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Fri Dec-02-05 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #27 |
| 30. He has willingly been doing that work for more than a decade. |
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It is not work that he was forced to do. It is work that he has chosen to do in atonement for his wrongs. If allowed to live, he will continue his work by choice.
BTW, that was a good article... thanks for the link to it!
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| -Debate: Stan Tookie Williams' Clemency (Life w/o Parole) v Execution |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 08:45 AM |
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Execute him |
Walt Starr |
Dec-02-05 08:47 AM |
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Very well said. n/t |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:39 AM |
#28 |
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Capital Punishment is murder... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-02-05 08:51 AM |
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It may be murder, but it certainly cuts down recidivism severely!!! |
Village Idiot |
Dec-02-05 09:33 AM |
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Not any more than life without parole... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-02-05 09:36 AM |
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Actually, you're mistaken. Prisoners on death row are 250% more likely to |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 09:58 PM |
#69 |
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That number would drop if |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:19 PM |
#74 |
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Of course, an expedited process would kill more of the wrongfully accused. |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 10:34 PM |
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Wow. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:12 PM |
#96 |
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What other justification for the death penalty but eye-for-an-eye? |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 11:25 PM |
#101 |
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Where's the strawman? |
AngryOldDem |
Dec-03-05 11:50 AM |
#111 |
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crucially important information, thank you, Czolgosz. eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:11 PM |
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thank you, SaveElmer. please email, fax and call the governor |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:45 AM |
#19 |
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Again, more untruths. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:45 AM |
#31 |
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I don't like CP, |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-05 02:58 PM |
#41 |
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Why? |
SaveElmer |
Dec-02-05 03:04 PM |
#44 |
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yes, actually, a prosecutor knowingly, premeditatedly railroading |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 03:43 PM |
#48 |
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I'd argue that there is a substantial moral difference |
wixomblues |
Dec-03-05 11:54 AM |
#113 |
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can we get the 4 corpses to testify at the clemency hearing? |
msongs |
Dec-02-05 08:53 AM |
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Yes, he is an expert at living a horrible life... and also an expert... |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 10:12 AM |
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Sapphire Blue... |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-05 03:03 PM |
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Thank you so much for that! |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 03:08 PM |
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hey, leave hip hop out of it. next thing you will be saying 9/11 and |
okieinpain |
Dec-02-05 11:37 AM |
#26 |
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But Hip-Hop makes children shoot people! |
ContraBass Black |
Dec-02-05 11:41 AM |
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yes, yes it does. i heard it on faux news... thank you ContraBass Black! |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:35 PM |
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WELL said, okieinpain! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:23 PM |
#51 |
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Murdering buggers like this is why Capital Punishment was invented. |
Village Idiot |
Dec-02-05 09:32 AM |
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aha! I always wondered why you chose that for your DU name! |
Thtwudbeme |
Dec-02-05 10:06 AM |
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We need all the information. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 09:35 AM |
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my work is to offset the bloated credence handed a prosecutor who |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:59 AM |
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The link I provided.... |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:01 AM |
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do not again imply that i do not remember the victims. the struggle for |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:36 AM |
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What does this mean? |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:40 AM |
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you know nothing of me. n/t |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 05:37 PM |
#56 |
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I know that you have repeatedly |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 09:24 PM |
#61 |
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the frickin prosecutor called him and his community what - exhausted... |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:42 PM |
#64 |
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I have no problem with LWOP |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:03 PM |
#72 |
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"last resort." i am a fool. will not try again. goodbye. i wish you mercy. |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:20 PM |
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As expected. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:21 PM |
#76 |
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of course you expect it.. that's your WHOLE *game*. |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:34 PM |
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No game here. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:03 PM |
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I am against the death penalty. |
yibbehobba |
Dec-02-05 09:35 AM |
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we work day in and day out trying to stop executions. no one is "the |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:03 AM |
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You make a few important points I'd like to address. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:37 AM |
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Yes, I have seen those many posts. It is also strange that... |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:30 PM |
#82 |
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No doubts here about his guilt ... |
jarab |
Dec-02-05 09:47 AM |
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"I would rather that ten guilty go free than one innocent executed." yes! |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 03:56 PM |
#49 |
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Amen |
sproutster |
Dec-02-05 09:46 PM |
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And how many new innocents will die from your release of ten... |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:36 PM |
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I'm anti-death penalty. |
dogfacedboy |
Dec-02-05 10:04 AM |
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Thank you for your strong stand against the DP. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 01:07 PM |
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I will. Thank you for the info. n/t |
dogfacedboy |
Dec-02-05 03:03 PM |
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very well said, dogfacedboy! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:54 PM |
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Life, death and Stanley “Tookie” Williams |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 10:22 AM |
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kick |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 02:04 PM |
