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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Then shut up
Seriously, if it's all hopeless because of the DLC and Bush doing whatever he wants and worthless Dem leaders, then why bother saying anything at all. If all you've got is throwing rocks at anybody who is trying to force change, then you're not helping. So just sit down and shut up and quit gumming up the works for those who are making progress.
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  -"Get out of Iraq Now!" is neither a strategy nor a plan for success. Clarkie1  Dec-15-05 07:44 PM   #0 
  - doesn't "defensive weakness"  G_j   Dec-15-05 07:49 PM   #1 
  - I'm all for telling the truth.  Clarkie1   Dec-15-05 07:52 PM   #3 
  - I could not disagree more....  mike_c   Dec-15-05 07:50 PM   #2 
  - The problem is ...  johnnybaseball   Dec-15-05 07:54 PM   #4 
  - A strategy of permanent bases for  mmonk   Dec-15-05 07:55 PM   #5 
  - Saves lives, saves money, works for me. Idealism hasn't done either  MichiganVote   Dec-15-05 07:56 PM   #6 
  - One problem: they're doing it anyway.  LittleClarkie   Dec-15-05 07:57 PM   #7 
  - The republicans will always find some label to throw at us...  5X   Dec-15-05 07:58 PM   #8 
  - "Cannot" label? The Republicans will do whatever they damn well please.  NYC Liberal   Dec-15-05 07:59 PM   #9 
  - Please define success and tell me what strategic targets a strategy should  jody   Dec-15-05 08:03 PM   #10 
  - As usual Chimp is a walking disaster  Oversea Visitor   Dec-15-05 08:07 PM   #11 
  - This is what mystified me from the first time I heard of him.  greyhound1966   Dec-17-05 02:02 AM   #92 
  - You are so right  mtnsnake   Dec-15-05 08:14 PM   #12 
  - Jack Murtha is no fool  leftstreet   Dec-15-05 08:16 PM   #13 
  - Oh, fuck, Here we go again.  Redstone   Dec-15-05 08:18 PM   #14 
  - The majority of soldiers do not want to leave immediately, completely,  Clarkie1   Dec-15-05 08:45 PM   #21 
     - And you base your assertion on what? You've interviewed them all?  Redstone   Dec-15-05 08:50 PM   #23 
        - It could be argued that "out of Iraq now!" is playing politics  Clarkie1   Dec-15-05 09:00 PM   #26 
  - Here's my problem with 'strategies'...  stillcool47   Dec-15-05 08:20 PM   #15 
  - "Stay in Iraq Now !" is neither a strategy nor plan for success either  EVDebs   Dec-15-05 08:22 PM   #16 
  - You are right, it isn't.  Clarkie1   Dec-15-05 08:42 PM   #20 
     - That and  ptolle   Dec-16-05 03:39 PM   #80 
  - Stay the course!! Kill more! So politicians can look good.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-15-05 08:33 PM   #17 
  - Absolutely not!  Clarkie1   Dec-15-05 08:41 PM   #19 
     - HOW would you stop the killing?  BullGooseLoony   Dec-15-05 08:46 PM   # 
     - I don't profess to have a plan to stop all killing.  Clarkie1   Dec-15-05 08:52 PM   #24 
     - They Did Not Die In Vain, Sir, They Died In Iraq  The Magistrate   Dec-15-05 09:00 PM   #25 
     - What course might that be?  Pastiche423   Dec-16-05 05:19 PM   #88 
  - Get out now is a plan of action  dweller   Dec-15-05 08:40 PM   #18 
  - Right now, I'm just in a pie throwing mood. n/t  Cleita   Dec-15-05 08:46 PM   #22 
  - Get Out Of Iraq?  Bobbieo   Dec-15-05 09:01 PM   #27 
     - You think this is all Zarqawi?  mmonk   Dec-15-05 09:09 PM   #28 
     - No Need, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Dec-15-05 09:11 PM   #29 
     - Where's Osama?  texastoast   Dec-16-05 01:31 PM   #64 
  - Continuing to do ..  sendero   Dec-15-05 09:16 PM   #30 
  - The Big Lie that is skewing the Iraq debate (David Sirota)  stillcool47   Dec-15-05 09:17 PM   #31 
  - Oh No! Sirota is hurting the party!  Cults4Bush   Dec-16-05 12:24 PM   #53 
  - Phased Withdrawal, Sovereign Iraq  sandnsea   Dec-15-05 09:21 PM   #32 
  - Murtha says withdraw to the periphery,  mmonk   Dec-15-05 09:38 PM   #33 
  - Phased Withdrawal  sandnsea   Dec-15-05 10:18 PM   #36 
     - And if we cloud the issue by not saying  mmonk   Dec-16-05 08:22 AM   #40 
        - That is what everybody means  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 10:57 AM   #45 
  - Last phased withdrawl I remember, it took 10,000 more soldier's lives  MadHound   Dec-15-05 09:53 PM   #35 
  - Let's get the withdrawal started  sandnsea   Dec-15-05 10:19 PM   #37 
     - No, I cannot morally support anything short of packing up the troops  MadHound   Dec-16-05 08:30 AM   #41 
        - Kucinich's target date is Oct 2006  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 10:55 AM   #44 
