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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 02:25 PM
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115. Got something against democracy and low murder rates?
You always seem to be rooting against them.
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  -Canada's PM contemplating banning all hand guns. Swede  Dec-08-05 09:51 AM   #0 
  - Wow...  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 09:52 AM   #1 
  - yep registration is all they want  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 09:53 AM   #2 
  - Well - not if the "people who kill people" demonstrate they are  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:24 AM   #10 
  - Well you see - the issue came back because the rate of gun murders  applegrove   Dec-08-05 11:03 AM   #32 
     - so you are saying you strict  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:18 AM   #40 
     - Well - 50 gun crime murders would sound great to any 3 Million plus  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:16 PM   #71 
     - The point is gun control advocates say registration does not....  rinsd   Dec-08-05 12:19 PM   #56 
  - Step 1. Initiate a mandatory registration of firearms.  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:10 AM   #3 
  - Step 4. Watch gun deaths drop 90 per cent.  Swede   Dec-08-05 10:12 AM   #4 
  - So, criminals will be handing in their firearms, then?  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:12 AM   #5 
  - I repeat: Watch gun deaths drop by 90%.  Swede   Dec-08-05 10:15 AM   #6 
  - Nothing will, what?  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:20 AM   #7 
  - Gun deaths in the USA are 10 times higher than the developed world.  Swede   Dec-08-05 10:24 AM   #9 
     - how does that figure into the argument about  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 10:25 AM   #11 
     - Fun with BS statistics! C'mon everybody, join the action!  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:26 AM   #12 
     - Correlation is insufficient to prove causation  slackmaster   Dec-08-05 01:53 PM   #99 
     - Yeah, that's what tobacco and oil companies said  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 02:35 PM   #123 
        - There's a big difference  slackmaster   Dec-08-05 02:48 PM   #134 
           - A .7 correlation is damning and many studies are even higher  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 03:43 PM   #143 
              - Pure smoke  slackmaster   Dec-08-05 06:29 PM   #152 
                 - Criminals inside and outside of congress like how it is now  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 09:48 PM   #155 
     - Nine posts in, and the childish assertions are just getting warmed up.  T Town Jake   Dec-08-05 03:48 PM   #145 
  - I thought canada was already a paradise  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 10:22 AM   #8 
  - Who cares if GUN deaths drop 90%  BurningDog   Dec-08-05 10:48 AM   #25 
     - That's the whole point. Guns are much more efficient at murders.  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:57 AM   #30 
        - then why is scotland rated the most violent  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:08 AM   #35 
           - Swords  Jed Dilligan   Dec-08-05 11:37 AM   #46 
           - So apparently we are unsophisticated - because we insist on rule of  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:21 PM   #75 
              - I'm sorry  Jed Dilligan   Dec-08-05 01:22 PM   #77 
              - Sorry. I missed your point. My bad!  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:30 PM   #84 
              - way to go... pick baltimore as your example  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:32 PM   #85 
                 - Because like the judge said - a ban in a city doesn't work when  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:33 PM   #87 
                    - the key word here is ILLEGAL  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:38 PM   #90 
                       - It is also illegal to march into the homes of the 80% of Americans  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:45 PM   #93 
                          - what does this post have to do with anything n/t  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:48 PM   #95 
                             - You say the problem with guns is illegal use. So it cannot be regulated  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:55 PM   #102 
                                - point is you cite a city in a state  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:58 PM   #103 
                                   - Go to the gun guys site. They point out very clearly what the judge  applegrove   Dec-08-05 02:02 PM   #108 
                                   - do you refute the fact that maryland has strigent gun laws???  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:12 PM   #110 
                                      - Guns have to have reasonable regulations across the country.  applegrove   Dec-09-05 10:26 PM   #163 
                                   - So what we should just give up all form of governance and policing  applegrove   Dec-09-05 10:13 PM   #159 
           - But still less murder than the USA  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 12:44 PM   #61 
           - Crime in scotland. But are the murders the highest? Again - an  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:20 PM   #74 
              - are you saying perhaps other factors  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:22 PM   #76 
                 - You fight crime by making better communities. And non gun attacks  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:32 PM   #86 
                    - I don't disagree that gun violence is an issue  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:34 PM   #88 
                       - Because your gun orgy makes it so that the supply is such that  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:36 PM   #89 
                          - illegally.  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:47 PM   #94 
                             - Your cities of 3 Million have 600 gun murders. Ours have 50. That is  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:58 PM   #104 
  - No - but they can now all easily be thrown in jail. Border security will  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:35 AM   #18 
  - Good one!  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:34 AM   #17 
