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73. On "Them"
I know a few of them, and have even been to a few meetings. They are oligarchs, and, yes, Virginia, they are behind Bush. It's not a secret, you can just read the names of his contributors to find out who "they" are. The political process is set up as a genteel silent auction for them, but they have placed bids on both the Republicans and the Democrats, so they win no matter who wins.

George Bush isn't their puppet. He's one of them, a full-fledged member of the club. They will not blink an eye at sending your son or mine to die in Iraq, but they would never, never hang one of their own out to dry.

They have three weaknesses. The first is hubris. It is the arrogance of power that has led to the current state of affairs. A more statesmanlike gentleman than Bush would have been able to accomplish his aims, fool the people, and stay within the rule of law. This brings us to the second weakness, which is inbreeding. Unlike most primates, even the most stupid of "them" can marry and breed, and their wealth prevents them from being selected out of the gene pool. They also have a tendency to marry for looks rather than brains. If they have no countervailing traditions encouraging exogamy, in generation 12 you get G.W. Bush, in generation 13 you get Paris Hilton, and it gets worse in later generations, until you get folks who make the Habsburgs look normal. Their third weakness is single-mindedness. Although this is often seen as a virtue, it can be a vice. Your regular person will turn before driving off a cliff, but one of "them," deeply filled with a sense of their own rectitude, convinced that driving off a cliff is something that cannot happen to someone of character and distinguished breeding, and secure with the self-sufficiency that a lifetime of being shielded from the merest possibility of failure can bring, will drive off the edge double-quick, stomping on the gas as they go.
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  -Bush WILL NOT Make It To 08. This SHOULD Terrify You. OPERATIONMINDCRIME  Dec-19-05 05:51 PM   #0 
  - All I know is  DancingBear   Dec-19-05 05:55 PM   #1 
  - God Bless You For Taking My Mind Of This Shit, For Even A Moment  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 05:58 PM   #5 
     - You're more than welcome!  DancingBear   Dec-19-05 07:24 PM   #39 
  - all the lawyering he's done has led him into a blind corner  librechik   Dec-19-05 05:57 PM   #2 
  - I think....  phantom power   Dec-19-05 05:58 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-05 05:58 PM   #4 
  - No. They wouldn't make him look like the idiot he is, first.  Ladyhawk   Dec-19-05 06:00 PM   #6 
  - JFKd?  Bellamia   Dec-19-05 09:54 PM   #64 
  - No way!  Uben   Dec-19-05 06:01 PM   #7 
  - No no.  RazzleDazzle   Dec-19-05 09:31 PM   #60 
  - But why didn't these ideas die out?  kgfnally   Dec-19-05 11:43 PM   #86 
  - I'm gonna have to disagree...........  Raydawg1234   Dec-20-05 12:37 AM   #89 
  - John McCain - white night  iconoclastNYC   Dec-20-05 03:11 AM   #99 
     - Lemme guess,...  Kazak   Dec-20-05 05:14 PM   #143 
  - I've said from the beginning Bush is a throw away  NV Whino   Dec-19-05 06:03 PM   #8 
  - Well, you certainly have an active imagination!  Radio_Lady   Dec-19-05 06:13 PM   #17 
  - Good idea.  NV Whino   Dec-19-05 06:19 PM   #20 
  - I had a horrible, horrible flash about this today  LearnedHand   Dec-19-05 11:19 PM   #79 
  - I've got an even more horrible flash.  robertpaulsen   Dec-20-05 04:44 PM   #141 
  - Naw  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:30 AM   #156 
  - Poses a challenge tho.  iconoclastNYC   Dec-20-05 03:13 AM   #100 
  - That's why they will have Cheney go first  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:32 AM   #157 
  - When I put on my tinfoil hat  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:26 AM   #155 
  - to put Cheney in...  Robert Cooper   Dec-19-05 06:05 PM   #9 
  - Yes, Cheney is a much better instrument for control but isn't he better  catzies   Dec-19-05 09:20 PM   #58 
     - if "they" are looking to dump bubble-boy  radfringe   Dec-20-05 03:16 AM   #101 
  - No.  PDJane   Dec-19-05 06:05 PM   #10 
