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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:46 PM
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2. NO
Torture is NEVER ok.
Killing can be ok.Killing quickly is not torture.

The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) Economist and Philosopher

A torturer harms people that's all a torutuer exists to do.I think it is in your right to destroy him if you cannot stop his harming..

Was there ever any domination that did not appear natural to those who possessed it?]John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) Economist and Philosopher
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  -Is the use of torture ever ok? SemiCharmedQuark  Nov-22-05 04:40 PM   #0 
  - It is never 'ok' to do harm to anyone  Chicago Democrat   Nov-22-05 04:41 PM   #1 
  - NO  undergroundpanther   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #2 
  - But capital punishment isn't quick.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 04:47 PM   #6 
     - And, even then, it gets it wrong  OldLeftieLawyer   Nov-22-05 04:52 PM   #15 
  - In the cases of people like Bush, Cheney...  reichstag911   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #3 
  - no no NO NO NO!!! It is ILLEGAL and INEFFECTIVE and BARBARIC!  Just Me   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #4 
  - Only on Republicans. For kicks.  warrens   Nov-22-05 04:46 PM   #5 
  - I read your whole post but I can't get past that thread title.  DemItAllAnyway   Nov-22-05 04:48 PM   #7 
  - I do.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 04:49 PM   #11 
     - You want to talk about the death penalty, talk about the death penalty.  DemItAllAnyway   Nov-22-05 05:07 PM   #21 
     - Why? Many countries in the west view the death penalty as torture  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 05:11 PM   #27 
     - There is no logical basis for the death penalty. Revenge is the only,...  Just Me   Nov-22-05 05:57 PM   #35 
     - Not revenge  undergroundpanther   Nov-22-05 05:11 PM   #26 
        - If death is merciful, why isn't it carried out in a back room, in private.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 05:12 PM   #28 
           - I don't know  undergroundpanther   Nov-23-05 01:43 AM   #39 
  - Except in the case of Scott Stapp from Creed, no. Absolutely not  Taverner   Nov-22-05 04:48 PM   #8 
  - AHAHAHA  darkmaestro019   Nov-22-05 05:00 PM   #19 
  - if i were being tortured i'd probably admit i was the 3rd gunman on the  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-22-05 04:48 PM   #9 
  - So would I - and I would admit that George HW Bush  Coastie for Truth   Nov-22-05 04:50 PM   #13 
  - It's worthless information. Why even do it, even if it werent mean  In_Transit   Nov-22-05 04:49 PM   #10 
  - Operatives are given fake information to reveal under torture...  IanDB1   Nov-22-05 04:57 PM   #17 
  - Only when investigating whether senior officials authorized torture  IanDB1   Nov-22-05 04:50 PM   #12 
  - No. Why would it be okay?  0rganism   Nov-22-05 04:51 PM   #14 
  - One case  Coastie for Truth   Nov-22-05 04:52 PM   #16 
  - the reality is complicated  sui generis   Nov-22-05 04:59 PM   #18 
  - Su Generis  undergroundpanther   Nov-22-05 05:21 PM   #30 
  - No, Torture is NEVER justified!  MarianJack   Nov-22-05 05:04 PM   #20 
  - Between consenting adults for pleasure. Though amusingly enough  darkmaestro019   Nov-22-05 05:09 PM   #22 
  - not in civilized nations . . . but whoever said we were civilized? . . n/t  OneBlueSky   Nov-22-05 05:09 PM   #23 
  - No  libodem   Nov-22-05 05:09 PM   #24 
  - It's never OK, and here is why  Warpy   Nov-22-05 05:11 PM   #25 
  - Are you talking Milgram?  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-22-05 05:15 PM   #29 
  - Only if used against officials of the current administration.  Rageneau   Nov-22-05 05:24 PM   #31 
  - There is, I think, only one situation where it's appropriate.  Xithras   Nov-22-05 05:26 PM   #32 
  - In both cases, the men will simply lie  Warpy   Nov-22-05 05:36 PM   #33 
  - But in that case, what would it hurt?  Xithras   Nov-22-05 05:40 PM   #34 
     - Your soul, two human beings and the human environment. nt  Just Me   Nov-22-05 06:01 PM   #36 
  - Examples=excuses.  sproutster   Nov-22-05 07:04 PM   #37 
     - I did say as a last resort.  Xithras   Nov-22-05 08:19 PM   #38 
  - If I did advocate torture...  dchill   Nov-23-05 01:51 AM   #40 
  - Torture is never acceptable...  Peter Frank   Nov-23-05 01:58 AM   #41 
  - So we have sunk this low???  U4ikLefty   Nov-23-05 02:05 AM   #42 
  - I think you misunderstood me.  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-23-05 07:58 AM   #43 
  - is never OK IMHO!  newyawker99   Nov-23-05 09:17 AM   #44 

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