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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:41 AM
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39. The antiwar movement,
despite or perhaps because of all of its excesses forced the government to change course on vietnam, and to eventually give up and bail out.

You can make all sorts of assertions but you will find it difficult to prove anything about which tactics of the antiwar movement were beneficial and which were detrimental. An equally good argument, quite opposite to yours, can be made that flag burning, bomb throwing, rioting, etc. caused such a massive breakdown of the social fabric here that the corporate establishment got spooked and demanded an end to the war in order to retain control over the situation at home.
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  -more wonderful conservative views from Hillary still_one  Dec-06-05 07:52 AM   #0 
  - And this would be wrong because?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:00 AM   #1 
  - Ah that is a fine argument there.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:03 AM   #3 
  - It sure as shit is....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:08 AM   #7 
     - hey why not just amend the constitution to outlaw dimwits?  G_j   Dec-06-05 08:12 AM   #12 
        - LOL!  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:16 AM   #15 
  - Yeah, We Have So Much Of That Going On Now.  jayfish   Dec-06-05 08:05 AM   #4 
  - Wouldn't want to head any off, either....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:07 AM   #5 
     - What Exactly Is It,...  jayfish   Dec-06-05 08:15 AM   #14 
        - You mean you got no idea why anyone objects to burning an American flag?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:17 AM   #16 
        - I object to you.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:18 AM   #17 
        - And I'm supposed to bust out crying?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:28 AM   #24 
           - No.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:36 AM   #31 
        - I Know Why Some People Object.  jayfish   Dec-06-05 08:21 AM   #18 
        - Really? Tell us why.  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:29 AM   #25 
           - Ya Know Mr. Benchly...  jayfish   Dec-06-05 08:40 AM   #36 
              - Ya know, jayfish....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:53 AM   #47 
                 - Good Lord!  jayfish   Dec-06-05 09:04 AM   #52 
                    - So why do some people object?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:10 AM   #55 
                       - What Bearing Does It Have On Our Discussion?  jayfish   Dec-06-05 09:22 AM   #62 
                          - We're not having a discussion...  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:28 AM   #66 
                             - Since It Seems To Be A Major Sticking...  jayfish   Dec-06-05 09:32 AM   #70 
                                - Then let's discuss why Americans object to burning the flag  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:36 AM   #72 
                                   - Let's Get Beyond Our Issues First,...  jayfish   Dec-06-05 09:37 AM   #73 
        - that is the whole point of a protest to call attention to an issue  still_one   Dec-06-05 08:23 AM   #20 
           - Actually some states had flag desecration laws.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:27 AM   #21 
           - I wasn't aware of that. Appreciate the education  still_one   Dec-06-05 08:31 AM   #26 
           - Furthermore flag burning incidents discredited the anti-war movement  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:34 AM   #29 
              - Oh bullshit.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:37 AM   #32 
              - Who DO you think you're kidding?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:45 AM   #42 
              - Got any sources, links, or research backing that up?  MadHound   Dec-06-05 08:39 AM   #34 
                 - Posted one up above....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:55 AM   #48 
                    - No, again you are misreading me.  MadHound   Dec-06-05 09:15 AM   #58 
                       - Didn't misread anything....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:27 AM   #65 
                          - LOL LOL LOLOL LOL L LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!  MadHound   Dec-06-05 09:44 AM   #78 
                             - Yeah, that's right...I gave you the evidence you wanted  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:50 AM   #82 
                                - You just enjoy being deliberately obtuse, that is obvious  MadHound   Dec-06-05 10:00 AM   #89 