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that is excellent, Sapphire Blue!! thank you for posting that! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:19 PM |
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His message didn't get across to his own son who murdered a young |
othermeans |
Dec-02-05 10:27 PM |
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Against Death Penalty |
Leeny |
Dec-02-05 10:37 AM |
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Poll question: Poll: I Think Tookie Deserves Clemency Because/Doesn't .... |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 01:09 PM |
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thank you for that link, SB! will do! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 05:42 PM |
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Thanks ! |
Leeny |
Dec-02-05 11:12 PM |
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excellent post and crucially important point, Leeny!! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 04:54 PM |
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The government should be allowed to kill NO ONE. Once you |
Dhalgren |
Dec-02-05 10:46 AM |
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agree, absolutely. thank you for that post, Dhalgren! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:19 PM |
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Life Imprisonment |
MamaBear |
Dec-02-05 11:28 AM |
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Thank you so much for your strong & insightful statement. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 11:33 AM |
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very well said, MamaBear! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 09:36 PM |
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from what I've seen, I say he should be put to sleep.. |
okieinpain |
Dec-02-05 11:36 AM |
#24 |
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Let him live, but force him to spend the rest of his life |
tgnyc |
Dec-02-05 11:37 AM |
#27 |
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He has willingly been doing that work for more than a decade. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 11:42 AM |
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thank you for the great link. please consider writing, calling the |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:00 PM |
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12/2 ** URGENT**11 Days to STOP the EXECUTION! Clemency=Life w/out Parole |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Dec-02-05 12:00 PM |
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kick... for this post!! |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 02:02 PM |
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excellent post, FrustratedDemInNC! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:14 PM |
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K & R... n/t |
Peter Frank |
Dec-02-05 12:10 PM |
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I'm against the death penalty, but if anybody deserved it, this guy does. |
RandomKoolzip |
Dec-02-05 01:17 PM |
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K... n/t |
Peter Frank |
Dec-02-05 01:35 PM |
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Stanley "Tookie" Williams: Redemption or Revenge? |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 02:49 PM |
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kick |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 03:39 PM |
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excellent! thank you, Sapphire Blue! what a great teacher you are!! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:28 PM |
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How CAN he turn his life around, IF HE DIDNT DO THE CRIME? |
Fescue4u |
Dec-02-05 03:41 PM |
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He isn't innocent and I don't believe his redemption story |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-05 06:10 PM |
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Are the gang-bangers going to riot and burn LA if he is executed? |
Freedomfried |
Dec-02-05 04:36 PM |
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That would be cool |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-05 06:09 PM |
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I heard that too actually |
sproutster |
Dec-02-05 09:37 PM |
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I wonder if Arnie will follow Republican marching orders.... |
Freedomfried |
Dec-02-05 09:53 PM |
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Who knows... I'm sure it's on someones memo |
sproutster |
Dec-02-05 10:00 PM |
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please sign the petitions: |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 05:10 PM |
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"if it was a deterrent" |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-02-05 09:46 PM |
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So much hatefulnes. Sad. Really sad. |
Sapphire Blue |
Dec-02-05 10:24 PM |
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That ignore list is getting pretty big isnt it? |
Fescue4u |
Dec-02-05 10:41 PM |
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They never intended to debate in the debate thread. |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:15 PM |
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Do you know, or have you ever heard of Robert Bourne? I watched him die |
cherokeeprogressive |
Dec-03-05 01:47 AM |
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So I bet you would really love to see him tortured, huh? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-03-05 08:31 AM |
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WARNING! |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 10:27 PM |
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It's no deterrent. The South accounts for 82% of executions, crime rises; |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 10:29 PM |
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"the Northeast accounts for less than 1% of executions, crime falls." |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 10:45 PM |
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Here's a good graph of murder rates in states w/ and w/o the death penalty |
Czolgosz |
Dec-02-05 10:50 PM |
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thank you for these stats, Czolgosz. very important! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:22 PM |
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Life in prison without possibility of parole isn't "getting away with it" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-02-05 10:32 PM |
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And when he gets old in prison, some person will beg that he... |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:39 PM |
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You're right...the thought of getting put in jail for 50 years until you |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-02-05 10:52 PM |
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Compare that "slap on the wrist" to what he gave his victims. |
Silverhair |
Dec-02-05 10:58 PM |
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Sorry. The victims don't count! |
hiaasenrocks |
Dec-02-05 11:16 PM |
#99 |
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No, the victims count, but another killing does not bring them back. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-03-05 12:36 AM |
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Right, and eye for an eye is acceptable. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-03-05 12:35 AM |
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very well said, SemiCharmedQuark! thank you! eom |
nofurylike |
Dec-02-05 11:01 PM |
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Let me Summarize the "Save Tookie Campaign" |
Fescue4u |
Dec-03-05 12:22 AM |
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911 is about Iraq ... Oh wait ... I got my spins mixed up |
sproutster |
Dec-03-05 12:44 AM |
#105 |
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Our Creator Frowns on Killing... |
Peter Frank |
Dec-03-05 04:21 AM |
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new debate thread: |
nofurylike |
Dec-03-05 11:38 AM |
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12/3 ** URGENT**10 Days to STOP the EXECUTION! Clemency=Life w/out Parole |
nofurylike |
Dec-03-05 11:41 AM |
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Pretrial investigation of a capital case is at least 3 times costlier, |
Czolgosz |
Dec-03-05 11:53 AM |
#112 |
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Locking |
LeftCoast |
Dec-03-05 11:56 AM |
#114 |
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