  - Didn't you read - it is the illegal gun trade that is the issue. The flood  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:28 AM   #13 
     - I think I speak for everybody when I say...  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:30 AM   #14 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-08-05 10:42 AM   #22 
           - "Let law enforcement worry about the criminals." No thanks  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:47 AM   #24 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-08-05 11:27 AM   #42 
              - Yes - accidents happen. Let's get rid of policing alltogether because  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:23 PM   #78 
  - Here is the illegal gun situation in the USA. What the NRA doesn't  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:32 AM   #15 
  - What does any of this have to do with Canada?  Squatch   Dec-08-05 10:33 AM   #16 
     - Half our guns our imported illegally. Half the guns used in crime. The  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:37 AM   #19 
     - do you have ANY facts not from the vpc or its  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 10:39 AM   #21 
     - Here is where it goes into the numbers of illegal guns:  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:54 AM   #26 
     - SO the answer is to ban  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 10:44 AM   #23 
        - The point is to make the supply such that it is harder for illegal guns  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:55 AM   #27 
           - bur will it really..  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:02 AM   #31 
              - By making it harder to get an illegal gun (either way) and by putting  applegrove   Dec-08-05 11:04 AM   #33 
     - It does'nt.....  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 10:38 AM   #20 
        - No - I mention the Judges words because you have the same problem  applegrove   Dec-08-05 10:56 AM   #28 
        - USA has multiples more murders than rest of advanced nations  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 10:57 AM   #29 
           - You show your true aganda bill....  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:06 AM   #34 
              - If Canadians want stronger gun regs, so be it  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 12:17 PM   #55 
              - comedy gold bill  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 12:46 PM   #62 
              - A terrified community in any city is not acceptable to us. To you - it is  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:18 PM   #73 
                 - The America gun lobby thrives on terror. Makes sales go up  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 02:44 PM   #130 
  - Martin's plan isn't just banning handguns  jim3775   Dec-08-05 11:09 AM   #36 
  - I could support all of that except #1 n/t  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:10 AM   #38 
  - Those durn Canucks. They're just showing off how civilized they are.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-08-05 11:10 AM   #37 
  - nah they just bash baby seals with clubs  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:13 AM   #39 
     - LOL, whereas the U.S. tortures innocent people, sometimes to  Spazito   Dec-08-05 11:27 AM   #41 
     - don't really care what canada does  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:30 AM   #43 
        - Dishonest? How does the seal hunt equate to 'dishonest' gun  Spazito   Dec-08-05 11:34 AM   #45 
        - I goes to people why make straw arguments by bringing up  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:40 AM   #48 
        - With regard to death by guns, Canada sure is better  Spazito   Dec-08-05 11:46 AM   #50 
           - then why do you need more gun control?  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:56 AM   #52 
              - Yes, banning hand guns in concert with the other policies listed  Spazito   Dec-08-05 12:15 PM   #54 
                 - who is doing the smuggling???  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 12:23 PM   #57 
                    - If Detroit had strong gun laws, smugglers couldn't buy them  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 12:39 PM   #58 
                    - complete b.s. bill n/t  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 12:46 PM   #63 
                    - LOL, hey we didn't buy your phony war, I don't think we would fall  Spazito   Dec-08-05 12:40 PM   #59 
                    - infering facts not in evidence.  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 12:48 PM   #64 
                       - Ummm, is there a number of smuggled guns that would be  Spazito   Dec-08-05 12:51 PM   #65 
                          - no real facts so go for the person attack...  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 12:57 PM   #67 
                             - Wow, pointing out the fallacy of the request for hard numbers is  Spazito   Dec-08-05 01:07 PM   #70 
                                - give me ONE ligitimate non biasied source  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:17 PM   #72 
                                   - I never asserted I had a specific number with which I was basing  Spazito   Dec-08-05 01:24 PM   #79 
                                   - all i'm asking for is SOME documentation  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:50 PM   #96 
                                   - Now news stories are "annecdotal". How quaint. 50% of the guns  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:41 PM   #91 
                                      - I will take you lack of a response  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:51 PM   #97 
                                         - ROFLMAO! Will take your concession as offered  Spazito   Dec-08-05 01:59 PM   #105 
                    - So the DEA should stop interfearing in the growth of drugs in Afghanistan  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:44 PM   #92 
        - Seal hunt - whether you like it or not - involves killing animals. Ever  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:25 PM   #81 
        - Yeah, that dishonest Al Gore and John Kerry  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 12:41 PM   #60 
           - does this sound honest to you bill????  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 12:53 PM   #66 
              - Neither Sarah Brady or I are Canadians  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 01:24 PM   #80 
                 - where you got that is beyone me bill..  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:52 PM   #98 