                                   - One last answer....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 10:25 AM   #93 
                                      - WHOOP! There it is!  MadHound   Dec-06-05 12:24 PM   #105 
                                         - Yup...and all you've got is pouting in response  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 02:49 PM   #106 
                                            - Woooh, you need to do some serious research friend  MadHound   Dec-06-05 03:06 PM   #108 
                                            - Been there, done that....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 03:15 PM   #115 
                                            - LOL, really friend, please before you embarrass yourself again  MadHound   Dec-06-05 03:36 PM   #116 
                                            - I'm not the one embarrasing himself; that would be you  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 03:53 PM   #118 
                                            - *sadly shakes head*  MadHound   Dec-06-05 04:31 PM   #120 
                                            - Says the guy who didn't know the Supreme Court reversed itself in 2003  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 04:49 PM   #122 
                                            - Good night, and thanks for the laughs  MadHound   Dec-06-05 04:54 PM   #123 
                                            - It sure as hell been a lot of laughs for me  MrBenchley   Dec-07-05 03:52 AM   #124 
           - And how did that flag burning work out back then?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:33 AM   #28 
              - I'm afraid  G_j   Dec-06-05 08:41 AM   #38 
              - I haven't confused anything...  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:00 AM   #49 
                 - are we not talking about the Constitution?  G_j   Dec-06-05 09:21 AM   #60 
                    - Was the post I responded to talking about the Constitution? No.  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:30 AM   #67 
                       - isn't that rather dishonest?  G_j   Dec-06-05 09:44 AM   #77 
                          - It's dishonest to respond to a post and discuss the issues raised there?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:51 AM   #83 
                             - that is enough game playing for me, thanks  G_j   Dec-06-05 09:53 AM   #86 
              - The antiwar movement,  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:41 AM   #39 
                 - That's the best summary I've ever read. Exactly. n/t  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 08:47 AM   #44 
                 - That IS rich....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:03 AM   #50 
                 - Yes and bravo.  Cults4Bush   Dec-06-05 10:24 AM   #92 
        - This is the type of  greyhound1966   Dec-06-05 09:51 AM   #84 
  - because it violates free speech  still_one   Dec-06-05 08:07 AM   #6 
  - Bullshit! It's provocation, pure and simple....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:10 AM   #9 
     - why do we have to CO-Sponser it?  still_one   Dec-06-05 08:13 AM   #13 
     - Why the fuck not?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:28 AM   #22 
     - then in my view he is wrong also. Even more so if it was a  still_one   Dec-06-05 08:40 AM   #35 
        - So which Democrat is FOR flag burning?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:48 AM   #45 
           - not at all  still_one   Dec-06-05 09:55 AM   #87 
     - You're right. This is the main point.  antfarm   Dec-06-05 09:22 AM   #61 
     - Political expression is constitutionally protected.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:21 AM   #19 
     - Deliberate provocation is not  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:35 AM   #30 
        - Well then off to jail with you.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 08:43 AM   #40 
     - Your boss, Al From has said the same thing about Michael Moore and ......  AntiCoup2K4   Dec-07-05 04:09 AM   #125 
  - "Congress shall make NO law abridging the freedom of speech.."  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-06-05 08:28 AM   #23 
  - Exceptions are constitutionally recognized....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 08:39 AM   #33 
     - Well, we sure wouldn't want to cause "unrest".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-06-05 08:46 AM   #43 
  - Nice to see that there are Democrats out there  MadHound   Dec-06-05 08:45 AM   #41 
  - Hey, even nicer to see that there are Democrats  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:08 AM   #54 
     - Oh please, stop with the gratuitous smears friend  MadHound   Dec-06-05 09:31 AM   #69 
