions...and other very basic civil liberties. The seed was planted.

Plame showed this regime would break laws and destroy lives to get even with their opponents and enemies, foreign and domestic. Be damned if it's a CIA agent...this rivaled the best work of the plumbers during Watergate. And while we're on that sorid topic, the latest outrage of spying on citizens rings of the Enemies List. We're just learning about these abuses...it'll take years for the extent and scope to be understood.

Right now, without any real political power, Democrats are best served to keep handing rope and work within to create a positive message that can be taken to 435 Congressional Districts this fall and make the most important change we can. It was the Gingrich "revolution" of '94 that started this country on the road to ruin...it'll require retaking the House to start on the road back to sanity.

Cheers...
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  -Chew on this: if NYT had released SPY story 1 yr ago, Kerry would be Pres BigBearJohn  Dec-20-05 07:01 PM   #0 
  - This is the second time we say that in a few months.  Mass   Dec-20-05 07:04 PM   #1 
  - after a while though, you stop wondering.  kenny blankenship   Dec-20-05 07:13 PM   #12 
  - all my friends and family i said this is happening, said news would  seabeyond   Dec-20-05 07:25 PM   #19 
  - No doubt when are people going to wake up, this was not a surprise  stop the bleeding   Dec-20-05 07:30 PM   #23 
  - yep.... keep asking that question. maybe even put it out in the MSM  radio4progressives   Dec-20-05 07:39 PM   #29 
  - Good catch, John...  Robert Cooper   Dec-20-05 07:05 PM   #2 
  - How many Dems subscribe/advertise in NYT?...  Robert Cooper   Dec-20-05 07:07 PM   #3 
  - I think I'm going to subscribe just so I can CANCEL it  MadisonProgressive   Dec-20-05 07:21 PM   #16 
     - Orrrrr, you could let the advertisers know you will be boycotting  havocmom   Dec-20-05 07:41 PM   #31 
  - And what else have they been holding back?  rosesaylavee   Dec-20-05 07:08 PM   #4 
  - If the NYT had released the Bulge story, Kerry would be Prez  Angry Girl   Dec-20-05 07:08 PM   #5 
  - About the Earpiece  Crisco   Dec-20-05 07:36 PM   #27 
  - And the funny thing is  TallahasseeGrannie   Dec-20-05 07:08 PM   #6 
  - I don't know about that.  skipos   Dec-20-05 07:08 PM   #7 
  - If the New York Times prints it, other newspapers, media, follow suit.  Straight Shooter   Dec-20-05 07:12 PM   #10 
     - I am not disagreeing with you  skipos   Dec-20-05 07:18 PM   #15 
        - I see what you're saying.  Straight Shooter   Dec-20-05 07:27 PM   #21 
           - Good frame! nt  skipos   Dec-20-05 07:39 PM   #30 
  - You don't know that.  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-20-05 07:10 PM   #8 
  - No, because a year ago 2/3 thought Stupid was really fighting  Warpy   Dec-20-05 07:11 PM   #9 
  - Well Said  KharmaTrain   Dec-20-05 07:24 PM   #17 
  - Dear Big Bear John,  discerning christian   Dec-20-05 07:12 PM   #11 
  - I have chewed on it and it tastes like shit...  ourbluenation   Dec-20-05 07:15 PM   #13 
  - No he would not have -- the voting machines were under  IndyOp   Dec-20-05 07:18 PM   #14 
  - Yes, he would have...  Robert Cooper   Dec-20-05 07:25 PM   #18 
     - If 90% of the population voted and Kerry had had a *huge* majority  IndyOp   Dec-20-05 07:32 PM   #24 
  - I am not sure....  wakeme2008   Dec-20-05 07:26 PM   #20 
  - I agree, and I'm really not sure if I will ever subscribe again. I used to  converted_democrat   Dec-20-05 07:29 PM   #22 
  - I think you are correct.  Just Me   Dec-20-05 07:35 PM   #25 
  - Did the press EVER sit on jack shit for Clinton?  mzmolly   Dec-20-05 07:36 PM   #26 
  - uh yeah... first dot connected ... spying on dems if the nyt is hiding  radio4progressives   Dec-20-05 07:38 PM   #28 
  - kicking your thread w all the anger I feel inside n/t  emulatorloo   Dec-20-05 08:15 PM   #32 
  - Earth to Big bear John: kerry WAS ELECTED without the spy story  robbedvoter   Dec-20-05 08:30 PM   #33 
  - And Dubya would already be in Leavenworth  realpolitik   Dec-20-05 09:09 PM   #34 
  - And we know the nyt did  zidzi   Dec-20-05 09:12 PM   #35 
  - oops.  La_Fourmi_Rouge   Dec-20-05 09:46 PM   #36 
  - oops. x2  La_Fourmi_Rouge   Dec-20-05 09:48 PM   #37 
  - OK, that subject line  emdee   Dec-20-05 09:48 PM   #38 
  - NYT Also withheld the "earpiece" story after the debate...  On Par   Dec-20-05 09:52 PM   #39 
  - Pus.  La_Fourmi_Rouge   Dec-20-05 09:56 PM   #40 
  - I dunno  Jed Dilligan   Dec-20-05 10:00 PM   #41 
 

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