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caelestissurf Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 06:46 PM
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9. I'm sure this will be unpopular
But we know next to nothing about the nature of the video. In what I'm sure will label me a freeptard, I'm not going to jump to conclusions about why they were shooting.

Having spent a year in Iraq and been in too many convoys to remember myself, we shot at vehicles that got too close to us all the time. WHY? Because it's a popular trick for insurgents to use a vehicle as a VBIED, and the ubiquitous white and orange taxicabs are the most prevelant kind. If it's proven these guys shot for the hell of it, fry them any way we can, if not, I'm not going to judge someone that did something I did when I thought my life was in danger.

P.S. Not that it matters, but the voices on the video are british, the radio voice sounds American, but the vehicle voices sound Brit.
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  -shit. contractor trophy video of civilians being shot at in Iraq GloriaSmith  Nov-27-05 05:27 PM   #0 
  - Jeeezus frigging Christ......... put this MFer on the news and ask the  4MoronicYears   Nov-27-05 05:35 PM   #1 
  - They probably wouldn't care  FreedomAngel82   Nov-27-05 05:42 PM   #4 
  - They would be right. It IS terrorists!  AntiCoup2K4   Nov-27-05 07:39 PM   #29 
  - I'm sure this will be unpopular  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 06:46 PM   #9 
     - Point well taken and welcome to DU. Sorry to hear you had to  4MoronicYears   Nov-27-05 06:48 PM   #10 
     - IWell to be honest  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 06:58 PM   #12 
        - Sorry to say that I can see that is a truism... sorry to say.  4MoronicYears   Nov-27-05 07:03 PM   #13 
        - Why would immediate withdrawl be the disaster of our lifetimes?  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 08:00 PM   #40 
           - Redeployment over the horizion is  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:07 PM   #43 
              - Permanent presence is precisely what BushCO/neoconsters sought,...  Just Me   Nov-27-05 08:33 PM   #49 
              - And our redeployment  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:37 PM   #51 
                 - "I would suck our country dry to keep peace in the greater middle east" ?!  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 08:56 PM   #66 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-05 09:03 PM   #70 
                    - So its our responsibility to "free" Iraq? And if I disagree I'm fearful?  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 09:06 PM   #75 
                       - Not at all  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:12 PM   #81 
                       - I'll answer that: you are a pragmatic who seeks global stabilization,...  Just Me   Nov-27-05 09:17 PM   #88 
                          - That sounds  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:29 PM   #100 
                             - May I recommend,....  Just Me   Nov-27-05 09:50 PM   #115 
                 - I simply disagree with your assessment. "WE" are the ones on the,...  Just Me   Nov-27-05 08:57 PM   #67 
                 - Exactly who  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:05 PM   #73 
                    - WE are engaging the M.E. and all those tied to them,...  Just Me   Nov-27-05 09:12 PM   #79 
                       - Yep  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:13 PM   #83 
                          - Yep. I oppose those who fail to ACCEPT the bigger picture, as well.  Just Me   Nov-27-05 09:22 PM   #93 
                             - It has to do with both  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:27 PM   #97 
                                - Be more specific. What do you mean "ignore reality"?  Just Me   Nov-27-05 09:59 PM   #122 
                 - Over the Horizon is about being unseen, but ready to stamp down  DS1   Nov-28-05 10:51 AM   #162 
              - Permanent bases In Iraq? In case we have to go back in? I have a question-  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 08:40 PM   #53 
              - I can answer your questions  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:51 PM   #59 
              - I'm an 11B too ... what battalions you been in?  tabasco   Nov-27-05 09:03 PM   #71 
              - Before my injury  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:11 PM   #78 