                    - Got something against democracy and low murder rates?  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 02:25 PM   #115 
                       - i'm not the one want to regulate a persons freedom  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:32 PM   #119 
                          - It's hard to be free when you're dead from a bullet  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 03:54 PM   #147 
                             - nice hyperbole bill  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 04:00 PM   #148 
                                - Canadians obviously want to do even better  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 04:25 PM   #149 
                                   - deal with education,poverty,racism,and drugs  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 05:39 PM   #151 
                                      - Isn't it interesting that nations that deal best with social problems  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 09:09 PM   #153 
     - I guess the baby seals would have a better chance facing handguns.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-08-05 11:31 AM   #44 
        - Yeah the clubs and beating them to death is MUCH more  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:42 AM   #49 
           - Maybe "sportsmen" should take up clubbing Grizzly bears.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-08-05 11:55 AM   #51 
              - read again  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 11:57 AM   #53 
  - The only important factor is whether police are armed or not  Jed Dilligan   Dec-08-05 11:39 AM   #47 
  - 1st registration. 2nd confiscation  Fescue4u   Dec-08-05 01:00 PM   #68 
  - yep but  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:02 PM   #69 
  - Yeah, think of all the cars being confiscated  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 01:26 PM   #82 
  - but you yourself say that to compare cars and guns  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 01:54 PM   #101 
     - Cars and guns are easily compared but guns are killing machines  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 02:23 PM   #112 
        - interesting topic. why such interest  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:34 PM   #122 
           - Canada is a next door neighbor test bed for progressive democracy  billbuckhead   Dec-09-05 06:59 PM   #158 
  - 3rd. Cities of 3 Million that are safe for all communities. And everyone  applegrove   Dec-08-05 01:28 PM   #83 
  - Canada, get over yourselves...  derby378   Dec-08-05 01:53 PM   #100 
  - What we are getting over - is not letting our cities fall to bits. That  applegrove   Dec-08-05 02:01 PM   #106 
  - LOL, keep your guns on your side of the border and no more comments  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:01 PM   #107 
  - Hey - other gun violence haters... "I think we're alone now". The NRA  applegrove   Dec-08-05 02:07 PM   #109 
  - from the frasier institute  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:18 PM   #111 
     - Ummmm, you obviously don't know who or what the Frazier Institute is  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:23 PM   #113 
     - just like the gun guys site  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:26 PM   #116 
        - LOL, in a previous post when I gave a link to a respected news  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:33 PM   #120 
           - personal attacks...  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:38 PM   #127 
              - LOL, how is pointing out the lack of an 'unbiased source' in your  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:45 PM   #131 
     - Uhm,the Fraser Institute is a rightwingnut organization.  Swede   Dec-08-05 02:29 PM   #118 
     - are they not a canadian org???  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:33 PM   #121 
        - Yep, but the point was about unbiased sources not whether the  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:36 PM   #125 
           - yes i am enjoying it.  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:40 PM   #128 
              - houw about this. or it is biased too  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:45 PM   #132 
              - It is a credible source, no disagreement there  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:53 PM   #138 
                 - tough gun crime sentances  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:58 PM   #139 
                 - Yes, it can be. Our media does give both sides of the issue  Spazito   Dec-08-05 03:06 PM   #141 
                 - overall murder rates in the u.s. are down too  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 03:38 PM   #142 
                    - There is no question that simply banning hand guns isn't the answer  Spazito   Dec-08-05 03:51 PM   #146 
              - LOL, then we DO agree on something!  Spazito   Dec-08-05 02:46 PM   #133 
                 - basically  crankybubba   Dec-08-05 02:48 PM   #135 
     - Fraser institute has gone down hill much faster than any other entitiy.  applegrove   Dec-09-05 10:15 PM   #160 
     - More like a parrot cage than an institute. But then you in the USA have  applegrove   Dec-09-05 10:18 PM   #161 
  - If I were in Canada Id seriously question voting liberal.  Endangered Specie   Dec-08-05 02:24 PM   #114 
  - Thomas Sowell from the HOOVER institute?  billbuckhead   Dec-08-05 02:29 PM   #117 
     - yeah,  Endangered Specie   Dec-08-05 02:35 PM   #124 
  - Perfect. I love it. I'm voting Liberal anyway of course,  hopeisaplace   Dec-08-05 02:37 PM   #126 
  - how will we protect ourselves when the Bird Flu hits and gangs loot  sam sarrha   Dec-08-05 02:40 PM   #129 
  - Did you copy&paste that from a Y2K preparedness web site...  jim3775   Dec-08-05 02:48 PM   #136 
     - Y2K didnt kill over 50% of its victoms in June...  sam sarrha   Dec-08-05 05:10 PM   #150 
  - I hope martin wins and passes the ban  jim3775   Dec-08-05 02:50 PM   #137 
  - LOL, not to mention how Harper is going to walk the 'fine' line  Spazito   Dec-08-05 03:00 PM   #140 
  - love it  hopeisaplace   Dec-09-05 01:22 AM   #157 
  - I'm against this.  Err   Dec-08-05 03:45 PM   #144 
  - Ordinarily, I would agree, but  Cleita   Dec-08-05 09:12 PM   #154 
  - don't worry. We're well-supplied with Inuit soapstone carvings...  Lisa   Dec-08-05 10:16 PM   #156 
  - LOTS of discussion, guess I'll talk too  joegodfather88   Dec-09-05 10:22 PM   #162 
 

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