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Thu Dec-08-05 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 81. Seal hunt - whether you like it or not - involves killing animals. Ever |
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seen a cow as they smell the blood while they enter the slaughterhouse. Strawman.
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| -Canada's PM contemplating banning all hand guns. |
Swede |
Dec-08-05 09:51 AM |
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Wow... |
stepnw1f |
Dec-08-05 09:52 AM |
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yep registration is all they want |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 09:53 AM |
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Well - not if the "people who kill people" demonstrate they are |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:24 AM |
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Well you see - the issue came back because the rate of gun murders |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 11:03 AM |
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so you are saying you strict |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:18 AM |
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Well - 50 gun crime murders would sound great to any 3 Million plus |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:16 PM |
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The point is gun control advocates say registration does not.... |
rinsd |
Dec-08-05 12:19 PM |
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Step 1. Initiate a mandatory registration of firearms. |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:10 AM |
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Step 4. Watch gun deaths drop 90 per cent. |
Swede |
Dec-08-05 10:12 AM |
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So, criminals will be handing in their firearms, then? |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:12 AM |
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I repeat: Watch gun deaths drop by 90%. |
Swede |
Dec-08-05 10:15 AM |
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Nothing will, what? |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:20 AM |
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Gun deaths in the USA are 10 times higher than the developed world. |
Swede |
Dec-08-05 10:24 AM |
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how does that figure into the argument about |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 10:25 AM |
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Fun with BS statistics! C'mon everybody, join the action! |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:26 AM |
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Correlation is insufficient to prove causation |
slackmaster |
Dec-08-05 01:53 PM |
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Yeah, that's what tobacco and oil companies said |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 02:35 PM |
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There's a big difference |
slackmaster |
Dec-08-05 02:48 PM |
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A .7 correlation is damning and many studies are even higher |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 03:43 PM |
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Pure smoke |
slackmaster |
Dec-08-05 06:29 PM |
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Criminals inside and outside of congress like how it is now |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 09:48 PM |
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Nine posts in, and the childish assertions are just getting warmed up. |
T Town Jake |
Dec-08-05 03:48 PM |
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I thought canada was already a paradise |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 10:22 AM |
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Who cares if GUN deaths drop 90% |
BurningDog |
Dec-08-05 10:48 AM |
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That's the whole point. Guns are much more efficient at murders. |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:57 AM |
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then why is scotland rated the most violent |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:08 AM |
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Swords |
Jed Dilligan |
Dec-08-05 11:37 AM |
#46 |
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So apparently we are unsophisticated - because we insist on rule of |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:21 PM |
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I'm sorry |
Jed Dilligan |
Dec-08-05 01:22 PM |
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Sorry. I missed your point. My bad! |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:30 PM |
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way to go... pick baltimore as your example |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:32 PM |
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Because like the judge said - a ban in a city doesn't work when |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:33 PM |
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the key word here is ILLEGAL |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:38 PM |
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It is also illegal to march into the homes of the 80% of Americans |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:45 PM |
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what does this post have to do with anything n/t |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:48 PM |
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You say the problem with guns is illegal use. So it cannot be regulated |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:55 PM |
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point is you cite a city in a state |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:58 PM |
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Go to the gun guys site. They point out very clearly what the judge |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 02:02 PM |
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do you refute the fact that maryland has strigent gun laws??? |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:12 PM |
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Guns have to have reasonable regulations across the country. |
applegrove |
Dec-09-05 10:26 PM |
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So what we should just give up all form of governance and policing |
applegrove |
Dec-09-05 10:13 PM |
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But still less murder than the USA |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 12:44 PM |
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Crime in scotland. But are the murders the highest? Again - an |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:20 PM |
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are you saying perhaps other factors |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:22 PM |
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You fight crime by making better communities. And non gun attacks |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:32 PM |
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I don't disagree that gun violence is an issue |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:34 PM |
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Because your gun orgy makes it so that the supply is such that |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:36 PM |
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illegally. |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:47 PM |
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Your cities of 3 Million have 600 gun murders. Ours have 50. That is |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:58 PM |
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No - but they can now all easily be thrown in jail. Border security will |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:35 AM |
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Good one! |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:34 AM |
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Didn't you read - it is the illegal gun trade that is the issue. The flood |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:28 AM |
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I think I speak for everybody when I say... |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:30 AM |
