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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 05:30 PM
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70. Fascinating thread-- your topic brought out very insightful replies
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 05:34 PM by omega minimo
There was a definite shift in education-- and the commonly held notion of what education is for-- during the “Reagan Era.” Since that time, we have become a much more, pardon the expression, mercenary society in many ways. A nation of spectators.

The destruction of the felt notion of the public trust and commonwealth is one of the big payoffs for TPTB and one of the biggest dangers for the public, IMHO.

Allow me to echo the following from your posts:

“The corporate powers-that-be thus concluded the best ways to combat socialism are to discredit intellectuals and dilute education itself: i.e., dumbing down.
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“As the dumbing down has continued, so has the shift further to the right.
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“The sullen refusal to acknowledge our country's dire problems -- all of them products of the ongoing corporate effort to suck the entire nation down a socioeconomic black hole and spit it out as the newest Third World-style oligarchy -- is unquestionably the greatest and most ruinous of the multitude of problems we face.
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“But the vast majority of U.S. students are not educated at all: they are merely brainwashed to be compliant little corporate automatons --allowed only the most minimal knowledge and given maximal conditioning and practice in vital corporate-workplace reflexes like conformity, back-stabbing, brown-nosing, ratting out "trouble-makers" and absolute obedience to authority.”

:rofl: ...hence the mid-90’s popularity of “Who Moved My Cheese?”

Also, for those who don't feel they are "compliant little corporate autmatons" there remains the problem of the "spectator society." Many "well-educated," well-meaning folks who will sit and watch a crime or other tragedy through the window or the windshield or the sunglasses and not do anything.
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“But the fear instilled in the corporate establishment by the advent of the Counterculture brought that beneficent process to a sudden and jarring halt, and the entrance-exam scores resumed the decline that had been noted after World War II and has continued ever since the Kennedy interregnum.

:shrug: “interregnum”? I’ll have to look that up. But I can grok the CONTEXT!!!!!
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“...dumbing down is deliberate. Not only that, but U.S. mass media has been afflicted by an exactly parallel process: a further argument against the notion the process is inertial rather than deliberate. But it is probably most often deliberate in the same way the aftermath of Katrina was deliberate: the establishment of basic policies which then have (predictable) results that can nevertheless be dismissed as random.”

:evilfrown: And that dumbing-down and dangerous dis-association created the lack of American outrage over blatant genocide on TeeVee. These are the tests that Americans fail to pass over and over and over-- every subsequent time they know they can go FURTHER via MORE "basic policies which then have (predictable) results that can nevertheless be dismissed as random.”
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“Another is the near-total ignorance of celestial navigation resulting from dependence on Global Positioning Satellites (GPS) systems -- such techniques (and the principles underlying them) should be taught as an intellectual exercise even if they seem redundant.”

