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| 37. As a former college professor, I didn't judge my students' intelligence by |
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what facts they knew but by their attitude toward learning. If they had intellectual curiosity, liked to read, and sought out new and enriching experiences, I figured that nothing could hold them back.
But there were too many passive blobs, students who just wanted the highest grade possible while learning as little as possible. They didn't want to be educated; they wanted to be certified.
It was sad to hear students say, "I hate to read" or to admit that they didn't read a single book during a five-week winter break. It was discouraging to have world-class speakers and performers come to campus to perform before audiences that consisted mainly of faculty, townspeople, annoyed students whose professors required them to attend, and a very few students who were genuinely interested. They didn't want to take advantage of the affordable and accessible study abroad programs. They didn't want to associate with the foreign students. All they wanted to do was watch TV, play video games, party, or possibly spend 15-20 hours a week on sports practice.
I blame our pop culture, which has consistently belittled intellectual activity or made it seem suspect and become consistently dumber itself. The role models that are held up for boys in the mass media are either strong, violent, and non-intellectual (in the thrillers and fantasy films) or crude and callous (in the comedies).
The way boys are raised in Middle America these days reminds me of the passage about the Epsilons in Brave New World. They are the lowest caste in that hypothetical future society, and they are prevented from ever having higher ambitions by being forced to associate books (knowledge) and flowers (beauty) with painful electric shocks. We perhaps don't use electric shocks, but we use negative role models to lure boys into the "strong but dumb" mold and ridicule to keep in line those who don't conform.
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| -Tests Show Boys Even More Dumbed Down Than Girls |
newswolf56 |
Dec-04-05 07:36 PM |
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We should have seen this coming in 2000... |
mark11727 |
Dec-04-05 07:49 PM |
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Maybe This Explains Many Male * Supporters? |
we can do it |
Dec-04-05 07:50 PM |
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I was thinking the same thing |
hollowdweller |
Dec-05-05 07:15 PM |
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I asked a couple of kids about this and the girl said, "Uh-huh!" |
roguevalley |
Dec-04-05 07:53 PM |
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keep em dumb and they become willing canon fodder. critical |
roguevalley |
Dec-04-05 07:53 PM |
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I really hate having to clean that off my shoes |
Spinzonner |
Dec-04-05 08:14 PM |
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LOL ! (n/t) |
mwb970 |
Dec-04-05 08:55 PM |
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LOL !!! |
nicknameless |
Dec-05-05 03:31 AM |
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This is not news |
Yupster |
Dec-04-05 08:03 PM |
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I spoke with a college professor about a week ago |
justabob |
Dec-04-05 08:20 PM |
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Agreed. I'm glad Governor Gregoire seems interested |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-05-05 12:25 PM |
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Has Nothing To Do With IQ, and School Testing Means Only So Much |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-04-05 08:13 PM |
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Such a charmer :) n/t |
phylny |
Dec-04-05 08:18 PM |
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no one is talking about the iq, except boys that have an iq of 165 |
seabeyond |
Dec-04-05 08:30 PM |
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I agree with ya. It was just my response to an OP that seemed to want to |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-04-05 08:45 PM |
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I agree with you.. |
PowerToThePeople |
Dec-04-05 10:32 PM |
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did your school literally have a "dishonor" roll? |
Bill McBlueState |
Dec-06-05 07:55 AM |
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No LOL I made it up to compete with the obnoxious honor rollers |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-06-05 03:57 PM |
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Before around 1980, girls tested better in lower grade school and then |
FloridaPat |
Dec-04-05 08:15 PM |
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Sports |
justabob |
Dec-04-05 08:27 PM |
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If you ask teachers why boys are doing so much worse |
Yupster |
Dec-04-05 10:48 PM |
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Doesn't Make Sense That Divorce Would Make Boys Dumber / Girls Smarter |
Crisco |
Dec-06-05 07:17 PM |
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Why do we always take this at face value |
proud2Blib |
Dec-04-05 08:24 PM |
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so what are you saying? n/t |
seabeyond |
Dec-04-05 08:30 PM |
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I would want to see the test |
proud2Blib |
Dec-04-05 08:41 PM |
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Having been a print journalist in this country since 1956... |
newswolf56 |
Dec-04-05 08:25 PM |
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An excellent analysis, newswolf56 |
mitchum |
Dec-04-05 08:35 PM |
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A few points... |
misanthrope |
Dec-04-05 09:47 PM |
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Complaints about the deterioration of U.S. public education began... |
newswolf56 |
Dec-04-05 11:42 PM |
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I started high school in 1967 |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 12:37 AM |
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Apropos the dumbing down you dismiss as "ridiculous": |
newswolf56 |
Dec-05-05 01:49 AM |
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And how sad that one as bright as you appear to be |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 10:10 AM |
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We disagree on several points. I will address only three: |
newswolf56 |
Dec-05-05 06:39 PM |
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What a wonderful post. Thank you. n/t |
