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Tue Dec-06-05 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #115 |
| 116. LOL, really friend, please before you embarrass yourself again |
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Do some historical research. First off, Supreme Court verdicts don't get "overturned". The Supreme Court might reverse itself on an issue, but that doesn't happen "all the time". Out of the thousands upon thousands of verdicts that the Supreme Court has handed down over the years, only a relative few, a couple of handfuls have been reversed. And quite frankly that hasn't happened in the last thirty plus years.
And yes, I fully realize what went down at Skokie. I also realize that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the First Amendment and ruled that the Neo Nazis could march. That they didn't march takes nothing away from that ruling, for it was one more reinforcement in favor of free speech in this country.
And I was answering your hypothetical about guns with the statement that yes, they could have carried guns. I fully realize that they didn't, but thanks to our Second Amendment rights, they could have.
And there is no "seeing" about it friend. You don't have a legal or moral leg to stand on. Show me one, just one Supreme Court case that rules in favor of banning flag burning. I'll be waiting here patiently.
That you wish to tear down the First Amendment says a lot about you friend, probably more than you wish was out there. Don't you realize what kind of slippery slope such a law would start us down? First we're not allowed to burn the flag, then we're not allowed to criticize the government, don't you get it? That flag that you revere so much is important because it symbolizes the acceptance of all free expression, including expression that the majority of us don't like, like burning the flag. If you make a law putting shackles on the First Amendment you are doing this country much more damage than any dozen flag burners could do. You are taking away one of the things that makes America great, the right to speak one's mind. Why do you hate America so much that you're willing to throw away our right to free speech?
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| -more wonderful conservative views from Hillary |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 07:52 AM |
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And this would be wrong because? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:00 AM |
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Ah that is a fine argument there. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:03 AM |
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It sure as shit is.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:08 AM |
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hey why not just amend the constitution to outlaw dimwits? |
G_j |
Dec-06-05 08:12 AM |
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LOL! |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:16 AM |
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Yeah, We Have So Much Of That Going On Now. |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 08:05 AM |
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Wouldn't want to head any off, either.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:07 AM |
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What Exactly Is It,... |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 08:15 AM |
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You mean you got no idea why anyone objects to burning an American flag? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:17 AM |
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I object to you. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:18 AM |
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And I'm supposed to bust out crying? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:28 AM |
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No. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:36 AM |
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I Know Why Some People Object. |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 08:21 AM |
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Really? Tell us why. |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:29 AM |
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Ya Know Mr. Benchly... |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 08:40 AM |
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Ya know, jayfish.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:53 AM |
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Good Lord! |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 09:04 AM |
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So why do some people object? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:10 AM |
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What Bearing Does It Have On Our Discussion? |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 09:22 AM |
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We're not having a discussion... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:28 AM |
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Since It Seems To Be A Major Sticking... |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 09:32 AM |
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Then let's discuss why Americans object to burning the flag |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:36 AM |
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Let's Get Beyond Our Issues First,... |
jayfish |
Dec-06-05 09:37 AM |
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that is the whole point of a protest to call attention to an issue |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 08:23 AM |
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Actually some states had flag desecration laws. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:27 AM |
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I wasn't aware of that. Appreciate the education |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 08:31 AM |
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Furthermore flag burning incidents discredited the anti-war movement |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:34 AM |
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Oh bullshit. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:37 AM |
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Who DO you think you're kidding? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:45 AM |
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Got any sources, links, or research backing that up? |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 08:39 AM |
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Posted one up above.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:55 AM |
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No, again you are misreading me. |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 09:15 AM |
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Didn't misread anything.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:27 AM |
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LOL LOL LOLOL LOL L LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!! |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 09:44 AM |
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Yeah, that's right...I gave you the evidence you wanted |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:50 AM |
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You just enjoy being deliberately obtuse, that is obvious |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 10:00 AM |
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One last answer.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 10:25 AM |
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WHOOP! There it is! |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 12:24 PM |
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Yup...and all you've got is pouting in response |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 02:49 PM |
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Woooh, you need to do some serious research friend |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 03:06 PM |
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Been there, done that.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 03:15 PM |
#115 |
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LOL, really friend, please before you embarrass yourself again |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 03:36 PM |
#116 |
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I'm not the one embarrasing himself; that would be you |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 03:53 PM |
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*sadly shakes head* |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 04:31 PM |
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Says the guy who didn't know the Supreme Court reversed itself in 2003 |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 04:49 PM |
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Good night, and thanks for the laughs |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 04:54 PM |
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It sure as hell been a lot of laughs for me |
MrBenchley |
Dec-07-05 03:52 AM |
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And how did that flag burning work out back then? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:33 AM |
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I'm afraid |
G_j |
Dec-06-05 08:41 AM |
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I haven't confused anything... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:00 AM |
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are we not talking about the Constitution? |
G_j |
Dec-06-05 09:21 AM |
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Was the post I responded to talking about the Constitution? No. |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:30 AM |
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isn't that rather dishonest? |
G_j |
Dec-06-05 09:44 AM |