And one dares not bring up the possibility that a grieving bride might experience spending the night with an honor guard and the casket containing her beloved, WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF A COMPUTER (or cameras).
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  -Tests Show Boys Even More Dumbed Down Than Girls newswolf56  Dec-04-05 07:36 PM   #0 
  - We should have seen this coming in 2000...  mark11727   Dec-04-05 07:49 PM   #1 
  - Maybe This Explains Many Male * Supporters?  we can do it   Dec-04-05 07:50 PM   #2 
  - I was thinking the same thing  hollowdweller   Dec-05-05 07:15 PM   #74 
  - I asked a couple of kids about this and the girl said, "Uh-huh!"  roguevalley   Dec-04-05 07:53 PM   #3 
  - keep em dumb and they become willing canon fodder. critical  roguevalley   Dec-04-05 07:53 PM   #4 
  - I really hate having to clean that off my shoes  Spinzonner   Dec-04-05 08:14 PM   #7 
  - LOL ! (n/t)  mwb970   Dec-04-05 08:55 PM   #22 
  - LOL !!!  nicknameless   Dec-05-05 03:31 AM   #49 
  - This is not news  Yupster   Dec-04-05 08:03 PM   #5 
  - I spoke with a college professor about a week ago  justabob   Dec-04-05 08:20 PM   #10 
  - Agreed. I'm glad Governor Gregoire seems interested  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-05-05 12:25 PM   #65 
  - Has Nothing To Do With IQ, and School Testing Means Only So Much  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-04-05 08:13 PM   #6 
  - Such a charmer :) n/t  phylny   Dec-04-05 08:18 PM   #9 
  - no one is talking about the iq, except boys that have an iq of 165  seabeyond   Dec-04-05 08:30 PM   #14 
  - I agree with ya. It was just my response to an OP that seemed to want to  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-04-05 08:45 PM   #20 
  - I agree with you..  PowerToThePeople   Dec-04-05 10:32 PM   #30 
  - did your school literally have a "dishonor" roll?  Bill McBlueState   Dec-06-05 07:55 AM   #80 
     - No LOL I made it up to compete with the obnoxious honor rollers  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-06-05 03:57 PM   #81 
  - Before around 1980, girls tested better in lower grade school and then  FloridaPat   Dec-04-05 08:15 PM   #8 
  - Sports  justabob   Dec-04-05 08:27 PM   #13 
     - If you ask teachers why boys are doing so much worse  Yupster   Dec-04-05 10:48 PM   #32 
        - Doesn't Make Sense That Divorce Would Make Boys Dumber / Girls Smarter  Crisco   Dec-06-05 07:17 PM   #83 
  - Why do we always take this at face value  proud2Blib   Dec-04-05 08:24 PM   #11 
  - so what are you saying? n/t  seabeyond   Dec-04-05 08:30 PM   #15 
     - I would want to see the test  proud2Blib   Dec-04-05 08:41 PM   #19 
  - Having been a print journalist in this country since 1956...  newswolf56   Dec-04-05 08:25 PM   #12 
  - An excellent analysis, newswolf56  mitchum   Dec-04-05 08:35 PM   #17 
  - A few points...  misanthrope   Dec-04-05 09:47 PM   #26 
  - Complaints about the deterioration of U.S. public education began...  newswolf56   Dec-04-05 11:42 PM   #38 
     - I started high school in 1967  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 12:37 AM   #40 
     - Apropos the dumbing down you dismiss as "ridiculous":  newswolf56   Dec-05-05 01:49 AM   #44 
        - And how sad that one as bright as you appear to be  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 10:10 AM   #54 
           - We disagree on several points. I will address only three:  newswolf56   Dec-05-05 06:39 PM   #72 
              - What a wonderful post. Thank you. n/t  Pooka Fey   Dec-05-05 11:44 PM   #75 
     - Fascinating thread-- your topic brought out very insightful replies  omega minimo   Dec-05-05 05:30 PM   #70 
  - Is there solid data showing that kids don't know as much?  Ladyhawk   Dec-04-05 09:58 PM   #27 
  - No  AngryAmish   Dec-04-05 11:04 PM   #36 
  - Yes, definitively so. The general knowledge components of the...  newswolf56   Dec-05-05 12:17 AM   #39 
  - yes there is  rman   Dec-05-05 05:16 AM   #51 
     - Gee that site isn't the least bit  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 10:07 AM   #53 
        - does that mean the data is incorrect?  rman   Dec-05-05 11:11 AM   #57 