  - tinfoil.  kineta   Dec-19-05 06:06 PM   #11 
  - I must say I'm quite surprised by your response.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 06:07 PM   #12 
  - well, if you believe in "THEM"  kineta   Dec-19-05 06:18 PM   #19 
  - Thanks For Putting Words In My Mouth, But Here, Have Them Back, I Insist.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 06:47 PM   #29 
  - i didn't say you called them the Illuminati  kineta   Dec-19-05 07:43 PM   #44 
     - Rather, I believe I tore the point to shreds, but your end point was just  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 07:49 PM   #47 
        - Jolly good show, there. n/t  Dora   Dec-20-05 01:22 PM   #120 
  - It's your privilege.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Dec-20-05 09:34 AM   #111 
  - Hey, watch the shell game  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:36 AM   #159 
  - "THEM" as in the giant ants?????n/t  Javaman   Dec-20-05 11:51 AM   #114 
  - When I hear "them"  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:33 AM   #158 
  - There most certainly is a 'THEY' or 'THEM'  teknomanzer   Dec-19-05 06:39 PM   #27 
     - Ok, but I never said they were that organized.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 06:50 PM   #30 
     - excuse me.  northzax   Dec-19-05 07:24 PM   #38 
     - They might not do the blood ritual,  rman   Dec-20-05 03:50 AM   #103 
  - More tinfoil...  Seabiscuit   Dec-19-05 07:18 PM   #37 
     - the other THEM is the Saudi Royals....  AntiFascist   Dec-19-05 10:46 PM   #74 
     - That Saudis may be *one* of "them".  Seabiscuit   Dec-20-05 12:29 AM   #87 
        - right...  AntiFascist   Dec-20-05 12:46 AM   #91 
     - Yeah, like they did during the Clinton administration!  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:40 AM   #160 
  - Bush is just the right hand puppet of the puppet masters. They have  mom cat   Dec-19-05 06:08 PM   #13 
  - I guarantee  WilliamPitt   Dec-19-05 06:09 PM   #14 
  - You make a damn good point.  LoveOHBlues   Dec-19-05 06:23 PM   #21 
  - I agree with your premise but am not so confident in the outcome  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 06:56 PM   #32 
  - But  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:47 AM   #162 
  - One small kink in your logic  Caretha   Dec-20-05 08:14 AM   #109 
  - I was going to comment  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:55 AM   #163 
  - Last week I would have agreed 100%  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:45 AM   #161 
  - For me...the Abramoff, Delay, AIPAC, Plame, ...and the like...  stillcool47   Dec-19-05 06:09 PM   #15 
  - No these prosecutions will take to long! This is emergency proportion  lonestarnot   Dec-19-05 11:06 PM   #77 
  - w/his ignorant disregard for civil liberty; bush is far more destructive..  bridgit   Dec-19-05 06:12 PM   #16 
  - Tell me bridgit, Why are you attacking the dems? Why no bad words for the  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 06:59 PM   #33 
  - there is no doubt dems did not posses the balls to stand up to w...  bridgit   Dec-19-05 07:47 PM   #46 
  - Chill, Bridgit!  secretmouse   Dec-19-05 07:43 PM   #43 
     - i was not fooled by bush, i am grounded in spite of aspersions...  bridgit   Dec-19-05 07:50 PM   #48 
        - Its good to read  sweetheart   Dec-20-05 01:03 AM   #93 
           - sweeheart-honey!!!! where...have...you...been...  bridgit   Dec-20-05 03:03 AM   #98 
           - ha!  sweetheart   Dec-20-05 01:28 PM   #121 
              - i don't know from beautiful, but i say you this eternal lover...  bridgit   Dec-20-05 07:48 PM   #151 
           - Are you speaking  tavalon   Dec-22-05 05:57 AM   #164 
  - Another Attack  cinci_democrat   Dec-19-05 06:18 PM   #18 
  - Four hundred pounds of high tech explosives and 2,500  rzemanfl   Dec-19-05 06:26 PM   #22 
     - In New Mexico, right?  missb   Dec-19-05 06:27 PM   #23 
     - Yes, here's the link:  rzemanfl   Dec-19-05 06:30 PM   #24 
        - Yeah - so important ABC had it on the TICKER on GMA while they harped on  Iris   Dec-20-05 07:54 PM   #153 
     - I recall the explosives truck that exploded,leaving massive crater in UT  lostnfound   Dec-20-05 02:54 AM   #97 
