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Sat Dec-03-05 01:47 AM
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| 106. Do you know, or have you ever heard of Robert Bourne? I watched him die |
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on the sidewalk. I was thirteen years old, and he died in Norwalk California. One of TOOKIE'S friends killed him. Blew him nearly in half with a shotgun in fact. Walked up to him in the usual overcoat, and pulled out the gun... boom.
I grew up playing baseball with the Bourne brothers. Robert was the oldest.
Do you understand where gang warfare comes from, and what motivates it? When I was a child, I played hide and seek with Robert Bourne. He was a friend of mine. I got to watch him die because a friend of his sold dope on the wrong street corner.
I hope Tookie dies, and I hope he dies as painful death as is humanly possible.
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| -Debate: Stan Tookie Williams' Clemency (Life w/o Parole) v Execution |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 08:45 AM |
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Execute him |
Walt Starr |
Dec-02-05 08:47 AM |
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Very well said. n/t |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:39 AM |
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Capital Punishment is murder... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-02-05 08:51 AM |
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It may be murder, but it certainly cuts down recidivism severely!!! |
Village Idiot |
Dec-02-05 09:33 AM |
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Not any more than life without parole... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-02-05 09:36 AM |
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Actually, you're mistaken. Prisoners on death row are 250% more likely to |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 09:58 PM |
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That number would drop if |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:19 PM |
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Of course, an expedited process would kill more of the wrongfully accused. |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 10:34 PM |
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Wow. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:12 PM |
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What other justification for the death penalty but eye-for-an-eye? |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 11:25 PM |
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Where's the strawman? |
AngryOldDem |
Dec-03-05 11:50 AM |
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crucially important information, thank you, Czolgosz. eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:11 PM |
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thank you, SaveElmer. please email, fax and call the governor |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:45 AM |
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Again, more untruths. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:45 AM |
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I don't like CP, |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-05 02:58 PM |
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Why? |
SaveElmer |
Dec-02-05 03:04 PM |
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yes, actually, a prosecutor knowingly, premeditatedly railroading |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 03:43 PM |
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I'd argue that there is a substantial moral difference |
wixomblues |
Dec-03-05 11:54 AM |
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can we get the 4 corpses to testify at the clemency hearing? |
msongs |
Dec-02-05 08:53 AM |
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Yes, he is an expert at living a horrible life... and also an expert... |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 10:12 AM |
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Sapphire Blue... |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-05 03:03 PM |
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Thank you so much for that! |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 03:08 PM |
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hey, leave hip hop out of it. next thing you will be saying 9/11 and |
okieinpain |
Dec-02-05 11:37 AM |
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But Hip-Hop makes children shoot people! |
ContraBass Black |
Dec-02-05 11:41 AM |
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yes, yes it does. i heard it on faux news... thank you ContraBass Black! |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:35 PM |
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WELL said, okieinpain! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:23 PM |
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Murdering buggers like this is why Capital Punishment was invented. |
Village Idiot |
Dec-02-05 09:32 AM |
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aha! I always wondered why you chose that for your DU name! |
Thtwudbeme |
Dec-02-05 10:06 AM |
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We need all the information. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 09:35 AM |
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my work is to offset the bloated credence handed a prosecutor who |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:59 AM |
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The link I provided.... |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:01 AM |
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do not again imply that i do not remember the victims. the struggle for |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:36 AM |
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What does this mean? |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:40 AM |
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you know nothing of me. n/t |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 05:37 PM |
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I know that you have repeatedly |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 09:24 PM |
#61 |
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the frickin prosecutor called him and his community what - exhausted... |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:42 PM |
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I have no problem with LWOP |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:03 PM |
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"last resort." i am a fool. will not try again. goodbye. i wish you mercy. |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:20 PM |
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As expected. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:21 PM |
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of course you expect it.. that's your WHOLE *game*. |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:34 PM |
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No game here. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:03 PM |
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I am against the death penalty. |
yibbehobba |
Dec-02-05 09:35 AM |
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we work day in and day out trying to stop executions. no one is "the |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:03 AM |
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You make a few important points I'd like to address. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:37 AM |
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Yes, I have seen those many posts. It is also strange that... |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:30 PM |
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No doubts here about his guilt ... |
jarab |
Dec-02-05 09:47 AM |
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"I would rather that ten guilty go free than one innocent executed." yes! |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 03:56 PM |
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Amen |
sproutster |
Dec-02-05 09:46 PM |
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And how many new innocents will die from your release of ten... |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:36 PM |
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I'm anti-death penalty. |
dogfacedboy |
Dec-02-05 10:04 AM |
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Thank you for your strong stand against the DP. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 01:07 PM |
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I will. Thank you for the info. n/t |
dogfacedboy |
Dec-02-05 03:03 PM |
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very well said, dogfacedboy! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:54 PM |
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Life, death and Stanley “Tookie” Williams |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 10:22 AM |
