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147. ding ding ding
we have a winner
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  -12/7 *** DEBATE *** Clemency hearing tomorrow; For or Against DP? nofurylike  Dec-07-05 07:23 AM   #0 
  - "Never again will I raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed..  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 07:44 AM   #1 
  - You took that out of context, that quote is about ending the Viet Nam war  jim3775   Dec-07-05 08:03 AM   #3 
  - he is speaking of "desperate, rejected and angry young men..." eom  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 08:33 AM   #11 
  - Poor desperate dejected tookie  jim3775   Dec-07-05 08:52 AM   #13 
  - Seems that Marlene Martin, National Director of The New Abolitionist...  Sapphire Blue   Dec-07-05 12:04 PM   #70 
     - Oh, please...  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:09 PM   #114 
  - IMPORTANT! Clemency bid to include claims of errors in trial  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 08:12 AM   #4 
  - IMPORTANT!! All of these "errors" have been addressed  jim3775   Dec-07-05 08:23 AM   #7 
  - nofurylike, thanks for keeping this topic active.  FrustratedDemInNC   Dec-07-05 07:00 PM   #175 
  - I think it is a mistake for anti-DP side to associate too closely with  Union Thug   Dec-07-05 07:50 AM   #2 
  - Definitely no "payroll" for Tookie. LOL !! Be careful of spell-checkers.  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 08:15 AM   #5 
  - yeah, I need to spell check.. blah! :-) Too rushed.. ah well, I'm caught  Union Thug   Dec-07-05 09:45 AM   #20 
  - Agree with this post  Ekirh   Dec-07-05 08:25 AM   #8 
  - thank you. yes, i remember. we have to stop all executions, including  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 10:29 AM   #32 
  - that "innocent man...executed in Texas in 93" is why all DP must stop.  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 08:39 AM   #12 
     - please notice that many who are against the DP will not act for clemency  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 08:56 AM   #14 
  - MSNBC online poll. Clemency: No 66%, Yes 43%, 18748 responses  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 08:21 AM   #6 
  - Judge: "...our solemn obligation to provide color-blind tribunals...."  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 08:25 AM   #9 
  - More disinformation. Tookie was convicted by a racially mixed jury  jim3775   Dec-07-05 08:30 AM   #10 
     - She routinely ignores facts. n/t  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:09 AM   #15 
  - have you listened to the interview? i am hoping to hear what you think.  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 09:37 AM   #16 
  - I don't understand this, you start a "debate" thread but you refuse to  jim3775   Dec-07-05 09:42 AM   #18 
  - Have you read this? Did you see the pictures of victims?  KC_25   Dec-07-05 11:09 AM   #44 
  - I guess she didnt read the info at the link  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:29 PM   #84 
  - I have listened to the interview...Have you read the site that I posted?  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:17 PM   #119 
  - Did you read the website that I posted?  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:23 PM   #123 
  - I was anti-DP in my youth  Walt Starr   Dec-07-05 09:39 AM   #17 
  - Me too  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 10:44 AM   #37 
  - Yes, and don't forget John Wayne Gacy & Richard Speck  BigYawn   Dec-08-05 05:12 PM   #225 
  - Tookie Williams: His Life, His Crimes  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:44 AM   #19 
  - OP-ED: Our Real Heroes Don't Kill Black Kids  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:45 AM   #21 
  - "Crips founder Williams deserves death sentence"  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:46 AM   #22 
  - Regarding the Nobel Prize nomination....  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:48 AM   #23 
  - Race and the Tookie Williams case...  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:49 AM   #24 
  - Concerned that this defendant didn't get a fair trial?  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:52 AM   #25 
  - This thread will likely contain the "all white jury" propaganda.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 10:00 AM   #26 
  - I strongly urge people  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 10:06 AM   #27 
  - humble gratitude, H20 Man. eom  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 10:39 AM   #36 
  - H20 Man, wonderful points.  FrustratedDemInNC   Dec-07-05 07:12 PM   #181 
  - Wednesday, December 7 at 7:30 p.m. ET/PT BET will televise  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 10:08 AM   #28 
  - Something to consider if you are on the fence.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 10:14 AM   #29 
  - As one of the people  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 10:23 AM   #30 
  - I am referring to the two most vocal  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 10:30 AM   #33 
     - Yes, that was me.  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 11:04 AM   #42 