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It's dishonest to respond to a post and discuss the issues raised there? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:51 AM |
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that is enough game playing for me, thanks |
G_j |
Dec-06-05 09:53 AM |
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The antiwar movement, |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:41 AM |
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That's the best summary I've ever read. Exactly. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 08:47 AM |
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That IS rich.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:03 AM |
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Yes and bravo. |
Cults4Bush |
Dec-06-05 10:24 AM |
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This is the type of |
greyhound1966 |
Dec-06-05 09:51 AM |
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because it violates free speech |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 08:07 AM |
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Bullshit! It's provocation, pure and simple.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:10 AM |
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why do we have to CO-Sponser it? |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 08:13 AM |
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Why the fuck not? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:28 AM |
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then in my view he is wrong also. Even more so if it was a |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 08:40 AM |
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So which Democrat is FOR flag burning? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:48 AM |
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not at all |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 09:55 AM |
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You're right. This is the main point. |
antfarm |
Dec-06-05 09:22 AM |
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Political expression is constitutionally protected. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:21 AM |
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Deliberate provocation is not |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:35 AM |
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Well then off to jail with you. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 08:43 AM |
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Your boss, Al From has said the same thing about Michael Moore and ...... |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Dec-07-05 04:09 AM |
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"Congress shall make NO law abridging the freedom of speech.." |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-06-05 08:28 AM |
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Exceptions are constitutionally recognized.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 08:39 AM |
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Well, we sure wouldn't want to cause "unrest". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-06-05 08:46 AM |
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Nice to see that there are Democrats out there |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 08:45 AM |
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Hey, even nicer to see that there are Democrats |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:08 AM |
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Oh please, stop with the gratuitous smears friend |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 09:31 AM |
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You first... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:43 AM |
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Tired and predictable |
MadHound |
Dec-06-05 09:49 AM |
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Yup. You're tired and predictable. |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:53 AM |
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How is it that you can leap into... |
w13rd0 |
Dec-06-05 09:04 AM |
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LOL! |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:13 AM |
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Wrong because the Supreme Court ruled flag-burning... |
Spider Jerusalem |
Dec-06-05 03:08 PM |
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she's trying to have her cake and eat it, too |
Walt Starr |
Dec-06-05 08:02 AM |
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You are right on |
still_one |
Dec-06-05 08:08 AM |
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Kerry tried that when he voted for the $87 billion before he voted |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-06-05 08:10 AM |
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Aren't flags an alternate source of fuel? |
Lubernaut |
Dec-06-05 08:10 AM |
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But..but..Hillary is a 'liberal' who believes in "freedom". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Dec-06-05 08:31 AM |
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Hilary is a dixiecrat. I was shocked when I realized it, but she is. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 08:50 AM |
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Who DO you think you're kidding? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:15 AM |
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You have it wrong, sir. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 09:25 AM |
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So tell us, who WERE the Dixiecrats? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:34 AM |
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I'm not copying, Mr. Benchley. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 09:40 AM |
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ThreaD...soemtimes typos are most unfortunate.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 09:45 AM |
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When did you start using the Imperial "we" in our conversations? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 10:10 AM |
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Have somebody explain to you how a public forum works.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 10:30 AM |
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Maybe you can decode "moving to the center" for me. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 10:51 AM |
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You mean you think that's some sort of mystery? |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 11:46 AM |
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Again with the Imperial "we". |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-06-05 11:52 AM |
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Neither does the average American likely favor... |
KevinJ |
Dec-06-05 12:00 PM |
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Hahahahaha.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 02:53 PM |
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So why is Hillary trying to get everyone riled up about it? |
KevinJ |
Dec-06-05 04:32 PM |
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First violence in video games, now flag burning, what's next... |
godai |
Dec-06-05 08:41 AM |
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As long as it includes ALL desecration ... |
Drifter |
Dec-06-05 09:07 AM |
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Am I missing something here? Has there been a rash of flag |
malachi |
Dec-06-05 09:14 AM |
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I won't provide the match or condone it |
DemonFighterLives |
Dec-06-05 09:43 AM |
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We have an icon for stuff like this |
Hardhead |
Dec-06-05 09:27 AM |
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Hasn't Bush been desecrating the flag more than anyone? |
Norquist Nemesis |
Dec-06-05 09:31 AM |
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Yes * has by placing brave young people beneath the flags for a war based |
mod mom |
Dec-06-05 09:49 AM |
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ginbarn has the right idea... |
derby378 |
Dec-06-05 09:56 AM |
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Hillary is positioning herself centrally and those who protest |
second edition |
Dec-06-05 10:15 AM |
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Pandering to fascists is not 'centrist'. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 10:39 AM |
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Actually, she's creating wedge issues |
KevinJ |
Dec-06-05 11:49 AM |
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Uh Hillary, we have much BIGGER problems. n/t |
MsConduct |
Dec-06-05 11:27 AM |
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It seems to be a full time job defending Hillary and Lieberman |
jsamuel |
Dec-06-05 12:02 PM |
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Not really.... |
MrBenchley |
Dec-06-05 03:08 PM |
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You know, I don't necessarily mind a dem having s few right-leaning views- |
Yollam |
Dec-06-05 12:06 PM |
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Thank you! |
KevinJ |
Dec-06-05 12:13 PM |
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Typical... |
walldude |
Dec-06-05 03:09 PM |
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Right on! |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-06-05 03:13 PM |
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Thank you for posting that. |
endarkenment |
Dec-06-05 03:51 PM |
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The flag isn't frozen in time. It doesn't represent a person or a policy |
AZBlue |
Dec-06-05 04:20 PM |
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She sounds just like *. |
BuyingThyme |
Dec-06-05 03:10 PM |
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she's an opportunist |
rniel |
Dec-06-05 03:10 PM |
#113 |