        - You first...  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:43 AM   #76 
           - Tired and predictable  MadHound   Dec-06-05 09:49 AM   #80 
              - Yup. You're tired and predictable.  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:53 AM   #85 
  - How is it that you can leap into...  w13rd0   Dec-06-05 09:04 AM   #51 
  - LOL!  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:13 AM   #56 
  - Wrong because the Supreme Court ruled flag-burning...  Spider Jerusalem   Dec-06-05 03:08 PM   #109 
  - she's trying to have her cake and eat it, too  Walt Starr   Dec-06-05 08:02 AM   #2 
  - You are right on  still_one   Dec-06-05 08:08 AM   #8 
  - Kerry tried that when he voted for the $87 billion before he voted  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-06-05 08:10 AM   #10 
  - Aren't flags an alternate source of fuel?  Lubernaut   Dec-06-05 08:10 AM   #11 
  - But..but..Hillary is a 'liberal' who believes in "freedom".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-06-05 08:31 AM   #27 
  - Hilary is a dixiecrat. I was shocked when I realized it, but she is.  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 08:50 AM   #46 
     - Who DO you think you're kidding?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:15 AM   #59 
        - You have it wrong, sir.  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 09:25 AM   #63 
           - So tell us, who WERE the Dixiecrats?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:34 AM   #71 
              - I'm not copying, Mr. Benchley.  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 09:40 AM   #74 
                 - ThreaD...soemtimes typos are most unfortunate....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 09:45 AM   #79 
                    - When did you start using the Imperial "we" in our conversations?  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 10:10 AM   #90 
                       - Have somebody explain to you how a public forum works....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 10:30 AM   #94 
                          - Maybe you can decode "moving to the center" for me.  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 10:51 AM   #96 
                             - You mean you think that's some sort of mystery?  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 11:46 AM   #98 
                                - Again with the Imperial "we".  sfexpat2000   Dec-06-05 11:52 AM   #100 
                                - Neither does the average American likely favor...  KevinJ   Dec-06-05 12:00 PM   #101 
                                   - Hahahahaha....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 02:53 PM   #107 
                                      - So why is Hillary trying to get everyone riled up about it?  KevinJ   Dec-06-05 04:32 PM   #121 
  - First violence in video games, now flag burning, what's next...  godai   Dec-06-05 08:41 AM   #37 
  - As long as it includes ALL desecration ...  Drifter   Dec-06-05 09:07 AM   #53 
  - Am I missing something here? Has there been a rash of flag  malachi   Dec-06-05 09:14 AM   #57 
  - I won't provide the match or condone it  DemonFighterLives   Dec-06-05 09:43 AM   #75 
  - We have an icon for stuff like this  Hardhead   Dec-06-05 09:27 AM   #64 
  - Hasn't Bush been desecrating the flag more than anyone?  Norquist Nemesis   Dec-06-05 09:31 AM   #68 
  - Yes * has by placing brave young people beneath the flags for a war based  mod mom   Dec-06-05 09:49 AM   #81 
  - ginbarn has the right idea...  derby378   Dec-06-05 09:56 AM   #88 
  - Hillary is positioning herself centrally and those who protest  second edition   Dec-06-05 10:15 AM   #91 
  - Pandering to fascists is not 'centrist'.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 10:39 AM   #95 
  - Actually, she's creating wedge issues  KevinJ   Dec-06-05 11:49 AM   #99 
  - Uh Hillary, we have much BIGGER problems. n/t  MsConduct   Dec-06-05 11:27 AM   #97 
  - It seems to be a full time job defending Hillary and Lieberman  jsamuel   Dec-06-05 12:02 PM   #102 
  - Not really....  MrBenchley   Dec-06-05 03:08 PM   #110 
  - You know, I don't necessarily mind a dem having s few right-leaning views-  Yollam   Dec-06-05 12:06 PM   #103 
  - Thank you!  KevinJ   Dec-06-05 12:13 PM   #104 
  - Typical...  walldude   Dec-06-05 03:09 PM   #111 
  - Right on!  Swamp Rat   Dec-06-05 03:13 PM   #114 
  - Thank you for posting that.  endarkenment   Dec-06-05 03:51 PM   #117 
  - The flag isn't frozen in time. It doesn't represent a person or a policy  AZBlue   Dec-06-05 04:20 PM   #119 
  - She sounds just like *.  BuyingThyme   Dec-06-05 03:10 PM   #112 
  - she's an opportunist  rniel   Dec-06-05 03:10 PM   #113 
 

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