        - It wouldn't have mattered if I was  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 11:13 AM   #45 
           - Actually, I didn't  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 11:33 AM   #51 
              - I'll reply...  KC_25   Dec-07-05 11:43 AM   #55 
              - Interesting reply.  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 11:47 AM   #57 
                 - No I did reply....  KC_25   Dec-07-05 11:58 AM   #64 
                    - I think that  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:03 PM   #68 
                    - I think that the number of "innocents" on death row  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:07 PM   #72 
                       - The problem with rigid  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:10 PM   #75 
                          - Well lets see..  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:23 PM   #83 
                             - How Many Folks Did He Help Straighten Out?  stepnw1f   Dec-07-05 07:27 PM   #185 
                                - Tell us. How many? n/t  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 08:19 PM   #197 
                                   - too many to count  stepnw1f   Dec-07-05 08:41 PM   #199 
                                      - Proof please?  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 08:49 PM   #200 
                                         - You Need Proof?  stepnw1f   Dec-07-05 09:02 PM   #201 
                                         - Just admit it: You have no proof.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:21 PM   #203 
                                         - You Aren't Here to Learn Though  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 08:22 AM   #212 
                                         - Yes. If you make a claim, it is fair for me to ask for proof. NT  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 09:24 PM   #204 
                                         - Anything is Fair When Asking the Impossible  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 08:28 AM   #214 
                                         - "My Side"... So What Side Are You?  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 08:30 AM   #215 
                                            - thank you, stepnw1f! peace! eom  nofurylike   Dec-08-05 08:47 AM   #216 
                                            - You're Most Welcome! nt  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 09:47 AM   #220 
                                            - The side to hang the man and rejoice!  FrustratedDemInNC   Dec-08-05 09:19 PM   #231 
                    - Due process is what separates us from the Nazis?? Don't kid yourself  Mairead   Dec-07-05 01:45 PM   #134 
                       - exactly. thank you, Mairead! peace! eom  nofurylike   Dec-08-05 08:49 AM   #217 
              - Oh, well in that case....  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 11:55 AM   #62 
                 - If you recognize the  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:00 PM   #66 
                    - I replied to that exact question..  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:04 PM   #69 
                    - Perhaps  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:06 PM   #71 
                       - Yes let us look at the order then? Shall we?  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:17 PM   #81 
                          - Do you have  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:30 PM   #86 
                             - Would you like it if I took a screen shot so that you could see  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:34 PM   #89 
                                - You are silly. n/t  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:47 PM   #95 
                                - No, Seriously...  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:50 PM   #99 
                                   - Ah, let him run away.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 01:01 PM   #110 
                                      - Please.  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 01:21 PM   #122 
                                         - I have to say that I am still  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:25 PM   #125 
                                         - Ohhhhhh I seeeee  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:39 PM   #131 
                                         - Check below.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 05:59 PM   #166 
                                - here is the screen shot..  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:49 PM   #98 
                                   - :crickets chirping: (n/t)  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 08:10 PM   #196 
                    - Wait a minute.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 12:11 PM   #76 
                       - Again ....  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:14 PM   #78 
                          - Are you even reading my posts?  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 12:20 PM   #82 
