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truthnproof Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:39 PM
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51. Then, Allow Me

And so by means of careful preparation in the diplomatic field, among others, the PNAC conspirators had woven a position for themselves, so that they could seriously consider plans for war and begin to outline time tables, not binding time tables and not specific ones in terms of months and days, but still general time tables, in terms of years, which were the necessary foundation for further aggressive planning, and a spur to more specific planning.

And that time table was developed, as the Tribunal has already seen, was founded in 1997, contained in our Document Number 386-PS, Exhibit USA-25, the minutes of that conference, which I adverted to in detail on Monday last.

In those minutes, we see the crystallization of the plan to wage aggressive war in in the Middle East, and to seize both Iraq and Iran, and in that order.

U.S. Prosecutor
PNAC Trial Proceedings Vol. II
November 30, 2005
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  -FOCUS: Just Planning War of Aggression IS A War Crime understandinglife  Nov-29-05 11:53 PM   #0 
  - Nominated.  Syncronaut Seven   Nov-29-05 11:55 PM   #1 
  - Nominated.  ClassWarrior   Nov-29-05 11:58 PM   #2 
  - Impeach and remove...  Independent_Liberal   Nov-29-05 11:59 PM   #3 
  - Great Find... Just one thought  berni_mccoy   Nov-30-05 12:09 AM   #4 
  - Yes. I think one begins here:  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 02:08 AM   #12 
     - And, then one goes to "The Left Coaster" for an extensive series on:  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 02:33 AM   #13 
        - WMDgate: Fixing Intelligence Around Policy: The Pathological Condi Rice  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 06:09 PM   #54 
        - Niger Forgeries Update at 'the left coaster':  understandinglife   Dec-01-05 02:41 PM   #76 
  - Is voting for it also a war crime... or at least a moral crime?  Tom Joad   Nov-30-05 12:27 AM   #5 
  - Good question. Given how much information intelligence professionals ..  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 02:50 AM   #18 
  - GREAT question  helderheid   Nov-30-05 12:50 PM   #41 
  - UL: Here's some hard evidence. Powell's Military Assistant  autorank   Nov-30-05 12:32 AM   #6 
  - kick  Swamp Rat   Nov-30-05 01:36 AM   #10 
  - Damn, that green guy is the last face i'll see before going to bed!  autorank   Nov-30-05 02:40 AM   #15 
     - NOOO! Sorry sorry sorry!!! Look at this!!!  Swamp Rat   Nov-30-05 02:42 AM   #16 
        - SR and autorank ... thanks for the images and fun!!  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 02:53 AM   #20 
  - Agreed.  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 01:38 AM   #11 
  - What strikes me in this article though, is that Wilkerson is deflecting  mod mom   Nov-30-05 08:07 AM   #27 
     - That's why the get the "big bucks" -- Cheney and Rummy  autorank   Nov-30-05 09:11 AM   #30 
  - PNAC is the prefix to the CHARGES of War Crimes  Ouabache   Nov-30-05 12:38 AM   #7 
  - collective security...kinda has a ring to it, doncha think?  nashville_brook   Nov-30-05 12:41 AM   #8 
  - nominated...  petersond   Nov-30-05 01:33 AM   #9 
  - What took place in Fallujah  Blue_In_AK   Nov-30-05 02:39 AM   #14 
  - Agreed. Their actions are vastly criminal. My only point is that ...  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 02:47 AM   #17 
     - I agree absolutely...  Blue_In_AK   Nov-30-05 02:51 AM   #19 
  - Sent the link to both Senator Kerry and Senator Reed and suggested ...  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 03:17 AM   #21 
  - Sent you some additional contacts within their office.  mod mom   Nov-30-05 08:49 AM   #29 
     - Much thanks. I've forwarded the info to those individuals. And, ....  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 12:51 PM   #42 
  - Never Again!  ClayZ   Nov-30-05 03:19 AM   #22 
  - too true  stellanoir   Nov-30-05 03:41 AM   #23 
  - An important point that they will try to bury. K & N. n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Nov-30-05 04:38 AM   #24 
  - YES TRIBUNAL FOR WAR CRIMES  zippy890   Nov-30-05 05:06 AM   #25 
  - It sure is  Solly Mack   Nov-30-05 05:07 AM   #26 
  - kick  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-05 08:25 AM   #28 
  - The American War Crimes Tribunal: A step towards "never again"  troubleinwinter   Nov-30-05 09:34 AM   #31 