           - Let's start learning from history,  MadHound   Dec-16-05 11:20 AM   #48 
              - Then shut up  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 12:05 PM   #51 
                 - Now aren't you the nice and polite one, NOT!  MadHound   Dec-16-05 12:38 PM   #55 
                 - Polite? Me? lol, no  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 12:50 PM   #57 
                    - Oh those darn folks that want "out now" Never doing anything  MadHound   Dec-16-05 01:06 PM   #63 
                       - October 2006  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 01:56 PM   #66 
                          - Now that is a laugher friend, truly it is  MadHound   Dec-16-05 02:46 PM   #68 
                             - Then you don't like Kucinich's position either  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 03:04 PM   #74 
                                - Please, read for comprehension, OK  MadHound   Dec-16-05 03:35 PM   #79 
                                   - So  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 04:03 PM   #81 
                                      - No, I'm saying that our only choice is out now, period  MadHound   Dec-16-05 04:14 PM   #83 
                                         - In reality  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 04:30 PM   #84 
                                            - Gee, here we live in a democracy, yet you discount it so easily  MadHound   Dec-16-05 04:42 PM   #85 
                                               - That's the entire point  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 05:09 PM   #87 
                 - Wow, and with CIndy at the bottom of your sig!  Cults4Bush   Dec-16-05 12:41 PM   #56 
                    - I probably should  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 01:02 PM   #59 
                       - that is not what I took, from the flames upthread.  Cults4Bush   Dec-16-05 02:52 PM   #69 
                          - My guess is  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 04:11 PM   #82 
  - Problem is phased withdrawal is pretty meaningless  goodhue   Dec-16-05 11:30 AM   #50 
     - That's phased withdrawal  sandnsea   Dec-16-05 01:05 PM   #61 
  - I consider success = no more of our troops needlessly killed.  tabasco   Dec-15-05 09:49 PM   #34 
  - Says who? What do you think would happen in Iraq if the U.S. announced a  philb   Dec-15-05 10:32 PM   #38 
  - This is so obviously to tout Clark's plan  ultraist   Dec-15-05 10:32 PM   #39 
  - Theres going to be more elections in 06 and 08?  TX-RAT   Dec-16-05 08:37 AM   #42 
  - If exiting the civil war is wrong, why not send troops to other wars?  wookie294   Dec-16-05 08:39 AM   #43 
  - Neither Is "Stay The Course" What's Your Point  ProfessorGAC   Dec-16-05 10:59 AM   #46 
  - If you're in a hole...  SidDithers   Dec-16-05 11:06 AM   #47 
  - Exactly.  ultraist   Dec-16-05 01:05 PM   #62 
  - Bring Them Home Now is a campaign to save lives.  goodhue   Dec-16-05 11:21 AM   #49 
  - "NOW" being the operative--and relative--word.  janx   Dec-16-05 12:09 PM   #52 
  - Using Clark's military rhetoric again?  Terran1212   Dec-16-05 12:25 PM   #54 
  - Ye Gads! Are you a Clark operative or just a blind faith cheerleader?  Cults4Bush   Dec-16-05 12:51 PM   #58 
  - i think all of Clarks swooning fans have gotten to his head...  jonnyblitz   Dec-16-05 02:57 PM   #72 
  - Agreed. n/t  tasteblind   Dec-16-05 01:05 PM   #60 
  - Define success please. n/t  Skip Intro   Dec-16-05 01:33 PM   #65 
  - Ok but let's not let ourselves or allow the American people  AndyS40   Dec-16-05 02:00 PM   #67 
  - RET Army General William Odom begs to differ  jonnyblitz   Dec-16-05 02:53 PM   #70 
  - This will sort its self out in the primaries.  heidler1   Dec-16-05 02:56 PM   #71 
  - Um...ask the Vietnamese if it works...  lateo   Dec-16-05 02:58 PM   #73 
  - Only because we stayed and saved them from commieunism.  A-Schwarzenegger   Dec-17-05 01:51 AM   #91 
  - Well said.  Perky   Dec-16-05 03:07 PM   #75 
  - How do you define the "success"  Clara T   Dec-16-05 03:22 PM   #76 
  - THANK YOU. Glad to see someone's thinking.  BlueIris   Dec-16-05 03:25 PM   #77 
  - its an EXCELLENT STRATEGY FOR  LSK   Dec-16-05 03:28 PM   #78 
  - Out Now is the only sensible and humanitarian response  Clara T   Dec-16-05 05:03 PM   #86 
  - your entire argument is based on politics - that's not a plan for success  welshTerrier2   Dec-16-05 05:47 PM   #89 
  - Don't get caught up in the specifics of withdrawal  eridani   Dec-17-05 01:30 AM   #90 
 

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