                             - No, I do think that he is...  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:32 PM   #87 
                             - Maybe he will explain his position.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 12:48 PM   #96 
                             - I have read your posts.  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 12:46 PM   #93 
                                - Before I have to get going....  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 01:00 PM   #108 
                                - You again refuse  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 01:17 PM   #118 
                                   - Same old non-response.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 05:56 PM   #165 
                                      - The ball  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 07:35 PM   #189 
                                         - LOL.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 08:04 PM   #194 
                                            - You are full of baloney.  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 08:31 PM   #198 
                                               - You want me to answer how a person  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 09:18 PM   #202 
                                               - Isn't the guy in the pic Rubin "Hurricane" Carter ??  AussieDave   Dec-08-05 12:11 AM   #207 
                                               - I have no idea.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-08-05 12:39 AM   #208 
                                               - I always thought  Ekirh   Dec-08-05 08:17 AM   #211 
                                               - Thank you for finally answering  H2O Man   Dec-08-05 09:14 AM   #219 
                                               - Got quiet on me, Dog. n/t  H2O Man   Dec-08-05 04:28 PM   #223 
                                               - I would like to point out (again) that it is very  hiaasenrocks   Dec-08-05 04:58 PM   #224 
                                               - Dog, you are funny.  H2O Man   Dec-08-05 08:21 PM   #226 
                                               - Well, just for fun...  hiaasenrocks   Dec-08-05 09:05 PM   #228 
                                               - Sure, Dog.  H2O Man   Dec-08-05 09:07 PM   #229 
                                               - Could you please post the  hiaasenrocks   Dec-08-05 09:11 PM   #230 
                                               - You already did.  H2O Man   Dec-08-05 09:44 PM   #232 
                                               - I see.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-08-05 09:56 PM   #233 
                                - H2O man....  Dorian Gray   Dec-07-05 01:54 PM   #139 
                                   - If you read closer,  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 02:12 PM   #146 
                                      - I don't expect you to.  Dorian Gray   Dec-07-05 02:38 PM   #149 
                                         - I had also quoted Thomas Merton  H2O Man   Dec-07-05 02:56 PM   #151 
                                            - I am happy to hear that  Dorian Gray   Dec-08-05 10:43 PM   #234 
  - What you post here is true. After reading about Tookie's trial,  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 11:32 AM   #50 
     - Outstanding post. Thanks.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 12:02 PM   #67 
     - thank you for posting, Ladyhawk. you wrote, "This case should be  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 12:48 PM   #97 
        - I approve of the death penalty.  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:58 PM   #107 
  - Why do you keep calling this "debate"???  Kingshakabobo   Dec-07-05 10:25 AM   #31 
  - Spot-on. The OP's refusal to debate or look at facts has soured  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 11:39 AM   #52 
  - Exactamundo Ladyhawk!!  Texasgal   Dec-07-05 11:57 AM   #63 
  - ding ding ding  Fescue4u   Dec-07-05 02:25 PM   #147 
  - people are debating here. thank you for listening to the interview and  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 11:47 AM   #56 
  - Thank you for the contact information  Aretha   Dec-07-05 11:50 AM   #60 
  - The pain of that method is not  KC_25   Dec-07-05 11:51 AM   #61 
     - that is only from the point of being given the paralytic agent, on. i  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 01:40 PM   #132 
  - In the future on these thread I think my response will be  Walt Starr   Dec-07-05 02:09 PM   #145 
     - Woah,  Ekirh   Dec-07-05 02:42 PM   #150 
        - That's ok  Aretha   Dec-07-05 02:58 PM   #152 
           - Aretha, welcome to DU!  FrustratedDemInNC   Dec-07-05 07:19 PM   #183 
  - FOR Arnold being screwed either way  yurbud   Dec-07-05 10:32 AM   #34 
  - Only ONE good argument for the death penalty over life without parole:  yurbud   Dec-07-05 10:35 AM   #35 
     - How do we know that he isn't a threat anymore?  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 10:53 AM   #39 
     - that was 25 years ago, but the evidence is useful.  yurbud   Dec-07-05 11:07 AM   #43 