              - You called for permanent bases, my friend - its why you didn't like Murtha  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 09:10 PM   #77 
                 - All the bases we have now  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:14 PM   #84 
                    - ,...and those bases would be?  Just Me   Nov-27-05 09:40 PM   #107 
                    - but you just said the opposite of that, right here:  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 09:41 PM   #108 
              - Please don't do this...  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 09:08 PM   #76 
                 - I'm simply asking questions, and I'm sure it was expected by the poster.  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 09:13 PM   #82 
                 - Yes you have  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:15 PM   #86 
                 - You clearly have not been rude...  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 09:16 PM   #87 
                 - Don't worry gal  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:15 PM   #85 
                 - Don't say that...  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 09:21 PM   #91 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-05 09:26 PM   #95 
                       - Yes, it will speak volumes...  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 09:30 PM   #102 
                          - Thanks again  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:35 PM   #105 
                 - what? civilians have no say? isn't that "Unamerican"?  mitchtv   Nov-27-05 09:47 PM   #113 
                    - I thought I heard tinfoil theory also thrown out.  helderheid   Nov-28-05 02:53 PM   #172 
              - Apparently, though, you WERE a freeptard of some stripe  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 09:45 PM   #111 
              - Why was he a freep?  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 09:48 PM   #114 
                 - See below.  i have issues   Nov-27-05 09:50 PM   #116 
                 - Pro Iraq invason/occupation, pro perm bases, pro sucking America dry  Skip Intro   Nov-27-05 10:03 PM   #124 
                 - Yes..yes..  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 10:05 PM   #126 
                 - Oh hon.  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 10:11 PM   #131 
                    - Thanks Bouncy..  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 10:17 PM   #137 
                 - Also pro war crimes  notsodumbhillbilly   Nov-27-05 10:07 PM   #127 
                 - So you didn't check out the link to his blog at the bottom of this thread?  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 10:07 PM   #128 
              - The chimperor has put us in a no win situation. We're damned if  Kahuna   Nov-28-05 06:25 AM   #149 
     - What were your rules of engagement?  The Stranger   Nov-28-05 08:34 AM   #154 
  - We did  spindrifter   Nov-27-05 05:37 PM   #2 
  - Someone post this on Daily Kos....  shawnwasson   Nov-27-05 05:39 PM   #3 
  - They need to look at the Brookings Institution  spindrifter   Nov-27-05 05:53 PM   #6 
  - Thank you. n/t  Poll_Blind   Nov-27-05 05:46 PM   #5 
  - video here too - in Flash 8 and WMV download  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 05:57 PM   #7 
  - Now Iraq  Turbineguy   Nov-27-05 06:00 PM   #8 
  - Send this to EVERY NEWS OUTLET as soon as possible...  ReverendDeuce   Nov-27-05 06:51 PM   #11 
  - What needs to be seen???  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:09 PM   #14 
     - "all of my friends came home and that is all I cared about"  bvar22   Nov-27-05 07:24 PM   #18 
     - I wasn't there to do that  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:28 PM   #22 
     - Well  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 08:26 PM   #45 
        - It's funny  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:35 PM   #50 
           - Thing is  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 08:49 PM   #58 
              - Yes they are  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:59 PM   #68 
                 - Well, I don't know  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 09:23 PM   #94 
  - So what is the point?  proud2Blib   Nov-27-05 07:16 PM   #15 
  - Exactly!  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 07:23 PM   #17 
  - video found on contractors' website  Cocoa   Nov-27-05 07:34 PM   #26 
  - That's still no proof...  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 07:39 PM   #28 
  - I agree it's not proof  Cocoa   Nov-27-05 07:42 PM   #32 
