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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:41 AM
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24. You're basing your remarks on the rightwing propaganda produced....
...after the death of JFK to attempt to blame him for the failure of the Bay of Pigs that was planned by Nixon, Dulles, the JCS and others at least a year prior to JFK taking office. The Bay of Pigs planners had all expected Nixon to be elected president in 1960. Unlike JFK, he would have had no reservations about using the U. S. air and naval assets that had been built into the plan. The Bay of Pigs was NOT JFK's "stumble", but he took responsibility for it as any good leader in his position will do.

In 1962, JFK did not approve "Operation Northwoods", a plan put together by the ultra-right JCS. That hare-brained plan called for the use of American miltary forces to mount "terrorist" attacks on U. S. cities and blame those attacks on Cuba. Makes you think about the events of 911, doesn't it?

As to your belief that we don't know what JFK would have done about Vietnam, again, I draw your attention to the information contained in NSAM 263. People close to JFK have always stated that JFK intended to get the troops out of Vietnam. I also bring to your attention JFK's refusal to send U. S. military advisors to Laos.
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  -JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL! Octafish  Dec-02-05 09:34 AM   #0 
  - Will All Due Respect, I Am Not Entirely Sure One Way Or Other  cryingshame   Dec-02-05 09:36 AM   #1 
  - I bet there was plenty of bad intel  Yupster   Dec-02-05 09:43 AM   #6 
  - JK Galbraith: In 63, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 09:59 AM   #12 
  - I love your posts  Swamp Rat   Dec-02-05 09:37 AM   #2 
  - Plan for Victory  G_j   Dec-02-05 09:43 AM   #7 
  - Thanks. It might as well be real.  Swamp Rat   Dec-02-05 09:47 AM   #9 
  - Your Pictures are worth a Million Words.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 10:02 AM   #13 
  - Bush and Cheney got the Intel they wanted  iconoclastNYC   Dec-02-05 09:38 AM   #3 
  - Excellent point. Smirk and Sneer made sure they got the Intel they wanted.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 10:06 AM   #14 
  - JFK would never have deserted his Sailors either  BOSSHOG   Dec-02-05 09:40 AM   #4 
  - Thank you, Chief!  Octafish   Dec-02-05 10:16 AM   #19 
  - Saint JFK and Evil old LBJ  WI_DEM   Dec-02-05 09:41 AM   #5 
  - Such a great post and an interesting thread. There's been a segment  cryingshame   Dec-02-05 09:46 AM   #8 
  - Spot ON  ZombyWoof   Dec-02-05 09:47 AM   #10 
  - You raise some valid points.  H2O Man   Dec-02-05 10:08 AM   #16 
  - Evidence Says Differently  erpowers   Dec-02-05 10:18 AM   #20 
  - It doesn't appear that you bothered to read NSAM 263 included....  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-02-05 10:09 AM   #17 
  - Again I say  WI_DEM   Dec-02-05 10:19 AM   #21 
     - You're basing your remarks on the rightwing propaganda produced....  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-02-05 10:41 AM   #24 
  - Maybe Not  erpowers   Dec-02-05 10:21 AM   #22 
  - LBJ tried to make ours a better country for ALL Americans.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 11:38 AM   #26 
  - I'm right in the middle of James Bamford's "Body of Secrets"  Dr.Phool   Dec-02-05 09:48 AM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-05 03:31 PM   #27 
  - Pentagon Proposed Pretexts for Cuba Invasion in 1962  Octafish   Dec-04-05 11:18 AM   #41 
  - Somewhat Thinking No  erpowers   Dec-02-05 10:07 AM   #15 
  - Thanks, erpowers. Kennedy ordered J.K. Galbraith to talk to North Vietnam.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 03:45 PM   #29 
  - Well, there was that whole 'Bay of Pigs' thing  TayTay   Dec-02-05 10:10 AM   #18 
  - If you take a look at the people that planned the Bay of Pigs,....  Media_Lies_Daily   Dec-02-05 10:28 AM   #23 
     - Vietnam documents similar to Iraq today  Octafish   Dec-02-05 05:05 PM   #31 
  - Bush did not "fall" for anything  mnmoderatedem   Dec-02-05 10:57 AM   #25 
  - Thanks for pointing that out.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 03:35 PM   #28 
  - Vietnam Intelligence 'deliberately skewed'  Octafish   Dec-02-05 05:01 PM   #30 
     - yes, I just read this  G_j   Dec-02-05 05:53 PM   #32 
     - JFK was killed by War Party.  Octafish   Dec-02-05 09:49 PM   #35 
     - A "secret study" ? Somebody want to tell me what a "secret study" is?  shance   Dec-02-05 06:02 PM   #33 
        - "Secret study" means it was kept from the public. That's "Undemocratic."  Octafish   Dec-02-05 08:10 PM   #34 
  - interesting topic  coeur_de_lion   Dec-03-05 03:38 AM   #36 
  - Thanks for sharing, coeur_de_lion. Your dad is a good man.  Octafish   Dec-03-05 12:29 PM   #37 
     - No no, thank YOU. It was a very interesting post, and I enjoyed  coeur_de_lion   Dec-03-05 06:36 PM   #39 
  - Gotta read "The Ultimate Sacrifice"  Mika   Dec-03-05 01:29 PM   #38 
  - bush** didn't fall for phony intel, he ordered it up! nt  Blue State Native   Dec-03-05 06:41 PM   #40 

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