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Dec-08-05 10:42 AM |
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"Let law enforcement worry about the criminals." No thanks |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:47 AM |
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Dec-08-05 11:27 AM |
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Yes - accidents happen. Let's get rid of policing alltogether because |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:23 PM |
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Here is the illegal gun situation in the USA. What the NRA doesn't |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:32 AM |
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What does any of this have to do with Canada? |
Squatch |
Dec-08-05 10:33 AM |
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Half our guns our imported illegally. Half the guns used in crime. The |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:37 AM |
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do you have ANY facts not from the vpc or its |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 10:39 AM |
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Here is where it goes into the numbers of illegal guns: |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:54 AM |
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SO the answer is to ban |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 10:44 AM |
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The point is to make the supply such that it is harder for illegal guns |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:55 AM |
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bur will it really.. |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:02 AM |
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By making it harder to get an illegal gun (either way) and by putting |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 11:04 AM |
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It does'nt..... |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 10:38 AM |
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No - I mention the Judges words because you have the same problem |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 10:56 AM |
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USA has multiples more murders than rest of advanced nations |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 10:57 AM |
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You show your true aganda bill.... |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:06 AM |
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If Canadians want stronger gun regs, so be it |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 12:17 PM |
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comedy gold bill |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 12:46 PM |
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A terrified community in any city is not acceptable to us. To you - it is |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:18 PM |
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The America gun lobby thrives on terror. Makes sales go up |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 02:44 PM |
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Martin's plan isn't just banning handguns |
jim3775 |
Dec-08-05 11:09 AM |
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I could support all of that except #1 n/t |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:10 AM |
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Those durn Canucks. They're just showing off how civilized they are. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-08-05 11:10 AM |
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nah they just bash baby seals with clubs |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:13 AM |
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LOL, whereas the U.S. tortures innocent people, sometimes to |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 11:27 AM |
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don't really care what canada does |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:30 AM |
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Dishonest? How does the seal hunt equate to 'dishonest' gun |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 11:34 AM |
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I goes to people why make straw arguments by bringing up |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:40 AM |
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With regard to death by guns, Canada sure is better |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 11:46 AM |
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then why do you need more gun control? |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:56 AM |
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Yes, banning hand guns in concert with the other policies listed |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 12:15 PM |
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who is doing the smuggling??? |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 12:23 PM |
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If Detroit had strong gun laws, smugglers couldn't buy them |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 12:39 PM |
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complete b.s. bill n/t |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 12:46 PM |
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LOL, hey we didn't buy your phony war, I don't think we would fall |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 12:40 PM |
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infering facts not in evidence. |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 12:48 PM |
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Ummm, is there a number of smuggled guns that would be |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 12:51 PM |
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no real facts so go for the person attack... |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 12:57 PM |
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Wow, pointing out the fallacy of the request for hard numbers is |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 01:07 PM |
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give me ONE ligitimate non biasied source |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:17 PM |
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I never asserted I had a specific number with which I was basing |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 01:24 PM |
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all i'm asking for is SOME documentation |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:50 PM |
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Now news stories are "annecdotal". How quaint. 50% of the guns |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:41 PM |
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I will take you lack of a response |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:51 PM |
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ROFLMAO! Will take your concession as offered |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 01:59 PM |
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So the DEA should stop interfearing in the growth of drugs in Afghanistan |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:44 PM |
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Seal hunt - whether you like it or not - involves killing animals. Ever |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:25 PM |
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Yeah, that dishonest Al Gore and John Kerry |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 12:41 PM |
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does this sound honest to you bill???? |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 12:53 PM |
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Neither Sarah Brady or I are Canadians |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 01:24 PM |
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where you got that is beyone me bill.. |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:52 PM |
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Got something against democracy and low murder rates? |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 02:25 PM |
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i'm not the one want to regulate a persons freedom |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:32 PM |