  - Okay that explains where it came from  proud2Blib   Nov-27-05 07:54 PM   #36 
  - Why don't you read the article?  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 08:29 PM   #48 
     - I did read the article  proud2Blib   Nov-27-05 08:40 PM   #54 
        - The proof of what?  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 08:54 PM   #62 
           - I tend to give this post here  proud2Blib   Nov-27-05 08:59 PM   #69 
           - Why sure...  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 09:28 PM   #98 
              - Who am I defending?  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:32 PM   #103 
                 - Well....  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 09:46 PM   #112 
           - Actually  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:20 PM   #90 
  - If this isn't a clear cut case of  jimshoes   Nov-27-05 07:21 PM   #16 
  - How is it a clear cut case?  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:26 PM   #19 
  - Hey my mistake  jimshoes   Nov-27-05 07:40 PM   #30 
     - Yes we did  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:56 PM   #38 
        - I can't help but notice  jimshoes   Nov-27-05 08:24 PM   #44 
           - Actually  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:28 PM   #46 
              - Well, I hope they didn't have to  jimshoes   Nov-27-05 08:51 PM   #60 
                 - But that's the thing  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:56 PM   #65 
                    - Question...  jimshoes   Nov-27-05 09:12 PM   #80 
                       - It sounds like  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:22 PM   #92 
                          - If you were to hazard a guess  jimshoes   Nov-27-05 09:43 PM   #109 
  - How is it "clear-cut"?  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 07:26 PM   #20 
     - Thanks Texasgal  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:30 PM   #23 
        - No need to Thank me.,.  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 07:36 PM   #27 
           - Don't be sorry  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:51 PM   #33 
  - How do they report these incidents?  Aimah   Nov-27-05 07:27 PM   #21 
  - It would be hard to do  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:32 PM   #24 
     - How do you know they know who attacked them?  Aimah   Nov-27-05 07:40 PM   #31 
        - That's an easy one champ  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:51 PM   #34 
           - I'll have to look at the tape again.  Aimah   Nov-27-05 08:02 PM   #42 
  - I can't imagine why those people of Fallujah did such a terrible thing  berni_mccoy   Nov-27-05 07:32 PM   #25 
  - Neither can I  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:52 PM   #35 
     - I'm not judging anyone... in fact, I'm showing how it's wrong to judge the  berni_mccoy   Nov-27-05 07:54 PM   #37 
        - As a OIF veteran  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 07:58 PM   #39 
           - Awww...  sproutster   Nov-27-05 08:29 PM   #47 
              - LOL  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:39 PM   #52 
  - If you watched closely, you could see the warning flash-bangs going out of  Freedomfried   Nov-27-05 08:01 PM   #41 
  - I hate to be a wet blanket  MadisonProgressive   Nov-27-05 08:41 PM   #55 
  - Kinda eerie watching cars drive on as they slaughter innocent  Rex   Nov-27-05 08:46 PM   #56 
  - Very similar to what was shown on Frontline.  i have issues   Nov-27-05 08:48 PM   #57 
  - I was there  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 08:52 PM   #61 
  - There is the wee little question about the use of White Phosphorus...  i have issues   Nov-27-05 09:06 PM   #74 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-05 09:17 PM   #89 
     - Umm...  i have issues   Nov-27-05 09:30 PM   #101 
        - I don't ask anyone  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:33 PM   #104 
           - Sorry pal,  i have issues   Nov-27-05 09:44 PM   #110 
  - Debating the "finer points" of a fucking massacre is precisely,...  Just Me   Nov-27-05 10:11 PM   #132 
  - What gives those people in the car the right to kill indescriminatly?  Rex   Nov-27-05 08:54 PM   #63 
     - There are rules to a war zone  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:04 PM   #72 
        - War did its job on you.  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 09:55 PM   #119 
        - When he said, earlier in the thread, that he would rather see America  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-28-05 07:40 AM   #151 