  - Yes. It is the first step on the path we must take if we are truly America  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 10:44 AM   #33 
  - To the Hague NOW!!! k&n  In Truth We Trust   Nov-30-05 10:00 AM   #32 
  - All the evidence is out there in plain sight  Clara T   Nov-30-05 10:50 AM   #34 
  - "They" may be US.  enough   Nov-30-05 08:23 PM   #63 
  - More evidence for the prosecution:  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 11:19 AM   #35 
  - More evidence: "Torture, Rape, and Murder, a timeline in headlines"  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 11:43 AM   #36 
     - Excellent timeline of war crimes. I have never been able to figure  mod mom   Nov-30-05 12:19 PM   #37 
     - L Johnson: How Rummy Greenlighted Abu Ghraib  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 12:42 PM   #39 
     - Laura Rozen: "European investigations of CIA "black site" prisons and ...  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 12:50 PM   #40 
     - ""The mood in Europe is one of increasing concern over what people call  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 01:27 PM   #44 
  - The enormity and brazenness of the crimes make it difficult to even  bleever   Nov-30-05 12:38 PM   #38 
  - DemFromCT: "So we'll train Shi'a forces (with no loyalty to the state) and  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 01:17 PM   #43 
  - "It wouldn't seem possible that the president would continue to lie to us  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 01:45 PM   #45 
  - The Guardian: Iraq Misses Deadline on Torture Probe  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 03:53 PM   #47 
     - It saddens me to think of the poor Iraqi people being delivered from  mod mom   Nov-30-05 04:34 PM   #48 
  - Thanks everyone for these links  DemReadingDU   Nov-30-05 03:13 PM   #46 
  - "Costly Withdrawal Is the Price To Be Paid for a Foolish War"  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 04:38 PM   #49 
  - "On the one hand, given that were supporting torture, death squads ...  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 06:05 PM   #53 
  - Norman Horowitz: "We used to be the good guys, but not so any more."  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 06:58 PM   #57 
  - You have made the single most important point that can be made  enough   Nov-30-05 05:25 PM   #50 
  - Then, Allow Me  truthnproof   Nov-30-05 05:39 PM   #51 
     - " ... and to seize Iraq, Syria, and Iran, and in that order."  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 05:47 PM   #52 
        - Syria: American operations have spilled over the border (NYT 10/15)  mod mom   Nov-30-05 06:24 PM   #55 
        - Indeed. And, Arkin's "Wag the Damascus?" article is quite informative ...  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 07:04 PM   #59 
        - On Iran: State Dept official attacks Iran's President. Laying the ground  mod mom   Nov-30-05 06:51 PM   #56 
  - We the people  bonito   Nov-30-05 07:00 PM   #58 
  - Lebensraum = OIL.  Hubert Flottz   Nov-30-05 07:14 PM   #60 
  - Your equation is almost perfect. I suggest Lebensraum = Oil+Water+Strike  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 09:21 PM   #65 
     - Thanks for the links...  Hubert Flottz   Dec-01-05 06:40 AM   #69 
  - excellent  hiley   Nov-30-05 07:17 PM   #61 
  - Hopefully some day  Time for change   Nov-30-05 08:01 PM   #62 
  - Kicking, in admiration and appreciation for this great work.  bleever   Nov-30-05 09:06 PM   #64 
  - We must do this...  Mr_Jefferson_24   Nov-30-05 09:58 PM   #66 
  - DU Activist Proposal: American War Crimes Tribunal  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 10:41 PM   #67 
  - Tribunal already meeting:  hippywife   Dec-01-05 06:34 AM   #68 
  - Based on reading the Charter for this commission and reviewing ..  understandinglife   Dec-01-05 12:55 PM   #70 
  - I agree. I had not heard of this and am glad that it is under way. We  mod mom   Dec-01-05 01:30 PM   #71 
  - yes  hiley   Dec-01-05 01:43 PM   #73 
  - Yes I agree, UL, but  troubleinwinter   Dec-01-05 01:49 PM   #74 
  - I agree. And, I have already emailed them a link to that entire thread ...  understandinglife   Dec-01-05 01:56 PM   #75 
  - I fully agree  hippywife   Dec-01-05 05:30 PM   #77 
     - My message to the "Bush Crimes Commission":  understandinglife   Dec-01-05 07:34 PM   #78 
        - Sounds really good!  hippywife   Dec-01-05 07:40 PM   #79 
  - thanks  hiley   Dec-01-05 01:42 PM   #72 
  - Larry Beinhart at HuffPo: Judgment at Nuremberg III  understandinglife   Dec-02-05 02:08 PM   #80 

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