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It's hard to be free when you're dead from a bullet |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 03:54 PM |
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nice hyperbole bill |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 04:00 PM |
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Canadians obviously want to do even better |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 04:25 PM |
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deal with education,poverty,racism,and drugs |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 05:39 PM |
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Isn't it interesting that nations that deal best with social problems |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 09:09 PM |
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I guess the baby seals would have a better chance facing handguns. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-08-05 11:31 AM |
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Yeah the clubs and beating them to death is MUCH more |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:42 AM |
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Maybe "sportsmen" should take up clubbing Grizzly bears. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-08-05 11:55 AM |
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read again |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 11:57 AM |
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The only important factor is whether police are armed or not |
Jed Dilligan |
Dec-08-05 11:39 AM |
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1st registration. 2nd confiscation |
Fescue4u |
Dec-08-05 01:00 PM |
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yep but |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:02 PM |
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Yeah, think of all the cars being confiscated |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 01:26 PM |
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but you yourself say that to compare cars and guns |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 01:54 PM |
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Cars and guns are easily compared but guns are killing machines |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 02:23 PM |
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interesting topic. why such interest |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:34 PM |
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Canada is a next door neighbor test bed for progressive democracy |
billbuckhead |
Dec-09-05 06:59 PM |
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3rd. Cities of 3 Million that are safe for all communities. And everyone |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 01:28 PM |
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Canada, get over yourselves... |
derby378 |
Dec-08-05 01:53 PM |
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What we are getting over - is not letting our cities fall to bits. That |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 02:01 PM |
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LOL, keep your guns on your side of the border and no more comments |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:01 PM |
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Hey - other gun violence haters... "I think we're alone now". The NRA |
applegrove |
Dec-08-05 02:07 PM |
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from the frasier institute |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:18 PM |
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Ummmm, you obviously don't know who or what the Frazier Institute is |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:23 PM |
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just like the gun guys site |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:26 PM |
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LOL, in a previous post when I gave a link to a respected news |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:33 PM |
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personal attacks... |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:38 PM |
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LOL, how is pointing out the lack of an 'unbiased source' in your |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:45 PM |
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Uhm,the Fraser Institute is a rightwingnut organization. |
Swede |
Dec-08-05 02:29 PM |
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are they not a canadian org??? |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:33 PM |
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Yep, but the point was about unbiased sources not whether the |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:36 PM |
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yes i am enjoying it. |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:40 PM |
#128 |
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houw about this. or it is biased too |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:45 PM |
#132 |
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It is a credible source, no disagreement there |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:53 PM |
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tough gun crime sentances |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:58 PM |
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Yes, it can be. Our media does give both sides of the issue |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 03:06 PM |
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overall murder rates in the u.s. are down too |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 03:38 PM |
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There is no question that simply banning hand guns isn't the answer |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 03:51 PM |
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LOL, then we DO agree on something! |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 02:46 PM |
#133 |
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basically |
crankybubba |
Dec-08-05 02:48 PM |
#135 |
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Fraser institute has gone down hill much faster than any other entitiy. |
applegrove |
Dec-09-05 10:15 PM |
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More like a parrot cage than an institute. But then you in the USA have |
applegrove |
Dec-09-05 10:18 PM |
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If I were in Canada Id seriously question voting liberal. |
Endangered Specie |
Dec-08-05 02:24 PM |
#114 |
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Thomas Sowell from the HOOVER institute? |
billbuckhead |
Dec-08-05 02:29 PM |
#117 |
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yeah, |
Endangered Specie |
Dec-08-05 02:35 PM |
#124 |
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Perfect. I love it. I'm voting Liberal anyway of course, |
hopeisaplace |
Dec-08-05 02:37 PM |
#126 |
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how will we protect ourselves when the Bird Flu hits and gangs loot |
sam sarrha |
Dec-08-05 02:40 PM |
#129 |
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Did you copy&paste that from a Y2K preparedness web site... |
jim3775 |
Dec-08-05 02:48 PM |
#136 |
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Y2K didnt kill over 50% of its victoms in June... |
sam sarrha |
Dec-08-05 05:10 PM |
#150 |
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I hope martin wins and passes the ban |
jim3775 |
Dec-08-05 02:50 PM |
#137 |
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LOL, not to mention how Harper is going to walk the 'fine' line |
Spazito |
Dec-08-05 03:00 PM |
#140 |
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love it |
hopeisaplace |
Dec-09-05 01:22 AM |
#157 |
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I'm against this. |
Err |
Dec-08-05 03:45 PM |
#144 |
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Ordinarily, I would agree, but |
Cleita |
Dec-08-05 09:12 PM |
#154 |
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don't worry. We're well-supplied with Inuit soapstone carvings... |
Lisa |
Dec-08-05 10:16 PM |
#156 |
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LOTS of discussion, guess I'll talk too |
joegodfather88 |
Dec-09-05 10:22 PM |
#162 |
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