        - The last part of that information was  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 11:15 AM   #47 
           - good points. Has he given any explanation for not briefing?  yurbud   Dec-07-05 11:59 AM   #65 
           - Yes, to Ed Bradley of 60 minutes  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 12:09 PM   #74 
              - I'm not a fan of that "don't snitch" crap  yurbud   Dec-07-05 12:14 PM   #79 
           - The authorities have asked him repeatedly  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 12:12 PM   #77 
     - thank you, yurbud. will you please connsider writing and calling the  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 02:59 PM   #153 
  - Copy and paste from other thread, check out the link here  KC_25   Dec-07-05 10:52 AM   #38 
  - Outstanding link. Lots of information about gangs & Tookie there. NT  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 11:49 AM   #59 
  - I have read all nine of the threads that you started about Tookie Williams  Aretha   Dec-07-05 11:00 AM   #40 
  - More PR flacking  jim3775   Dec-07-05 11:02 AM   #41 
  - Jim, don't get me wrong  Aretha   Dec-07-05 11:16 AM   #48 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-07-05 11:43 AM   #54 
     - That is as silly as stating that George Washington is responsible for...  Sapphire Blue   Dec-07-05 12:30 PM   #85 
        - If anyone still doubts that the above poster is  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 12:44 PM   #92 
        - Wow  Aretha   Dec-07-05 12:51 PM   #101 
  - Me too. I was against his execution. Now I'm ambivalent.  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 11:41 AM   #53 
     - What I found most telling  Aretha   Dec-07-05 11:48 AM   #58 
        - My brother knew Tookie on Death Row and he says Tookie was  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 12:07 PM   #73 
           - ....  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 12:33 PM   #88 
           - In all fairness this sounds  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:54 PM   #103 
           - You're absolutely right, it is hearsay. n/t  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 12:58 PM   #106 
           - Sorry, I didn't mean it that way..  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:15 PM   #117 
              - I understand, you're absolutely right.  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 01:18 PM   #121 
                 - I have no idea what you deleted, but if it has to do with my brother,  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 06:57 PM   #173 
           - An interview with Crittendon (and others), spokesman for San Quentin  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 01:42 PM   #133 
              - Thank you for the link. I'll have to take a look. n/t  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 06:52 PM   #171 
                 - The article really didn't give me any new information,  Ladyhawk   Dec-07-05 07:05 PM   #178 
  - If you are on the Fence, please do not read ONLY the Tookie two shoes..  KC_25   Dec-07-05 11:13 AM   #46 
  - Please see post #48  Aretha   Dec-07-05 11:17 AM   #49 
  - ah geez not this shit, AGAIN!  Endangered Specie   Dec-07-05 12:16 PM   #80 
  - Yeah. It will keep on until Dec 13.  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 12:36 PM   #90 
     - Why did they stop talking about Wesley Baker?  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 12:41 PM   # 
     - Two reasons:  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 12:51 PM   #100 
     - ding ding ding  Fescue4u   Dec-07-05 01:17 PM   #120 
     - And if he is granted clemency  Aretha   Dec-07-05 12:41 PM   #91 
        - I'll go in half on that with you  KC_25   Dec-07-05 12:57 PM   #105 
  - What is it with this guy...?  capitalistdemocrat   Dec-07-05 12:47 PM   #94 
  - A good publicist  Aretha   Dec-07-05 12:52 PM   #102 
  - He wrote a children's book  tammywammy   Dec-07-05 12:56 PM   #104 
  - Read this website  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:01 PM   #109 
     - I read it earlier today  tammywammy   Dec-07-05 01:07 PM   #112 
  - Well he sold 332 books  Fescue4u   Dec-07-05 01:09 PM   #113 
  - rape at gunpoint of a 13 y/o girl  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:12 PM   #116 
  - Well...nothing is really special about him  Texasgal   Dec-07-05 01:10 PM   #115 
  - Free Cookie Free Cookie  Fescue4u   Dec-07-05 01:07 PM   #111 
  - Tookie is an idiot  Jed Dilligan   Dec-07-05 01:25 PM   #124 
  - What if he made TV ads that say  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:29 PM   #126 
  - There's been shit like that forever.  Jed Dilligan   Dec-07-05 01:33 PM   #128 
     - Jeebus...n/t  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:33 PM   #129 
  - Not at all an idiot - He's a very clever con man  slackmaster   Dec-07-05 01:30 PM   #127 
     - If there's any truth to the case against him  Jed Dilligan   Dec-07-05 01:35 PM   #130 
  - *** I want to sincerely thank everyone who has posted on these threads.  Sapphire Blue   Dec-07-05 01:46 PM   #135 