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kick |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 02:04 PM |
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that is excellent, Sapphire Blue!! thank you for posting that! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:19 PM |
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His message didn't get across to his own son who murdered a young |
othermeans |
Dec-02-05 10:27 PM |
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Against Death Penalty |
Leeny |
Dec-02-05 10:37 AM |
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Poll question: Poll: I Think Tookie Deserves Clemency Because/Doesn't .... |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 01:09 PM |
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thank you for that link, SB! will do! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 05:42 PM |
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Thanks ! |
Leeny |
Dec-02-05 11:12 PM |
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excellent post and crucially important point, Leeny!! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:54 PM |
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The government should be allowed to kill NO ONE. Once you |
Dhalgren |
Dec-02-05 10:46 AM |
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agree, absolutely. thank you for that post, Dhalgren! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:19 PM |
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Life Imprisonment |
MamaBear |
Dec-02-05 11:28 AM |
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Thank you so much for your strong & insightful statement. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 11:33 AM |
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very well said, MamaBear! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:36 PM |
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from what I've seen, I say he should be put to sleep.. |
okieinpain |
Dec-02-05 11:36 AM |
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Let him live, but force him to spend the rest of his life |
tgnyc |
Dec-02-05 11:37 AM |
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He has willingly been doing that work for more than a decade. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 11:42 AM |
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thank you for the great link. please consider writing, calling the |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:00 PM |
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12/2 ** URGENT**11 Days to STOP the EXECUTION! Clemency=Life w/out Parole |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Dec-02-05 12:00 PM |
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kick... for this post!! |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 02:02 PM |
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excellent post, FrustratedDemInNC! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:14 PM |
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K & R... n/t |
Peter Frank |
Dec-02-05 12:10 PM |
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I'm against the death penalty, but if anybody deserved it, this guy does. |
RandomKoolzip |
Dec-02-05 01:17 PM |
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K... n/t |
Peter Frank |
Dec-02-05 01:35 PM |
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Stanley "Tookie" Williams: Redemption or Revenge? |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 02:49 PM |
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kick |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 03:39 PM |
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excellent! thank you, Sapphire Blue! what a great teacher you are!! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:28 PM |
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How CAN he turn his life around, IF HE DIDNT DO THE CRIME? |
Fescue4u |
Dec-02-05 03:41 PM |
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He isn't innocent and I don't believe his redemption story |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-05 06:10 PM |
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Are the gang-bangers going to riot and burn LA if he is executed? |
Freedomfried |
Dec-02-05 04:36 PM |
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That would be cool |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-05 06:09 PM |
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I heard that too actually |
sproutster |
Dec-02-05 09:37 PM |
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I wonder if Arnie will follow Republican marching orders.... |
Freedomfried |
Dec-02-05 09:53 PM |
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Who knows... I'm sure it's on someones memo |
sproutster |
Dec-02-05 10:00 PM |
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please sign the petitions: |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 05:10 PM |
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"if it was a deterrent" |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-02-05 09:46 PM |
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So much hatefulnes. Sad. Really sad. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 10:24 PM |
#77 |
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That ignore list is getting pretty big isnt it? |
Fescue4u |
Dec-02-05 10:41 PM |
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They never intended to debate in the debate thread. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:15 PM |
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Do you know, or have you ever heard of Robert Bourne? I watched him die |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-03-05 01:47 AM |
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So I bet you would really love to see him tortured, huh? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-03-05 08:31 AM |
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WARNING! |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:27 PM |
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It's no deterrent. The South accounts for 82% of executions, crime rises; |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 10:29 PM |
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"the Northeast accounts for less than 1% of executions, crime falls." |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:45 PM |
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Here's a good graph of murder rates in states w/ and w/o the death penalty |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 10:50 PM |
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thank you for these stats, Czolgosz. very important! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:22 PM |
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Life in prison without possibility of parole isn't "getting away with it" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-02-05 10:32 PM |
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And when he gets old in prison, some person will beg that he... |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:39 PM |
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You're right...the thought of getting put in jail for 50 years until you |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-02-05 10:52 PM |
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Compare that "slap on the wrist" to what he gave his victims. |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:58 PM |
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Sorry. The victims don't count! |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:16 PM |
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No, the victims count, but another killing does not bring them back. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-03-05 12:36 AM |
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Right, and eye for an eye is acceptable. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-03-05 12:35 AM |
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very well said, SemiCharmedQuark! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:01 PM |
#93 |
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Let me Summarize the "Save Tookie Campaign" |
Fescue4u |
Dec-03-05 12:22 AM |
#102 |
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911 is about Iraq ... Oh wait ... I got my spins mixed up |
sproutster |
Dec-03-05 12:44 AM |
#105 |
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Our Creator Frowns on Killing... |
Peter Frank |
Dec-03-05 04:21 AM |
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new debate thread: |
nofurylike |
Dec-03-05 11:38 AM |
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12/3 ** URGENT**10 Days to STOP the EXECUTION! Clemency=Life w/out Parole |
nofurylike |
Dec-03-05 11:41 AM |
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Pretrial investigation of a capital case is at least 3 times costlier, |
Czolgosz |
Dec-03-05 11:53 AM |
#112 |
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Locking |
LeftCoast |
Dec-03-05 11:56 AM |
#114 |
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