  - Your guess is as good as mine, here.  SmokingJacket   Dec-19-05 06:32 PM   #25 
  - Fuck. That New Mexico story blows me away <sarcasm>.  Radio_Lady   Dec-19-05 06:38 PM   #26 
     - Boy...I miss Hunter  cinci_democrat   Dec-19-05 06:42 PM   #28 
        - Yes, he was gonzo...  Radio_Lady   Dec-19-05 07:01 PM   #34 
  - I confess to having similar thoughts  BelgianMadCow   Dec-19-05 06:55 PM   #31 
  - I thought the story was a teaser for an upcoming tell all book by  alfredo   Dec-19-05 07:02 PM   #35 
  - i'm with you. * higher ups are throwing him overboard  mopinko   Dec-19-05 07:11 PM   #36 
  - Nah, it's just The Bush Machine  secretmouse   Dec-19-05 07:35 PM   #40 
  - With All Due Respect, WTF are you Talking About???  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 07:37 PM   #41 
  - Sorry! My bad  secretmouse   Dec-19-05 07:44 PM   #45 
     - Made sense to me and in a round about way that is what MSM is........  nolabels   Dec-20-05 01:26 AM   #96 
  - If he's trying to come across as "softer, kinder.." he blew it yesterday  Blue State Native   Dec-20-05 06:05 AM   #107 
  - He's the prelude to the beast, beast's cousin. LOL  lonestarnot   Dec-19-05 07:42 PM   #42 
  - Georgie won't make it to the end but it's just poor planning  LunaC   Dec-19-05 07:52 PM   #49 
  - What would REALLY be scary is if...  EOO   Dec-19-05 07:54 PM   #50 
  - I think Cheney believes he controls all.  electropop   Dec-19-05 07:58 PM   #51 
  - Tecumseh's Curse  AnnieBW   Dec-19-05 07:59 PM   #52 
  - It works  CJCRANE   Dec-20-05 04:48 AM   #105 
  - You and I apparently think much alike. Happy to have given you the 5th nom  Beam Me Up   Dec-19-05 07:59 PM   #53 
  - They must be defeated pawn by pawn. In chess you cannot  Burried News   Dec-19-05 08:15 PM   #54 
  - Well, what about this so-called schism  InkAddict   Dec-19-05 08:52 PM   #55 
  - I think  CJCRANE   Dec-20-05 05:47 AM   #106 
  - They have already obtained Iraq and the protection of America's  stop the bleeding   Dec-19-05 08:58 PM   #56 
  - Hmmmm. The poster is terrified that Bush might not make it to 2008?!  Solomon   Dec-19-05 09:12 PM   #57 
  - Hey Genius, I dream about it too. Maybe try actually READING the thread?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 09:42 PM   #61 
     - Hey, you did it to yourself. Don't blame me.  Solomon   Dec-19-05 09:56 PM   #65 
        - A True Genius Would've Picked Up On The Heavy Sarcasm  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 10:23 PM   #68 
        - So it's sarcasm now? You spin real good. You should work for Fox.  Solomon   Dec-20-05 12:42 AM   #90 
           - How's That Genius Thing Going LOL  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-20-05 06:13 AM   #108 
        - You thought this thread was about concern for Bush!?  tavalon   Dec-22-05 06:01 AM   #165 
  - Hell, I live in a tinfoil house, so don't feel too badly, k? n/t  Faux pas   Dec-19-05 09:29 PM   #59 
  - pretty good plan--welcome to DU, Faux pas!  librechik   Dec-19-05 10:13 PM   #67 
     - Thanks for the welcome librechik! Yep, I figure the more metal  Faux pas   Dec-20-05 01:26 AM   #95 
  - I don't know, but the talking heads have come out of the wood-  cry baby   Dec-19-05 09:51 PM   #62 
  - I dunno  drfresh   Dec-19-05 09:51 PM   #63 
  - Have you ever heard Bush ad lib and actually be able to finish a sentence?  tavalon   Dec-22-05 06:04 AM   #166 
  - Or, you could believe that TRUE PATRIOTS  prolesunited   Dec-19-05 10:03 PM   #66 
  - I like your optimism!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 10:27 PM   #69 
  - interesting ...  NVMojo   Dec-19-05 10:31 PM   #70 
  - Funny thing is it is now a couple of hours since I posted, and I feel  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-05 10:36 PM   #71 
  - I have been afraid for some time that Bush's increasing instability and  Nothing Without Hope   Dec-19-05 10:37 PM   #72 
  - On "Them"  Alcibiades   Dec-19-05 10:38 PM   #73 
  - Very interesting post. n/t  loudsue   Dec-19-05 11:29 PM   #84 
  - ...* is asleep at the wheel, running on empty  CJCRANE   Dec-20-05 12:06 PM   #115 
  - It does make you wonder  FreedomAngel82   Dec-19-05 10:49 PM   #75 