        - There are rules in a war zone called ROEs  Rex   Nov-27-05 10:48 PM   #140 
  - These evil beings walk the streets of America.  Gregorian   Nov-27-05 08:55 PM   #64 
  - God, what is wrong with these people  adarling   Nov-27-05 09:26 PM   #96 
  - wrong with what people?  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:28 PM   #99 
  - By the way  caelestissurf   Nov-27-05 09:36 PM   #106 
  - Hey, look at this link  tkmorris   Nov-27-05 09:53 PM   #117 
     - He's already gone,  notsodumbhillbilly   Nov-27-05 09:55 PM   #118 
     - Excellent catch!  i have issues   Nov-27-05 09:56 PM   #120 
     - Me too  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 09:58 PM   #121 
        - Caelestis  dutchdemocrat   Nov-27-05 10:01 PM   #123 
        - Shit...  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 10:04 PM   #125 
           - Don't feel too bad  tkmorris   Nov-27-05 10:09 PM   #130 
              - Yep.  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 10:13 PM   #133 
              - I guess I was more foucused on the  Texasgal   Nov-27-05 10:14 PM   #135 
                 - You stop that right now!  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 10:17 PM   #136 
     - how did you figure out they were the same guy?  helderheid   Nov-28-05 03:04 PM   #173 
  - Mercs are pieces of fucking shit... all of them  BigMcLargehuge   Nov-27-05 10:08 PM   #129 
  - Hear, hear.  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 10:14 PM   #134 
  - Amen! n/t  Poll_Blind   Nov-27-05 11:51 PM   #142 
  - Is this appropriate?  HardWorkingDem   Nov-27-05 11:54 PM   #143 
  - Are you going to defend mercenaries?  Bouncy Ball   Nov-28-05 08:11 AM   #152 
     - What is your definition of a mercenary?  HardWorkingDem   Nov-28-05 10:16 AM   #157 
        - How about Webster's definition  BigMcLargehuge   Nov-28-05 01:15 PM   #170 
  - yep!  leftchick   Nov-28-05 05:20 AM   #147 
  - After reading all of this  DemonFighterLives   Nov-28-05 07:34 AM   #150 
  - It looks so damn random.  Bouncy Ball   Nov-27-05 10:21 PM   #138 
  - OMG! What is this crap? How do we let this happen? n/t  freedomburn   Nov-27-05 10:41 PM   #139 
  - Two victims (graphic)  George Oilwellian   Nov-27-05 11:18 PM   #141 
  - Even if he was a "freeper" he made some valid points...  HardWorkingDem   Nov-27-05 11:57 PM   #144 
  - Yeah, his points about  Bouncy Ball   Nov-28-05 08:15 AM   #153 
     - Context is all....  HardWorkingDem   Nov-28-05 10:08 AM   #156 
        - You know what I see on the video?  Bouncy Ball   Nov-28-05 05:59 PM   #174 
           - Well, I don't see that....  HardWorkingDem   Nov-29-05 12:55 AM   #178 
  - Tim Spicers World  George Oilwellian   Nov-28-05 12:33 AM   #145 
  - They liberated them.  BikeWriter   Nov-28-05 12:41 AM   #146 
  - our Tax Dollars at work! Aren't you proud??  leftchick   Nov-28-05 05:25 AM   #148 
  - We're looking at the future here in the US, if we don't prosecute this and  leveymg   Nov-28-05 09:27 AM   #155 
  - What exactly do you know about this video?  HardWorkingDem   Nov-28-05 10:20 AM   #158 
     - What I see is several cars being shot at, some of them approaching fast  leveymg   Nov-28-05 10:33 AM   #159 
     - This is why more information is needed...  HardWorkingDem   Nov-28-05 10:40 AM   #160 
        - Agreed - this needs to be investigated by CID and/or FBI  leveymg   Nov-28-05 10:49 AM   #161 
           - Agree too...  HardWorkingDem   Nov-28-05 12:43 PM   #167 
     - Nice try. You just did defend it.  izzybeans   Nov-28-05 11:11 AM   #164 
        - Have you ever been in combat? A fight for your life? Or anything...  HardWorkingDem   Nov-28-05 12:38 PM   #166 
           - There was no combat in that video.  izzybeans   Nov-28-05 01:12 PM   #169 
              - I hope that...  HardWorkingDem   Nov-29-05 12:41 AM   #176 
                 - Contracters are non-combatants. period.  izzybeans   Nov-29-05 10:06 AM   #179 
                    - Tired of accusations....  HardWorkingDem   Nov-29-05 10:24 AM   #180 
  - They were baiting people. Throwing up warning flares, speeding  izzybeans   Nov-28-05 11:10 AM   #163 
  - How is this going to be prosecuted?  Gregorian   Nov-28-05 11:49 AM   #165 
  - Wha is the mindset of these ELVIS fans?  tomreedtoon   Nov-28-05 12:53 PM   #168 
  - Someone needs to be on trial for this, Jesus Christ man...  Nimrod2005   Nov-28-05 01:24 PM   #171 
  - It is really hard to see this in any other light  atfqn   Nov-28-05 06:21 PM   #175 
     - Tactics, tactics, tactics...  HardWorkingDem   Nov-29-05 12:50 AM   #177 
 

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