  - You keep telling us to listen to the interview and come back..  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:51 PM   #137 
  - Should Stan Williams go free?  Aretha   Dec-07-05 01:52 PM   #138 
  - now she gets to be the victim  KC_25   Dec-07-05 01:57 PM   #140 
  - It's a funny "debate" thread  Aretha   Dec-07-05 02:03 PM   #143 
  - Some other things for you to work on:  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 02:02 PM   #142 
  - I am really disgusted that people are painting a mass murderer  jim3775   Dec-07-05 02:05 PM   #144 
  - mass murderer???  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 08:26 AM   #213 
     - How is that a stretch?  Aretha   Dec-08-05 01:20 PM   #222 
  - The man was convicted for 4 brutal murders  indie_voter   Dec-07-05 03:04 PM   #155 
  - Your Welcome....(OH WAIT!)  Fescue4u   Dec-07-05 03:05 PM   #156 
  - thank you, Sapphire Blue. very generous-spirited of you.  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 04:26 PM   #162 
  - BRAVO!!!! Well Put...  stepnw1f   Dec-08-05 08:52 PM   #227 
  - The ironic thing  Aretha   Dec-07-05 01:50 PM   #136 
  - Against the DP  mvd   Dec-07-05 02:00 PM   #141 
  - thank you for emailing, mvd. "We must change the system completely."eom  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 02:25 PM   #148 
     - You're welcome!  mvd   Dec-07-05 03:01 PM   #154 
        - *  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 03:41 PM   #159 
  - New Yorkers Rally For Tookie Williams as Clemency Deadline Nears  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 03:30 PM   #157 
  - Still not interested in debating on your own "debate" thread, huh?  Aretha   Dec-07-05 03:39 PM   #158 
  - The Rev. James Lawson speaks at the save Tookie Rally Dec 3 (audio link)  Sapphire Blue   Dec-07-05 04:03 PM   #160 
  - thank you for that link, Sapphire Blue! this is excellent!! i hope you all  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 04:40 PM   #163 
     - Why are you pretending to be  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 06:57 PM   #174 
  - Just the usual bunch. "Poets, musicians, and political activists" NT  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 04:20 PM   #161 
  - Let's start attacking poets, musicians and political activists.  FrustratedDemInNC   Dec-07-05 07:25 PM   #184 
     - Her headline was misleading.  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 07:35 PM   #188 
  - Wow. I would have really liked to have been  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 07:51 PM   #192 
  - in the words of the kind-spirited Sapphire Blue, i wish you Mercy  nofurylike   Dec-07-05 05:13 PM   #164 
  - Yes, she is kind-spirited.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 06:05 PM   #167 
     - A frightening thought.  Aretha   Dec-07-05 06:34 PM   #169 
        - I bet they would sell more copies. NT  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 06:43 PM   #170 
        - Well, Saddam has written a few romance novels.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 07:14 PM   #182 
           - Some DUers have already posted that he is the only legitmate...  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 07:31 PM   #187 
              - He says the same thing.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 07:49 PM   #191 
                 - They say it, he says it, for them that settles it. NT  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 07:58 PM   #193 
                    - This sounds like another poster in this thread. (i.e. Nazi discussion)  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 08:08 PM   #195 
  - Questions about "Tookie's" anti-gang work with youth.  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 06:21 PM   #168 
  - I was thinking about this earlier this afternoon.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 06:54 PM   #172 
     - Another thing to remember, his publicist is also the co-author of his book  jim3775   Dec-07-05 07:02 PM   #176 
     - Yeah, I noticed that. At first I thought that fact might  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 07:06 PM   #179 
     - In an the first of these thread they were saying 150,000 kids saved, but  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 07:04 PM   #177 
        - The problem we face is that  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 07:09 PM   #180 
           - Fantastic claims REQUIRE fantasic proof.  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 07:29 PM   #186 
              - Apparently they have no concept of that. n/t  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 07:44 PM   #190 
  - MSNBC Poll, Clemency 66% No, 34%Yes, 20627 responses 10:45 PM CST  Silverhair   Dec-07-05 10:48 PM   #205 
  - The % breakdown appears to be  hiaasenrocks   Dec-07-05 10:51 PM   #206 
  - I just read some of this...  Endangered Specie   Dec-08-05 01:28 AM   #209 
  - Precisely, what do we, as a society, as individuals,  Paradise   Dec-08-05 07:37 AM   #210 
  - thank you, Paradise. peace! eom  nofurylike   Dec-08-05 08:53 AM   #218 
  - MSNBC poll: Clemency NO 66%, YES 34% 21763 responses, 12:36 CST  Silverhair   Dec-08-05 12:38 PM   #221 
 

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