Pooka Fey |
Dec-05-05 11:44 PM |
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Fascinating thread-- your topic brought out very insightful replies |
omega minimo |
Dec-05-05 05:30 PM |
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Is there solid data showing that kids don't know as much? |
Ladyhawk |
Dec-04-05 09:58 PM |
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No |
AngryAmish |
Dec-04-05 11:04 PM |
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Yes, definitively so. The general knowledge components of the... |
newswolf56 |
Dec-05-05 12:17 AM |
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yes there is |
rman |
Dec-05-05 05:16 AM |
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Gee that site isn't the least bit |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 10:07 AM |
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does that mean the data is incorrect? |
rman |
Dec-05-05 11:11 AM |
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I wasn't the least bit interested in reading beyond |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 11:28 AM |
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you mean there are people who write things without having an agenda? |
rman |
Dec-05-05 11:43 AM |
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With a good writer |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 11:45 AM |
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But then there still is an agenda. |
rman |
Dec-05-05 11:58 AM |
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When it is about attacking education, |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 12:06 PM |
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pointing out the poor quality of US education is not "attacking" it |
rman |
Dec-05-05 12:23 PM |
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Well I happen to know US education isn't poor |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 12:29 PM |
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It's a RW tactic |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-05 07:11 PM |
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I used to broad a brush |
rman |
Dec-06-05 12:13 AM |
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Nowadays, local school boards don't always determine curriculum |
proud2Blib |
Dec-06-05 06:31 PM |
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My mom forever pointed this fact out to me |
StopThePendulum |
Dec-05-05 11:02 AM |
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This isn't new... |
TreasonousBastard |
Dec-04-05 08:32 PM |
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Here's my observation, and it may be an unpopular one. In fact, I'm sure |
phylny |
Dec-04-05 09:02 PM |
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I don't blame schools... |
TreasonousBastard |
Dec-04-05 09:25 PM |
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Yes, I learned to read at home, too. I played video games, but |
Ladyhawk |
Dec-04-05 10:09 PM |
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Your experiences ring true to me |
senseandsensibility |
Dec-04-05 09:46 PM |
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But weren't boys even more coddled 30 years ago |
Yupster |
Dec-04-05 10:54 PM |
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good post. i dont know that schools are dumbing down |
seabeyond |
Dec-04-05 10:24 PM |
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And lots of uneducated boys and young men |
Yupster |
Dec-04-05 10:50 PM |
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The Stress Test: |
LWolf |
Dec-04-05 08:40 PM |
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The sullen refusal to acknowledge our country's dire problems -- |
newswolf56 |
Dec-04-05 10:44 PM |
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Wow, newswolf, such amazing posts you've written on this thread! |
kath |
Dec-05-05 12:56 AM |
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Thank you very much for the compliment: |
newswolf56 |
Dec-05-05 02:57 AM |
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The best teacher I had, had a little placard on his desk, |
SoCalDem |
Dec-05-05 04:31 AM |
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Perhaps, when you said this: |
LWolf |
Dec-05-05 06:29 AM |
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With my #72 as a preface, a reasoned response to your #52: |
newswolf56 |
Dec-06-05 05:21 AM |
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Well, you've obviously mastered essays, lol |
LWolf |
Dec-06-05 07:47 AM |
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Dupe; please delete. n/t |
LWolf |
Dec-06-05 07:50 AM |
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Great find! |
proud2Blib |
Dec-04-05 10:59 PM |
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The teenage boys I know are 100% clueless. |
mwb970 |
Dec-04-05 08:54 PM |
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As a former college professor, I didn't judge my students' intelligence by |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-04-05 11:12 PM |
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Our society is essentially raising a bunch of redneck warmongers... |
Triana |
Dec-05-05 12:37 AM |
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I would add that "it" also belittles teachers. |
Baconfoot |
Dec-05-05 01:43 AM |
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Well said. Very well said. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-05-05 12:52 PM |
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Like, what? |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-05-05 01:50 AM |
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Known this from my own boys... the dumbing down has been |
lovuian |
Dec-05-05 02:00 AM |
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Kids KNOW that their teachers' jobs are on the line, based |
SoCalDem |
Dec-05-05 03:21 AM |
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It has almost nothing to do with how schools teach IMO |
msmcghee |
Dec-05-05 11:11 AM |
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Well, the Pubs said BC taught our kids that oral sex was OK. |
napi21 |
Dec-05-05 11:47 AM |
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Girls read more than boys. Always have, always will. |
mainer |
Dec-05-05 12:50 PM |
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The Dumbing down of America--the Bush years |
WI_DEM |
Dec-05-05 12:57 PM |
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ever since we were told to get Connected and Under Control (tm) |
dusmcj |
Dec-05-05 05:55 PM |
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