  - The PTB are in the process of getting rid of the neocons,  melting the beehive   Dec-19-05 11:03 PM   #76 
  - Interesting... now who is the fucking PTB?  lonestarnot   Dec-19-05 11:13 PM   #78 
  - Powers that Be?  AntiFascist   Dec-19-05 11:20 PM   #80 
  - the Powers That Be  crispini   Dec-19-05 11:21 PM   #82 
     - Ok then so who is running this ship? Who are the PsTB?  lonestarnot   Dec-19-05 11:38 PM   #85 
        - They are the central bankers, Illuminati, Bilderberg group,  melting the beehive   Dec-20-05 12:34 AM   #88 
        - PNAC  tavalon   Dec-22-05 06:06 AM   #167 
  - Maybe they'll bring back Elvis while they're at it!  Raydawg1234   Dec-20-05 01:01 AM   #92 
  - THEM!!!  incapsulated   Dec-19-05 11:21 PM   #81 
  - No NOT! HOLY FREAK'N COW!  lonestarnot   Dec-19-05 11:23 PM   #83 
  - Link to the history of the Bush family.........  Raydawg1234   Dec-20-05 01:09 AM   #94 
  - So we spend five years wishing Bush will get impeached  RagingInMiami   Dec-20-05 03:25 AM   #102 
  - I think the point is more like  rman   Dec-20-05 03:56 AM   #104 
  - Huh?  Jamastiene   Dec-20-05 08:24 AM   #110 
  - I prefer to think it is the CIA dissing on his ass  sybylla   Dec-20-05 10:02 AM   #112 
  - This goes higher than the people behind Bush  starroute   Dec-20-05 10:39 AM   #113 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-05 12:10 PM   #116 
  - His disapproval rate is over 50% -  CJCRANE   Dec-20-05 12:19 PM   #117 
  - Do believe everything you read  bhaiti11   Dec-20-05 12:58 PM   #118 
     - Just go onto any major news website  CJCRANE   Dec-20-05 01:15 PM   #119 
        - Thanks for the reminder!  bhaiti11   Dec-20-05 01:41 PM   #124 
           - First, No They Don't  ProfessorGAC   Dec-20-05 01:46 PM   #128 
           - what bothers you the most?  bhaiti11   Dec-20-05 01:51 PM   #130 
              - What Bothers Me Most?  ProfessorGAC   Dec-20-05 02:01 PM   #132 
                 - beautiful!  bhaiti11   Dec-20-05 02:33 PM   #136 
                    - Answers  ProfessorGAC   Dec-20-05 02:44 PM   #137 
           - That's handy.  Dora   Dec-20-05 01:51 PM   #129 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-05 01:57 PM   #131 
              - You better hope so.  Dora   Dec-20-05 02:03 PM   #133 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-05 02:10 PM   #134 
                    - Well, right now I'm calling out your sorry ass.  Dora   Dec-20-05 02:12 PM   #135 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-05 02:47 PM   #138 
                          - Ciao, loser.  Dora   Dec-20-05 02:53 PM   #139 
                             - Dora, i seen this exchange from work but cannot post there...  bridgit   Dec-20-05 07:20 PM   #150 
           - Are you guys really that fuckung stupid? He works for us not the other way  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-20-05 07:57 PM   #154 
  - Unbrilliant  ProfessorGAC   Dec-20-05 01:43 PM   #125 
  - Get thee gone from this place.  Dora   Dec-20-05 01:44 PM   #126 
  - I'm Sure Bob Barr Voted For The Great Leader  loindelrio   Dec-20-05 04:20 PM   #140 
  - I think like you do.  Dora   Dec-20-05 01:35 PM   #122 
  - Tag the lame duck with all the garbage, everything's wiped clean...  porphyrian   Dec-20-05 01:36 PM   #123 
  - It's the perfect excuse.  Dora   Dec-20-05 01:45 PM   #127 
  - Here's something that could scare you  Maine-ah   Dec-20-05 05:06 PM   #142 
  - I guess everyone is using fear tactics today, even us  Raydawg1234   Dec-20-05 05:15 PM   #144 
  - Please, Indulge Me Kind SIr  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-20-05 05:40 PM   #146 
     - I was not talking about your goals, I was just emphasizing the power  Raydawg1234   Dec-20-05 05:56 PM   #147 
        - That's the point. I ask you to explain please  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-20-05 05:58 PM   #148 
  - In Watergate they ditched Agnew first  dusmcj   Dec-20-05 05:23 PM   #145 
  - Cheney has heart problems and  tavalon   Dec-22-05 06:10 AM   #168 
  - WARNING: Major tinfoil hypothesizing in this post.  robertpaulsen   Dec-20-05 07:06 PM   #149 
  - Nope... I think he's a screw up who got caught and then confessed on TV..  ddeclue   Dec-20-05 07:50 PM   #152 
 

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