           - I wasn't the least bit interested in reading beyond  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 11:28 AM   #58 
              - you mean there are people who write things without having an agenda?  rman   Dec-05-05 11:43 AM   #59 
                 - With a good writer  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 11:45 AM   #60 
                    - But then there still is an agenda.  rman   Dec-05-05 11:58 AM   #62 
                       - When it is about attacking education,  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 12:06 PM   #63 
                          - pointing out the poor quality of US education is not "attacking" it  rman   Dec-05-05 12:23 PM   #64 
                             - Well I happen to know US education isn't poor  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 12:29 PM   #66 
                             - It's a RW tactic  proud2Blib   Dec-05-05 07:11 PM   #73 
                                - I used to broad a brush  rman   Dec-06-05 12:13 AM   #76 
                                   - Nowadays, local school boards don't always determine curriculum  proud2Blib   Dec-06-05 06:31 PM   #82 
  - My mom forever pointed this fact out to me  StopThePendulum   Dec-05-05 11:02 AM   #55 
  - This isn't new...  TreasonousBastard   Dec-04-05 08:32 PM   #16 
  - Here's my observation, and it may be an unpopular one. In fact, I'm sure  phylny   Dec-04-05 09:02 PM   #23 
  - I don't blame schools...  TreasonousBastard   Dec-04-05 09:25 PM   #24 
  - Yes, I learned to read at home, too. I played video games, but  Ladyhawk   Dec-04-05 10:09 PM   #28 
  - Your experiences ring true to me  senseandsensibility   Dec-04-05 09:46 PM   #25 
  - But weren't boys even more coddled 30 years ago  Yupster   Dec-04-05 10:54 PM   #34 
  - good post. i dont know that schools are dumbing down  seabeyond   Dec-04-05 10:24 PM   #29 
  - And lots of uneducated boys and young men  Yupster   Dec-04-05 10:50 PM   #33 
  - The Stress Test:  LWolf   Dec-04-05 08:40 PM   #18 
  - The sullen refusal to acknowledge our country's dire problems --  newswolf56   Dec-04-05 10:44 PM   #31 
  - Wow, newswolf, such amazing posts you've written on this thread!  kath   Dec-05-05 12:56 AM   #42 
  - Thank you very much for the compliment:  newswolf56   Dec-05-05 02:57 AM   #47 
  - The best teacher I had, had a little placard on his desk,  SoCalDem   Dec-05-05 04:31 AM   #50 
  - Perhaps, when you said this:  LWolf   Dec-05-05 06:29 AM   #52 
     - With my #72 as a preface, a reasoned response to your #52:  newswolf56   Dec-06-05 05:21 AM   #77 
        - Well, you've obviously mastered essays, lol  LWolf   Dec-06-05 07:47 AM   #78 
        - Dupe; please delete. n/t  LWolf   Dec-06-05 07:50 AM   #79 
  - Great find!  proud2Blib   Dec-04-05 10:59 PM   #35 
  - The teenage boys I know are 100% clueless.  mwb970   Dec-04-05 08:54 PM   #21 
  - As a former college professor, I didn't judge my students' intelligence by  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-04-05 11:12 PM   #37 
  - Our society is essentially raising a bunch of redneck warmongers...  Triana   Dec-05-05 12:37 AM   #41 
  - I would add that "it" also belittles teachers.  Baconfoot   Dec-05-05 01:43 AM   #43 
  - Well said. Very well said.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-05-05 12:52 PM   #68 
  - Like, what?  Swamp Rat   Dec-05-05 01:50 AM   #45 
  - Known this from my own boys... the dumbing down has been  lovuian   Dec-05-05 02:00 AM   #46 
  - Kids KNOW that their teachers' jobs are on the line, based  SoCalDem   Dec-05-05 03:21 AM   #48 
  - It has almost nothing to do with how schools teach IMO  msmcghee   Dec-05-05 11:11 AM   #56 
  - Well, the Pubs said BC taught our kids that oral sex was OK.  napi21   Dec-05-05 11:47 AM   #61 
  - Girls read more than boys. Always have, always will.  mainer   Dec-05-05 12:50 PM   #67 
  - The Dumbing down of America--the Bush years  WI_DEM   Dec-05-05 12:57 PM   #69 
  - ever since we were told to get Connected and Under Control (tm)  dusmcj   Dec-05-05 05:55 PM   #71 
 

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