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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:04 PM
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37. Examples=excuses.
Example: Kidnapper steals child. Kidnapper gets caught and admits stealing kid, but says that the kid will be dead "shortly" and they'll never find the body. In this situation, guilt has been admitted and the life of an innocent victim may be ended if the information isn't quickly extracted.

--If he admitted it, says kid will be dead shortly... why do you think he would be asking to be tortured to tell?? Sounds like he wants a deal. But nope, let's torture him, follow his answer, find out he lied the first time, and told truth second time - kid dead, parents happy? Better yet, did he really kidnap her? Or was he an easy suspect? Was he mentally ill?

Example #2, aka the Jack Bower example: There's a nuclear bomb loose in Los Angeles and we've captured one of the terrorists who knows where it is. We have 24 hours to identify its location before several million people get vaporized. If there is solid (not cicumstantial) proof that the person knows where the bomb is and that person refuses to speak, I again wouldn't be averse to using torture to extract that information.

--Solid information? Then where the hell is the bomb?? Go back through the chain. If someone soley had that information then they aint gonna tell and chances are they have a cyanide tooth.

*Any more EXCUSES for torture?
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  -Is the use of torture ever ok? SemiCharmedQuark  Nov-22-05 04:40 PM   #0 
  - It is never 'ok' to do harm to anyone  Chicago Democrat   Nov-22-05 04:41 PM   #1 
  - NO  undergroundpanther   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #2 
  - But capital punishment isn't quick.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 04:47 PM   #6 
     - And, even then, it gets it wrong  OldLeftieLawyer   Nov-22-05 04:52 PM   #15 
  - In the cases of people like Bush, Cheney...  reichstag911   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #3 
  - no no NO NO NO!!! It is ILLEGAL and INEFFECTIVE and BARBARIC!  Just Me   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #4 
  - Only on Republicans. For kicks.  warrens   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #5 
  - I read your whole post but I can't get past that thread title.  DemItAllAnyway   Nov-22-05 04:48 PM   #7 
  - I do.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 04:49 PM   #11 
     - You want to talk about the death penalty, talk about the death penalty.  DemItAllAnyway   Nov-22-05 05:07 PM   #21 
     - Why? Many countries in the west view the death penalty as torture  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 05:11 PM   #27 
     - There is no logical basis for the death penalty. Revenge is the only,...  Just Me   Nov-22-05 05:57 PM   #35 
     - Not revenge  undergroundpanther   Nov-22-05 05:11 PM   #26 
        - If death is merciful, why isn't it carried out in a back room, in private.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 05:12 PM   #28 
           - I don't know  undergroundpanther   Nov-23-05 01:43 AM   #39 
  - Except in the case of Scott Stapp from Creed, no. Absolutely not  Taverner   Nov-22-05 04:48 PM   #8 
  - AHAHAHA  darkmaestro019   Nov-22-05 05:00 PM   #19 
  - if i were being tortured i'd probably admit i was the 3rd gunman on the  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-22-05 04:48 PM   #9 
  - So would I - and I would admit that George HW Bush  Coastie for Truth   Nov-22-05 04:50 PM   #13 
  - It's worthless information. Why even do it, even if it werent mean  In_Transit   Nov-22-05 04:49 PM   #10 
  - Operatives are given fake information to reveal under torture...  IanDB1   Nov-22-05 04:57 PM   #17 
  - Only when investigating whether senior officials authorized torture  IanDB1   Nov-22-05 04:50 PM   #12 
  - No. Why would it be okay?  0rganism   Nov-22-05 04:51 PM   #14 
  - One case  Coastie for Truth   Nov-22-05 04:52 PM   #16 
  - the reality is complicated  sui generis   Nov-22-05 04:59 PM   #18 
  - Su Generis  undergroundpanther   Nov-22-05 05:21 PM   #30 
  - No, Torture is NEVER justified!  MarianJack   Nov-22-05 05:04 PM   #20 
  - Between consenting adults for pleasure. Though amusingly enough  darkmaestro019   Nov-22-05 05:09 PM   #22 
  - not in civilized nations . . . but whoever said we were civilized? . . n/t  OneBlueSky   Nov-22-05 05:09 PM   #23 
  - No  libodem   Nov-22-05 05:09 PM   #24 
  - It's never OK, and here is why  Warpy   Nov-22-05 05:11 PM   #25 
  - Are you talking Milgram?  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 05:15 PM   #29 
  - Only if used against officials of the current administration.  Rageneau   Nov-22-05 05:24 PM   #31 
  - There is, I think, only one situation where it's appropriate.  Xithras   Nov-22-05 05:26 PM   #32 
  - In both cases, the men will simply lie  Warpy   Nov-22-05 05:36 PM   #33 
  - But in that case, what would it hurt?  Xithras   Nov-22-05 05:40 PM   #34 
     - Your soul, two human beings and the human environment. nt  Just Me   Nov-22-05 06:01 PM   #36 
  - Examples=excuses.  sproutster   Nov-22-05 07:04 PM   #37 
     - I did say as a last resort.  Xithras   Nov-22-05 08:19 PM   #38 
  - If I did advocate torture...  dchill   Nov-23-05 01:51 AM   #40 
  - Torture is never acceptable...  Peter Frank   Nov-23-05 01:58 AM   #41 
  - So we have sunk this low???  U4ikLefty   Nov-23-05 02:05 AM   #42 
  - I think you misunderstood me.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-23-05 07:58 AM   #43 
  - is never OK IMHO!  newyawker99   Nov-23-05 09:17 AM   #44 

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